Replacement/Supersessionism Theology,Why it Matters

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Gal 3 is not speaking of Gods promise to abraham concerning a plot of land in the middle east. Gal 3 is concerning Gods promise to anraham concerning the fact that All the nations of the world will be blessed through your seed.

You have the promises messed up.
You can't break up the promises like the law keepers break up the law. All of the promises were to Abraham and Christ.
 
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That began at Pentecost and will continue until the lord has gathered everybody. Remember, the temple has to be built before anything else.
No it did not. because the complete dispersion of the southern kingdom never occurred until 70 AD How could the regathering start to take place at pentecost. When the complete dispersion was never fulfilled until 70 AD??

Again, I am not sure who tought you this stuff. But it does not make any sense.
 

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correct If he was speaking of Saved Spiritual isreal. he would never speak of saved jew and save gentile. for he would say they were all saved spiritual isreal.


They are not all Israel who are Israel (9.6). Thus in Paul's mind all through are TWO Israels. In ch 11 the Jews are not mentioned (you need to study a little more carefully and not be so careless).

'hardening in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles (a necessary part of Israel) has come in, and then ALL Israel (including those Gentiles proselytes) will be saved'.

Here is a description of the progress of the Gospel. Part of Israel is cut off through unbelief, believing Israel is the true Israel, believing Gentiles are part of the true Israel by amalgamation.

As he then says 'the election are the ones who are beloved for the fathers' sakes'.


1. There is still a remnant
True believing Israel which is the true Israel.

2. Gentiles are now grafted in (as a people)
Why do you people feel you have a right to put words into scripture. Believing Gentiles are not 'a people' they are individual Gentiles who become a part of Israel by proselytization.

3. Gentiles will be grafted in only until their time is fulfilled

LOL I love it. Where does it say that in Rom 11? What it says is that the fullness of the Gentiles (God's elect among the Gentiles) will come in, becoming part of Israel.


4. during this time, Israel will be blinded in part (there will always be a remnant)
True

5. At the fulfillment of this time, Israel will repent,
Where does it say that? You are just inventing it.

Receive her true messiah (Jesus) and be saved. (the partial hardening will be lifted. and all Israel will be saved)
That is to totally misunderstand what Paul is saying. It would be unique in the history of the world for ALL of an unbelieving people to be saved. God does not work that way. You live in cloud cuckoo land.

Why should God castigate the Jews for 3000 year and then suddenly choose ONE GENERATION to be saved? Anyone can see it is nonsense.

If God has no more plans for the nation of Israel. there is no need period of a remnant being kept. For God can just let the nation fade away into oblivion like he did all nations who have come and gone before and after her.
LOL who were the remnant? They were the Jews who had believed in the Messiah who continued as the true Israel, supplemented by Gentile proselytes. They had to be kept or there would have been no people of God. Your logic is sadly astray
 
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Gal 3 is not speaking of Gods promise to abraham concerning a plot of land in the middle east. Gal 3 is concerning Gods promise to anraham concerning the fact that All the nations of the world will be blessed through your seed.

You have the promises messed up.
Ok, where in the bible did God promise a plot of land to Israel in the middle east?
 
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I wonder what the mixed multitude would have answered you that moved out of Egypt with Israel :)

Exodus 12:38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle

Maybe they also covered their ears and eyes the day Moses gave Israel the law... :p

No, They had to do special things to be part of the promise.. The law of moses directed what they as gentiles had to do to be recieved
and share in the promises


still were not salvic in nature Jonah helped a whole gentile nation to repent and get saved, yet they did not leave their nation and all go to Israel to be a part of that promise.
 
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Christ came from the bloodline of Mary not Joseph.

actually both bloodlines are given.

Jesus had no father so of course.

But read the OT. what bloodline ever came from a female?
 
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So all natural isreal (concerning the promises of Romans 11 ) is Isreal (who will one day be saved when they repent)[/B][/COLOR]
Wishful thinking. You can't show me a single scriptural example where anything other than a remnant has been saved (from whatever).
 
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Why weren't they part of those promises?
because God said, Only through Issac and Jacob.

If A gentile wanted to participate, they had to do certain things, they were not natural citizens..thus were not naturally part of the promise
 
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No it did not. because the complete dispersion of the southern kingdom never occurred until 70 AD How could the regathering start to take place at pentecost. When the complete dispersion was never fulfilled until 70 AD??

Again, I am not sure who tought you this stuff. But it does not make any sense.
Of course it doesn't make sense when you look at things carnally. The holy nation that was born in a day began at Pentecost, and was comprised of both Judah and Israel.

You're like a law keeper who can only see the letters of the law.
 

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Yes, But they were not saved by being made jews were they?

remember, bloodlines in the OT days came from male not female.
There were no Jews in those days. They certainly became Israelites by proselytization. Thus they WERE Israelites.

There are few ethnic Jews today. Very few (if any) can trace their genealogies back. If you think that everyone who is in Israel today who claims to be a Jew is one ethnically you are sadly mistaken. They are Jews by assimilation, not by bloodline. Indeed I suspect that most of us have Jewish blood in our veins. Jews were scattered widely around the world and many did not remain in ghettoes. So if we use your definition almost the whole western world will be saved.
 
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No, They had to do special things to be part of the promise.. The law of moses directed what they as gentiles had to do to be recieved
and share in the promises


still were not salvic in nature Jonah helped a whole gentile nation to repent and get saved, yet they did not leave their nation and all go to Israel to be a part of that promise.
And I am not moving to Israel because I believe I am part of the spiritual Israel :)

What special things? Be covered by the blood of the lamb on their doorposts? Listen to God's word? (maybe they were modern Christians without Jesus??? :p).

They were part of Israel because they accepted God as their God. Yes they would have had to circumcise etc but they were part of Israel. The Bible do not distinguish between Israel and the moving multitude. They became part of Israel as we do when we accept their/our God YHWH Elohim. Does this make me a Jew? NO but I am part of Israel :)
 
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so you never read gen 15 and 17?
I have, those are the promises made to Abraham and his seed Christ. Of which Isaac and Jacob inherited because they had faith in God... the were actually Christians way back then.
 

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Can somebody please answer me this; was the ten commandment only given to Israel?
Strictly speaking the answer is yes. It was an essential part of God's covenant with Israel.

However they later became an essential part of moral thinking.
 
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Wishful thinking. You can't show me a single scriptural example where anything other than a remnant has been saved (from whatever).

well of course not. Paul spoke in future tense.

Again, Your thinking is off.. Wishful thinking nothing, What do I care if All israel is saved, it has no bering on my salvation.

God said it, I believe it, Thats it!
 

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No because jesus said Israel is our enemy concerning the gospel. but beloved because of Gods promises.. So all natural isreal (concerning the promises of Romans 11 ) is Isreal (who will one day be saved when they repent)
As so often you misuse Scripture. Paul clearly says that it is the election (the remnant) who are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
 
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Strictly speaking the answer is yes. It was an essential part of God's covenant with Israel.

However they later became an essential part of moral thinking.
I wonder what the mixed multitude would have answered you that moved out of Egypt with Israel :)

Exodus 12:38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle

Maybe they also covered their ears and eyes the day Moses gave Israel the law... :p
This is why I asked. Thank you :)
 

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well of course not. Paul spoke in future tense.

Again, Your thinking is off.. Wishful thinking nothing, What do I care if All israel is saved, it has no bering on my salvation.

God said it, I believe it, Thats it!
LOL you mean that YOU say that God said it, so what you believe is what you say, not what God actually said, which was that 'all Israel' (the election) would be saved as a consequence of the fullness of the Gentiles being gathered in..