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No it was not to Christ. Where do you get this stuff from?
Christ will be given the whole earth, what need of he of some plot of land? He did not even recieve it while he was on earth, it belonged to rome and the gentiles and that is true even today!
Stop usin gthis argument, it is not supported by scripture and will not convince me..
Christ will be given the whole earth, what need of he of some plot of land? He did not even recieve it while he was on earth, it belonged to rome and the gentiles and that is true even today!
Stop usin gthis argument, it is not supported by scripture and will not convince me..
Strange. The New Testament interprets the promises of the land to Abraham as follows:
'he looked for a city which has foundations whose builder and maker is God -- and if they had been mindful of that country from which they went out, they would have had the opportunity to return, but now they desire a better one, that is, a heavenly'.
They clearly did not see the promises as limited to a piece of land in the Middle East. Modern unbelieving Israel has found a piece of land in the Middle East. Believing Israel seek a heavenly country.
'he looked for a city which has foundations whose builder and maker is God -- and if they had been mindful of that country from which they went out, they would have had the opportunity to return, but now they desire a better one, that is, a heavenly'.
They clearly did not see the promises as limited to a piece of land in the Middle East. Modern unbelieving Israel has found a piece of land in the Middle East. Believing Israel seek a heavenly country.
Really? Seriously?
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants,
and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
In Acts 7:38 we learn that the congregation of Israel was called the church
in the wilderness, in the days of Moses.
The word translated congregation in the Old Testament is ekklesia in the Septuagint
the same identical Greek word that is always translated church in the New Testament.
Israel was both church and state. for years ruled by a system of judges,
over fifties, hundreds, thousands, God being there King, then they rejected him.
For thou art [an holy people] unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee
to be [a peculiar people] unto himself, [above all the nations] that are upon the earth.
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall
be [a peculiar treasure] unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
And the Lord hath avouched thee this day to be [his peculiar people], as he hath
promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments;
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers
were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of
that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
38This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in
the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
He clave the rocks in the wilderness, and gave them drink as out of the great depths.
52But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness
like a flock. And he led them on safely, so that they feared not: but the sea overwhelmed
their enemies. And he brought them to the border of his sanctuary, even to this mountain,
which his right hand had purchased.
now us
But ye are [a chosen generation], a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people;
that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness
into his marvellous light:
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity,
and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants,
and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
in the wilderness, in the days of Moses.
The word translated congregation in the Old Testament is ekklesia in the Septuagint
the same identical Greek word that is always translated church in the New Testament.
Israel was both church and state. for years ruled by a system of judges,
over fifties, hundreds, thousands, God being there King, then they rejected him.
For thou art [an holy people] unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee
to be [a peculiar people] unto himself, [above all the nations] that are upon the earth.
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall
be [a peculiar treasure] unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
And the Lord hath avouched thee this day to be [his peculiar people], as he hath
promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments;
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers
were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of
that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
38This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in
the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
He clave the rocks in the wilderness, and gave them drink as out of the great depths.
52But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness
like a flock. And he led them on safely, so that they feared not: but the sea overwhelmed
their enemies. And he brought them to the border of his sanctuary, even to this mountain,
which his right hand had purchased.
now us
But ye are [a chosen generation], a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people;
that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness
into his marvellous light:
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity,
and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
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And I am not moving to Israel because I believe I am part of the spiritual Israel 
well I am part of Christ. But will not move to israel either, it was never given to me or my family, I live in the nation God gave e and my family already
What special things? Be covered by the blood of the lamb on their doorposts? Listen to God's word? (maybe they were modern Christians without Jesus??? ).
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They were part of Israel because they accepted God as their God. Yes they would have had to circumcise etc but they were part of Israel. The Bible do not distinguish between Israel and the moving multitude. They became part of Israel as we do when we accept their/our God YHWH Elohim. Does this make me a Jew? NO but I am part of Israel
Well be a art of Israel. I have no desire to. I will be a gentile Christian and proud of it
Romans 11:26-27 is so misused. It describes the manner of salvation, not the quantity.
In other words, all will be saved in the same manner: by the new covenant removal of their sins, as it is written in Isaiah 59:20-21, 27:9.
And all Israel will be saved in the manner it is written,
And
"The deliverer will come out of Zion, and the rescuer will turn away ungodliness from Jacob" (Isaiah 59:20)
And
"this is my covenant to them, when I take away their sins" (Isaiah 59:21, 27:9)
In other words, all will be saved in the same manner: by the new covenant removal of their sins, as it is written in Isaiah 59:20-21, 27:9.
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Thats just states Abraham felt eternity was more important than a plot of land in the middle east, it was written to jews who thought otherwise because they believed they had an automatic in..
it never states Abraham and his new nation was not promised land forever.
forever is the term you all seem to ignore.. Forever is forever. Not ending,, if it is not forever God lied. My god does not lie, Maybe yours does?
it never states Abraham and his new nation was not promised land forever.
forever is the term you all seem to ignore.. Forever is forever. Not ending,, if it is not forever God lied. My god does not lie, Maybe yours does?
GOD's first promise of the land of Canaan to the messiah was in Shechem.
And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, I will give this land to your seed : and there he built an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him. Genesis 12:7
We know this refers to Christ because Paul said the promises (not just a promise) were made to Abraham and Christ.
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, who is Christ. Galatians 3:16
This is confirmed by the fact that when GOD later made a blood covenant with Abram to give him the assurance that he would receive the land, GOD said he would give the land, not to Abram, but to his seed.
Abram knew this referred to the messiah. A covenant to give the land to Abram's descendents would have provided him with absolutely no assurance, because he could never receive anything from those who would die like he would. But Abram's faith in the messiah assured him that he would receive the land with the messiah in the resurrection.
And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, I will give this land to your seed : and there he built an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him. Genesis 12:7
We know this refers to Christ because Paul said the promises (not just a promise) were made to Abraham and Christ.
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, who is Christ. Galatians 3:16
This is confirmed by the fact that when GOD later made a blood covenant with Abram to give him the assurance that he would receive the land, GOD said he would give the land, not to Abram, but to his seed.
And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it. And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it? Genesis 15:7-8
In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Genesis 15:18
In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Genesis 15:18
Abram knew this referred to the messiah. A covenant to give the land to Abram's descendents would have provided him with absolutely no assurance, because he could never receive anything from those who would die like he would. But Abram's faith in the messiah assured him that he would receive the land with the messiah in the resurrection.
If you learned to understand Scripture instead of fitting it into your pretrib tightcoat you would know that in Rom 9-11 Paul deals with two Israels, rejected Israel and the election of Israel. The election of Israel will be saved along with the 'fullness of the Gentiles'. Together they form the 'all Israel' which will be saved. Without the fullness of the Gentiles 'all Israel' could not be saved.