I apologize for always being so reluctant to speak up on controversial subjects. I'm just shy like that.
The Catholics and my conclusion
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I apologize for always being so reluctant to speak up on controversial subjects. I'm just shy like that.
Speaking of pagan practices and rituals, here is an interesting video on the origin of the Roman Catholic church.
[video=youtube;ZD_PCnRulrc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_PCnRulrc[/video]
Following Mary is Idolatry which will keep the Catholics from entering into Heaven. No Catholic who prays the Hail Mary will ever enter into Heaven. No Catholic who prays the Rosary will ever enter into Heaven. No Catholic who bows down to a statue of Mary will ever enter into Heaven.
You Catholics need to understand you cannot enter into Heaven until you reject Mary and follow God only.
You Catholics need to understand you cannot enter into Heaven until you reject Mary and follow God only.
Any one who quotes Fulton J Sheen should at least give him credit for being one of the most apostate teachers of our time.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
This morning a woman called my office needing words of comfort before going to her husband's funeral service that was taking place in a Catholic church. Along with sharing God's love for her and her husband, I reminded her that no institution is perfect, and one fault of the Catholic church is its severe lack of sharing God's grace.
Its not about works, tithing, purgatory, Mary or anything else; its all about Jesus. Everything we need for salvation has been made complete by Jesus on the Cross and at the Empty Tomb. She rejoiced learning that her husband is already in the Kingdom and will be forever. Too bad the Catholic church taught her otherwise, but glory be to God, His Truth prevailed this morning!
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Have you ever gone to a Catholic funeral? I'm guessing you haven't. It's the one time when the gospel is preached. They take great care in letting the loved ones know what happens now to that dead person. They're assuming they're telling everyone that the loved one is with God now, but they're not. They're really preaching why the person isn't most of the time.
I heard that at my mother's funeral. As mentioned I was two weeks shy of my 16th birthday, when God gave me new life. It was three months later for Mom's funeral. I heard the gospel message. Anyone God will call will who goes to one here's the message loud and clear. "Your works aren't enough, and therefore there is Christ."
They smack you with it at death, and yet funerals aren't really for the dead. They're for the living to hear.
Don't bemoan someone going to a Catholic funeral. It is a good time to hear the word of God. His truth prevails every where, even to those who don't plan it.
And yet is is the Islamics who are killing people for their beliefs. Unless you know of some group under the Christian moniker who still burn people at the stake and what not. I am not aware of any. Care to share what you know and enlighten us further?
I've been to far too many of them. Always with a mass for the dead. Smoke from the censor to bless the casket. Always with the hope and only hope for the deceased. Never any certainty of the eternal state of the departed.
I will take a hundred born again Christian funerals to one Catholic funeral. I can rejoice in sadness knowing that the departed one is in the presence of the Lord who shed His blood to redeem the precious soul of the body in the casket.
I have seen dear old saints go through terrible suffering in the flesh with a sure and certain hope in Christ of eternal life. I've seen them pray for the ones they were about to leave behind taking no care of their immediate suffering but sincere prayer for those remaining behind.
The sinner begs for one more breath while the saint beckons for Christ to come and to do so quickly.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Nice dodge, Willie. Could you answer the question please? Do you know of some group under the Christian moniker who still burn people at the stake and what not? Since it was your contention that many Christians still believe as the Catholics did ages ago, in terms of coercion and justifying "great violence" against error. Where are these great numbers of people to whom you refer?
How many violent actions against other nations (that never attacked us or even posed a real threat) in just the past few decades have we good Christians of America been well pleased to support? Right this moment, you yourself.... would you not be in favor of the USA "taking care of" the ISIS situation, once and for all? Hell, so would I. But, if we are truly honest, we would have to say that is Mohammad's teaching, and not Jesus'.
"No", I don't have the answer (all I understand is violence for violence... like most of us) , but then, I would never have dreamed up "the cross", either. Though we claim to (and probably honestly WANT to) follow Jesus, we usually end up doing just the opposite of what He would do.
Good point, Magneta. Pontificating is easy. Research is hard. Documentation is not required in here. Gouging peoples eyes out is much more fun.
Yes, the inquisition and crusades are well documented in history. I was wondering what evidence there is for Christians behaving the same way now as then. I have seen no evidence presented to back the claim made.
A careful reading of the Edict of Milan debunks a good portion of this video. Catholicism has pagan roots? That's rather absurd.
If few Fundamentalists know the history of their religion—which distressingly few do—even fewer have an appreciation of the history of the Catholic Church. They become easy prey for purveyors of fanciful "histories" that claim to account for the origin and advance of Catholicism.
Anti-Catholics often suggest that Catholicism did not exist prior to the Edict of Milan, which was issued in 313 AD and made Christianity legal in the Roman Empire. With this, pagan influences began to contaminate the previously untainted Christian Church. In no time, various inventions adopted from paganism began to replace the gospel that had been once for all delivered to the saints. At least, that is the theory.
Pagan Influence Fallacy
Opponents of the Church often attempt to discredit Catholicism by attempting to show similarities between it and the beliefs or practices of ancient paganism. This fallacy is frequently committed by Fundamentalists against Catholics, by Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, and others against both Protestants and Catholics, and by atheists and skeptics against both Christians and Jews.
The nineteenth century witnessed a flowering of this "pagan influence fallacy." Publications such as The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop (the classic English text charging the Catholic Church with paganism) paved the way for generations of antagonism towards the Church. During this time, entire new sects were created (Seventh-day Adventists, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses)—all considering traditional Catholicism and Protestantism as polluted by paganism. This era also saw atheistic "freethinkers" such as Robert Ingersoll writing books attacking Christianity and Judaism as pagan.
The pagan influence fallacy has not gone away in the twentieth century, but newer archaeology and more mature scholarship have diminished its influence. Yet there are still many committing it. In Protestant circles, numerous works have continued to popularize the claims of Alexander Hislop, most notably the comic books of Jack Chick and the book Babylon Mystery Religion by the young Ralph Woodrow (later Woodrow realized its flaws and wrote The Babylon Connection? repudiating it and refuting Hislop). Other Christian and quasi-Christian sects have continued to charge mainstream Christianity with paganism, and many atheists have continued to repeat—unquestioned—the charges of paganism leveled by their forebears.
Anything can be attacked using fallacy
The pagan influence fallacy is committed when one charges that a particular religion, belief, or practice is of pagan origin or has been influenced by paganism and is therefore false, wrong, tainted, or to be repudiated. In this minimal form, the pagan influence fallacy is a subcase of the genetic fallacy, which improperly judges a thing based on its history or origins rather than on its own merits (e.g., "No one should use this medicine because it was invented by a drunkard and adulterer").
Very frequently, the pagan influence fallacy is committed in connection with other fallacies, most notably the post hoc ergo proper hoc ("After this, therefore because of this") fallacy—e.g., "Some ancient pagans did or believed something millennia ago, therefore any parallel Christian practices and beliefs must be derived from that source." Frequently, a variant on this fallacy is committed in which, as soon as a parallel with something pagan is noted, it is assumed that the pagan counterpart is the more ancient. This variant might be called the similis hoc ergo propter hoc ("Similar to this, therefore because of this") fallacy.
When the pagan influence fallacy is encountered, it should be pointed out that it is, in fact, a fallacy. To help make this clear to a religious person committing it, it may be helpful to illustrate with cases where the pagan influence fallacy could be committed against his own position (e.g., the practice of circumcision was practiced in the ancient world by a number of peoples—including the Egyptians—but few Jews or Christians would say that its divinely authorized use in Israel was an example of "pagan corruption").
To help a secular person see the fallacy involved, one might point to a parallel case of the genetic fallacy involving those of his perspective (e.g., "Nobody should accept this particular scientific theory because it was developed by an atheist").
Whenever one encounters a proposed example of pagan influence, one should demand that its existence be properly documented, not just asserted. The danger of accepting an inaccurate claim is too great. The amount of misinformation in this area is great enough that it is advisable never to accept a reported parallel as true unless it can be demonstrated from primary source documents or through reliable, scholarly secondary sources. After receiving documentation supporting the claim of a pagan parallel, one should ask a number of questions: read more here
Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Not everyone in the USA who says they are a Christian is a Christian.
Just because a person supports a war does NOT mean that person is a True Christian! We have many people who run the USA but are NOT True Christians!
[SUP]21 [/SUP] “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Not everyone in the USA who says they are a Christian is a Christian.
Just because a person supports a war does NOT mean that person is a True Christian! We have many people who run the USA but are NOT True Christians!
I don't know. I've yet to see a Catholic video or web misrepresenting, lying, and re-writing history for the sole purpose of bashing a non-Catholic faith. Videos like the one above are not based in reality, just hate propaganda. No real historian would sanction such idiocy without damaging their reputation.
When you say the inquisition and crusades are well documented in history , that could mean anything. What was popular has been de-myth-ified by modern scholarship.
The Real History of the Crusades
A series of holy wars against Islam led by power-mad popes and fought by religious fanatics? Think again.
[h=1]The Truth about the Spanish Inquisition
Non of these sources are Catholic[/h]