U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

[blue_ladybug]

No blue...she demanded that others show compassion in the name of Christ...then she came on this thread and laughed at this lady for being jailed for her faith. I don't play that game. Now as far as how to win souls to Christ..if you don't think fear is biblical? Clearly your missing a large part of the bible...Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom... We are not just called to pray for people, we are called to tell them the truth.

But doesn't the bible also say that God wants us to come to him of our own free will? And not because we've had the fear of burning in hell put into us? Yes, we are called to tell them the truth, but it IS up to THEM whether they hear it and accept it or not.. and all the proclamations of "you're gonna burn" ain't gonna change that..

 

[jennymae]

No blue...she demanded that others show compassion in the name of Christ...then she came on this thread and laughed at this lady for being jailed for her faith. I don't play that game. Now as far as how to win souls to Christ..if you don't think fear is biblical? Clearly your missing a large part of the bible...Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom... We are not just called to pray for people, we are called to tell them the truth.

You may have good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and mind you, me saying this aint about you, it is about folks in general claiming to be defenders of the Faith saying all sorta stuff labelling others sinners.

Let me ask you one question, what is the Truth? Be it condamning people or showing people the way to the Lord in love?

 

[Mitspa]

But doesn't the bible also say that God wants us to come to him of our own free will? And not because we've had the fear of burning in hell put into us? Yes, we are called to tell them the truth, but it IS up to THEM whether they hear it and accept it or not.. and all the proclamations of "you're gonna burn" ain't gonna change that..

Blue you know the bible says lots of things and lots of folks seem to take the parts they like and ignore the rest..the fact is that fear is often needed and is Gods intention to turn people from their sins..the fact that I even have to defend that truth is really kind of sad to me.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Blue you know the bible says lots of things and lots of folks seem to take the parts they like and ignore the rest..the fact is that fear is often needed and is Gods intention to turn people from their sins..the fact that I even have to defend that truth is really kind of sad to me.

Yeah I know, but the part here about fear often being needed is somewhat perplexing to me, because if we are scared into going to God, then doesn't that directly affect our free will? I mean, he DID give it to us for a reason. If anything should turn us toward God, it should be love of Him, not fear..

 

[Mitspa]

You may have good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and mind you, me saying this aint about you, it is about folks in general claiming to be defenders of the Faith saying all sorta stuff labelling others sinners.

Let me ask you one question, what is the Truth? Be it condamning people or showing people the way to the Lord in love?

The bible is truth and it was written in love.. if parts of its truth, seems unneeded to you or not for the intention of love...I promise you the error is with you,.... not Gods Word.

2Ti 4:1 ¶ I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

 

[jennymae]

The bible is truth and it was written in love.. if parts of its truth, seems unneeded to you or not for the intention of love...I promise you the error is with you,.... not Gods Word.

2Ti 4:1 ¶ I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Of course the error is not with Gods word, but whether it be with me or you is a question you, nor me, cant answer.

 

[Mitspa]

Yeah I know, but the part here about fear often being needed is somewhat perplexing to me, because if we are scared into going to God, then doesn't that directly affect our free will? I mean, he DID give it to us for a reason. If anything should turn us toward God, it should be love of Him, not fear..

We fear the penalty of our sins...the judgment God has made against sin. We hear the good news that we can be saved from our sins...because we know we are sinners ... Its good news to those who know they are sinners...not to those who have been deceived into thinking sins ok or its no big deal. That's a lie of satan that many are teaching.

As as a believer going to God..knowing the truth of Christ and knowing in him we overcome our sins....we don't go to God to get our sexual lust approved ..we go to God to overcome our sins.

 

[Mitspa]

Of course the error is not with Gods word, but whether it be with me or you is a question you, nor me, cant answer.

Well I guess we both better answer to God and not worry about peoples opinions too much?

 

[crossnote]

No blue...she demanded that others show compassion in the name of Christ...then she came on this thread and laughed at this lady for being jailed for her faith. I don't play that game. Now as far as how to win souls to Christ..if you don't think fear is biblical? Clearly your missing a large part of the bible...Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom... We are not just called to pray for people, we are called to tell them the truth.

But should you punish the daughter for the 'sin' of the mother?

 

[Desdichado]

But should you punish the daughter for the 'sin' of the mother?

A mother leaves herself open to rebuke if she condones or defends the lifestyle and ideology of the daughter.

I have not followed the thread long enough to make a determination one way or another with this particular situation. That and family psychology/counseling was one of my least favorite courses in college (surprise, surprise).

Mitspa at least has a good big-picture view for what is at stake and he does not falsely equate mercy, justice, and tolerance with modern notions of "acceptance."

 

[Desdichado]

A mother leaves herself open to rebuke if she condones or defends the lifestyle and ideology of the daughter.

I have not followed the thread long enough to make a determination one way or another with this particular situation. That and family psychology/counseling was one of my least favorite courses in college (surprise, surprise).

Mitspa at least has a good big-picture view for what is at stake and he does not falsely equate mercy, justice, and tolerance with modern notions of "acceptance."

Oh wow. Read that the wrong way. Reading comprehension, Des.

I hold my opinion up then as dicta to borrow the phrase from the legal profession.

 

[Lis45]

Yea ...how horrible to believe and speak what the bible clearly teaches... I must confess Im guilty of believing and speaking the truth And that post just showed that you wanted compassion for your child from others...but you laughed and ridiculed this lady because she was arrested for her faith...yes im sure I see your heart..Im sure God sees your heart as well and one day all the laughing will turn to a sudden and terrible fear, but then it will be too late for some of you.

honestly, your'e still wanting to go at it??
I NEVER laughed at that lady for being arrested, NEVER. I do however understand why she was arrested, and do not see her as being a "hero"....I see her as a Christian who thought she was defending her faith by her actions. Unlike yourself, I would NEVER laugh at someone else's pain. And call it what you want. My son has been given to me BY GOD and FOR GOD. I placed that boy in God's hands when he was an infant...giving back to Him the precious gift that he had given to me...for HIS work...and HIS glory....so even now I HAVE to put my trust in HIM to do what HE WILLS. And my bible says HIS will is that ALL be saved, and NONE should perish....so I am praying according to HIS will and that's all I am asking from others. Guess what. Whether you care to believe it or not, we will be stuck together for eternity...for I have been saved by the GRACE of God through FAITH alone. So deal....and if you can't or won't pray GOD's will for my son, then please, just shut up.

Honestly, my prayer for you is to one day have a gay kid of your own. Oh, how God would use that to mold, form, and shape you...(yeah I know, this is my flesh speaking)

 

[Mitspa]

But should you punish the daughter for the 'sin' of the mother?

Have not spoken to the daughter... I have in no way punished the daughter.. or spoken against her in anyway..I rebuked what I saw as clear evidence that her claims to know Gods mercy and demand that mercy from others is not based on a compassionate heart but a desire to win a debate about the gay agenda.

 

[Mitspa]

honestly, your'e still wanting to go at it??
I NEVER laughed at that lady for being arrested, NEVER. I do however understand why she was arrested, and do not see her as being a "hero"....I see her as a Christian who thought she was defending her faith by her actions. Unlike yourself, I would NEVER laugh at someone else's pain. And call it what you want. My son has been given to me BY GOD and FOR GOD. I placed that boy in God's hands when he was an infant...giving back to Him the precious gift that he had given to me...for HIS work...and HIS glory....so even now I HAVE to put my trust in HIM to do what HE WILLS. And my bible says HIS will is that ALL be saved, and NONE should perish....so I am praying according to HIS will and that's all I am asking from others. Guess what. Whether you care to believe it or not, we will be stuck together for eternity...for I have been saved by the GRACE of God through FAITH alone. So deal....and if you can't or won't pray GOD's will for my son, then please, just shut up.

Honestly, my prayer for you is to one day have a gay kid of your own. Oh, how God would use that to mold, form, and shape you...(yeah I know, this is my flesh speaking)

what does "lol" mean? your exact quote ...

"nope. but she got jailed for breaking the law, lol."

Clearly in context of your discussion you was laughing at her going to jail?

and how wicked that you would pray someone to have a gay child? That is just evil and again shows what is in your heart...In the Name of Jesus I reject your words and your prayer and I pray you would look at your own heart .. You and the other Christians that defend the gay lifestyle can claim you know God, but you deny Him in your works.

 

[Lis45]

That is a simplistic way of looking at Kim Davis' situation.

She stood on laws and customs with deeper roots and better reasoning than Anthony Kennedy's saccharine love poetry.

I'm not saying she didn't. I'm saying that she still didn't comply with the law, whether she liked the law, whether it was a ridiculous law or not.

 

[Mitspa]

I'm not saying she didn't. I'm saying that she still didn't comply with the law, whether she liked the law, whether it was a ridiculous law or not.

Its not a law..its a court ruling ..the constitution is the law and what she did was completely legal and above that it was right before the Lord.

 

[Desdichado]

I'm not saying she didn't. I'm saying that she still didn't comply with the law, whether she liked the law, whether it was a ridiculous law or not.

Your spat with Mitspa highlights the heart of the debate- what is truly authoritative.

Does the Law govern the law or does might truly make right?

A Christian knows the former to be true, because he intimately knows the Author.

 

[crossnote]

Have not spoken to the daughter... I have in no way punished the daughter.. or spoken against her in anyway..I rebuked what I saw as clear evidence that her claims to know Gods mercy and demand that mercy from others is not based on a compassionate heart but a desire to win a debate about the gay agenda.

What I meant was why withhold prayer for the child because of the parent?

 

[Lis45]

Its not a law..its a court ruling ..the constitution is the law and what she did was completely legal and above that it was right before the Lord.

ummmmm....ok. whatever. The supreme court's job is to interpret the constitution..especially when issues such as this come up. They did that, their ruling has the final say on the issue, and that's that. Therefore, what she did was not completely legal.

 

[Dude653]

ummmmm....ok. whatever. The supreme court's job is to interpret the constitution..especially when issues such as this come up. They did that, their ruling has the final say on the issue, and that's that. Therefore, what she did was not completely legal.

You are correct... Once the Supreme Court makes a ruling , that ruling supersedes any state laws. So like it or not, the ruling stands