Biblical Errors - Why Haven't They Been Fixed?

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Thank you everyone for your contributions, I'm encouraged by your conversations. Pilgrim, you're right in saying the Word of God contains no errors, but the copies we have do. There's a difference. I should've been more particular. No thank you to the KJV-Onlyists though. You guys need to get a clue. Your nonsense isn't welcome here. Find freedom in Christ, not the KJV-Only.
I never saw you point out an error in the KJV.
 
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I never saw you point out an error in the KJV.
Just because Tintin has not pointed out an error in the KJV, does not mean a translation error has not occurred there. The KJV is not infallible, the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts are. God bless. :)
 

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Thank you everyone for your contributions, I'm encouraged by your conversations. Pilgrim, you're right in saying the Word of God contains no errors, but the copies we have do. There's a difference. I should've been more particular. No thank you to the KJV-Onlyists though. You guys need to get a clue. Your nonsense isn't welcome here. Find freedom in Christ, not the KJV-Only.
you say the word of God "contains" no errors, that's present tense. then you say "but the copies we have do." What you have just implied is that the original scriptures exist. But you know that the original scriptures don't exist anymore. If the originals don't exist then you can't say that the word of God "contains" no errors. You need to refer to the word of God in the past tense. The word of God "containED" no errors, but according to you all the copies we have NOW do contain errors so therefore according to you the Bible once didn't contains errors but now it does. You original autographs onlyists need to learn to see your double think.
 
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you say the word of God "contains" no errors, that's present tense. then you say "but the copies we have do." What you have just implied is that the original scriptures exist. But you know that the original scriptures don't exist anymore. If the originals don't exist then you can't say that the word of God "contains" no errors. You need to refer to the word of God in the past tense. The word of God "containED" no errors, but according to you all the copies we have NOW do contain errors so therefore according to you the Bible once didn't contains errors but now it does. You original autographs onlyists need to learn to see your double think.
Copies of the originals! Copies. Copies. Copies. Copies.
 

Andrew1

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Copies of the originals! Copies. Copies. Copies. Copies.
See you still can't see it. The only scriptures you believe "ARE" inerrant are scriptures that "AREN'T", The original autographs. Everything that is called scripture or the Bible that exists TODAY you think has errors. therefore you don' think the Bible "IS" inerrant, you think the Bible "WAS" inerrant.
 

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While the KJV is my favorite translation I would suggest we have to remember it is a translation and that we need to consult the original languages (not original manuscripts) in order to verify what has been translated.

Here is what I view as a translational error:

Romans 8:16King James Version (KJV)

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

"Itself" should be translated "Himself."

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G846&t=KJV

But this does not reflect on the Inspiration of Scripture, any more than a poorly delivered sermon does.
God bless.


The reason it is Itself is because the Holy Ghost is the Spirit and the Word that became one. [See 1 John 5:7]

 

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See you still can't see it. The only scriptures you believe "ARE" inerrant are scriptures that "AREN'T", The original autographs. Everything that is called scripture or the Bible that exists TODAY you think has errors. therefore you don' think the Bible "IS" inerrant, you think the Bible "WAS" inerrant.
Andrew, translational errors exist and have always existed because translation is the work of men. This is a simple fact of life.
 
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Andrew, translational errors exist and have always existed because translation is the work of men. This is a simple fact of life.
Where is a translational error in the KJV?
 
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The KJV is replete with errors in verb translation.
Do you have an example... I'm serious, I've never seen a proven error in the KJV and if errors do exists I would like to know so I wont defend it as inerrant.
 

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I will try to do this a little later this morning I am a little busy at the moment. Just remember, there is no such thing as a perfect translation, in any language. The autographs were inspired but translation is merely a copy of an inspired work. Since translations are the work of man they are inherently fallible. Translators are not inspired men.
 
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I will try to do this a little later this morning I am a little busy at the moment. Just remember, there is no such thing as a perfect translation, in any language. The autographs were inspired but translation is merely a copy of an inspired work. Since translations are the work of man they are inherently fallible. Translators are not inspired men.
No problem, I'm off to work now any way.
 

HeraldtheNews

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Maybe consider another way of looking at this... Errors are relative to who is defining errors. There are apparent contradictions in the Bible such as little things like the names of the Apostles, or numbers of groups of people, or which Mary was the one at Jesus' feet, or were there more than one instances of women anointing the head of Jesus, or His feet. These are like minor variables-- they are not errors in that these differences are placed there by God for many different reasons. One might be to provide stumbling blocks for people who are looking for stumbling blocks, so that they find what they are looking for. One example is where Jesus says to the rich man-- "Why callest thou me good? There is no one good, except God." Some people twist this to mean that Jesus is saying that He is not God. On the contrary; He said this for two reasons. One was to give an example for people to follow as the Son of Man-- always defer to God's righteousness, not our own. The other thing He is saying here is that by saying "there is no one good except God," He is saying in an indirect, humble way that He is the divine Son of God, because He is the only one who is truly good among all the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve. Why on earth would he say, "yes, I'm God," if He is trying to teach people the number one lesson we are supposed to learn in this life that we are servants of God and were never created to be, or ever could survive for long as our own gods. Nothing could be more beautiful and humble than God Himself appearing as a human being and directing being truly good onto His Father in Heaven, rather than Himself, even though He was and is the divine Son of God. This is how He taught through example. He said, "I have told you who I am through my works," to the people demanding that HE tell them who He is. "If you are the Messiah, then tell us plainly." He said, that no, His works declared it.

So, no, there are no errors in the Bible, regardless of the translation. Every word, and every translation is there exactly as God intended. He knows where every sparrow is and what they are doing, so He knows every word written in every Bible.
 
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The reason it is Itself is because the Holy Ghost is the Spirit and the Word that became one. [See 1 John 5:7]

Even if that were the case (and I don't see that as relevant) , that would still demand "Himself."

Not it's self.


God bless.
 
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P1LGR1M

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I would think that if the LORD created all the critters on the earth then he would know of their existence even it the weren't seen in that area. Isn't rabbit considered one of the critters to avoid eating...anyways.
It's a little difficult for us to know precise conditions in ancient times. We can't say because we have no evidence of something through research that we have all available data necessary to conclude dogmatically.

We can't know for sure what animals may have existed in the past, we can't even be sure about vegetation or its nutritional value. We can be sure, though, that there was an animal in view, lol.

That we cañ be dogmatic about.


God bless.
 

valiant

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you say the word of God "contains" no errors, that's present tense. then you say "but the copies we have do." What you have just implied is that the original scriptures exist. But you know that the original scriptures don't exist anymore. If the originals don't exist then you can't say that the word of God "contains" no errors. You need to refer to the word of God in the past tense. The word of God "containED" no errors, but according to you all the copies we have NOW do contain errors so therefore according to you the Bible once didn't contains errors but now it does. You original autographs onlyists need to learn to see your double think.
I think you are a little mixed up. The original word of God as given STILL contains no errors. We may not have a copy, but God has. The 'word of God' is the original word God gave not the mess we make of it.
 
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the fact is you do believe the Bible is fallible, you may not believe it is doctrinally fallible, but you do believe it has mistakes and is therefore fallible. There is no contradiction between 1Kings 4:26 and 2Chronicles 9:25 in the KJV.

1King 4:26 does not say how many chariots there were just how many stalls Solomon had of horses for his chariots. Solomon had 4000 stalls just for horses and chariots the rest of the stalls were for the rest of the horses he had for those chariots 40 thousand stalls in all.
I view this as a matter of concern which àrises from criticisms from those hostile to Scripture. I'm glad we have men equipped to deal with those critics. But it is good for us as individuals and as the Body to be able to deal with this issue, because this issue is meant to undermine the faith of the Believer in the Word of God.

So you make a great point.


God bless.
 

valiant

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Do you have an example... I'm serious, I've never seen a proven error in the KJV and if errors do exists I would like to know so I wont defend it as inerrant.
Try 1 Samuel 13.1 where the true text reads, 'Saul was one year old when he began to reign and he reigned two years over Israel.'

This indicates that he began to reign in the first stage of life (below 20), and reigned on into middle age (the second stage of life).

There were no recorders in Saul's day
 
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I think you are a little mixed up. The original word of God as given STILL contains no errors. We may not have a copy, but God has. The 'word of God' is the original word God gave not the mess we make of it.
That's not entirely accurate. Biblical Scholarship has recovered the Word of God to the point where not one core doctrinal issue, nor even secondary issues...can be called into question.

Those hostile to Scripture as Inspired muddle through non-doctrinal matters which do not impact the content or intent of the Word of God. The dead Sea Scrolls give testimony to God's divine intervention in the Transmission Process, and the Bible believing Student can place his/her faith in the Word.


God bless.
 
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Thank you everyone for your contributions, I'm encouraged by your conversations. Pilgrim, you're right in saying the Word of God contains no errors, but the copies we have do. There's a difference. I should've been more particular. No thank you to the KJV-Onlyists though. You guys need to get a clue. Your nonsense isn't welcome here. Find freedom in Christ, not the KJV-Only.
I don't usually recommend extra-biblical material but when we are dealing with an extra-biblical issue suçh as this the King James Only Controversy by James White is one exception. It is an easy read and will help explain the Transmission Process. It can help those who have come under assault by those who are hostile to the Word of God and help them understand how Bible Writers and Scribes were used, and why we can trust the Word of God despite man's involvement.

I recommend this book to every believer. Even KJV Onlyists, who, I will add, at the very least should be commended for their trust in God's Word. We should never let this issue divide us as brethren, but come together in reasonable discussion with the intent to edify the Body as a whole. If our brothers and sisters are strengthened, then we are strengthened, and our common enemy is weakened. That should be our ultima goal.


God bless.