GOP Presidential Nomination
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Perhaps so, but he's the GOP's only real chance to beat Hillary and more importantly one of the few that even if Hillary is to be beaten possesses the ability to handle the 4 years that come afterwards.
Guess we let the GOP decide if they want to continue who to pick to lose to Hillary or who to pick that can beat her.
Guess we let the GOP decide if they want to continue who to pick to lose to Hillary or who to pick that can beat her.
Nay, the GOP is not lost yet, but it's on the edge. That's what this election is about for the GOP whether they win or not. They still have a few choices that could do the job and save the GOP and beat Hillary and rule effectively for one or two terms and do well.
The problem with the GOP is partly like the Mitt Romney paradox of last cycle. I mean seriously, The Penguin being defeated by Obama wasn't enough, so the GOP wants to run Lex Luthor this time?
My friend and I were talking over it watching this recent debate, first time for him. To him it shows perfectly that Hillary wins hands down because most the GOPers appear to be a joke and they're the ones that are doing well and are popular. My counter is that its not too late yet, the GOP still has a small chance to turn around, pick the best candidate, and beat Hillary. For the current time it looks dim indeed almost even comically. However there's still enough time and even a slight hope is some hope indeed.
His counter is that even if the GOP can avoid Trump the GOP itself will be so tainted from the process basically. My counter to which is Kasich. Kasich particular has started laying groundwork into Iowa and New Hampshire. Kasich is of course easily the best suited to beat Hillary. Not even because he is from our state, but he defies her current stratagems. If Trump wins, Hillary will win easily. If Trump doesn't win Hillary has indicated she will try to link the nominee to Trump as much as possible as a mode of attack. She can't do that with Kasich, he and Cruz are the only two Trump has not yet bribed. In fact Kasich can turn this against Hillary because she did accept quite a bit of money from Trump and Hillary and Trump are of course ironically the two most personally associated with each other of the overall pool of contenders.
The problem with the GOP is partly like the Mitt Romney paradox of last cycle. I mean seriously, The Penguin being defeated by Obama wasn't enough, so the GOP wants to run Lex Luthor this time?
My friend and I were talking over it watching this recent debate, first time for him. To him it shows perfectly that Hillary wins hands down because most the GOPers appear to be a joke and they're the ones that are doing well and are popular. My counter is that its not too late yet, the GOP still has a small chance to turn around, pick the best candidate, and beat Hillary. For the current time it looks dim indeed almost even comically. However there's still enough time and even a slight hope is some hope indeed.
His counter is that even if the GOP can avoid Trump the GOP itself will be so tainted from the process basically. My counter to which is Kasich. Kasich particular has started laying groundwork into Iowa and New Hampshire. Kasich is of course easily the best suited to beat Hillary. Not even because he is from our state, but he defies her current stratagems. If Trump wins, Hillary will win easily. If Trump doesn't win Hillary has indicated she will try to link the nominee to Trump as much as possible as a mode of attack. She can't do that with Kasich, he and Cruz are the only two Trump has not yet bribed. In fact Kasich can turn this against Hillary because she did accept quite a bit of money from Trump and Hillary and Trump are of course ironically the two most personally associated with each other of the overall pool of contenders.
People can like which ever candidate they prefer but polls show just what to expect in a head to head contest vs. Hillary Clinton.
General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton
Kasich would be crushed by Clinton
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Carson vs. Clinton
Ben Carson easily defeats Clinton
Some of the polls need to be updated. The numbers will likely change as a result of the last GOP debate and Hillary's testimony before Congress. I don't see any scenario where Governor Kasich could defeat Clinton. But I'm a pessimist. I don't think any GOP candidate can defeat Clinton, despite many polls saying otherwise. The electoral college is winner take all in each state. The Democrat candidate has over 200 electoral votes guaranteed from solid blue states. Some argue that Texas will go blue and insure Democrats never lose a presidential race again. The campaigning is just a formality. It hardly matters what they promise to do or not do if elected. We already know how the vast majority of black and Hispanic voters will vote, and how almost half of white voters will vote. Find out how much the Hispanic population grew in each supposed swing state since 2012, and suddenly those are no longer swing states. They are blue states. Ohio included.
A year from now, a lot of sad and discouraged conservatives will be blaming Donald Trump or some other Republican politician for allowing Hillary to win. It will not be Donald Trumps fault. It will be the fault of the U'S Congress not securing the southern border many decades ago. It's too late to undo the past mistakes. There is a rapidly growing voting block of Hispanics that will determine national elections from this point forward.
General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton
Kasich would be crushed by Clinton
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Carson vs. Clinton
Ben Carson easily defeats Clinton
Some of the polls need to be updated. The numbers will likely change as a result of the last GOP debate and Hillary's testimony before Congress. I don't see any scenario where Governor Kasich could defeat Clinton. But I'm a pessimist. I don't think any GOP candidate can defeat Clinton, despite many polls saying otherwise. The electoral college is winner take all in each state. The Democrat candidate has over 200 electoral votes guaranteed from solid blue states. Some argue that Texas will go blue and insure Democrats never lose a presidential race again. The campaigning is just a formality. It hardly matters what they promise to do or not do if elected. We already know how the vast majority of black and Hispanic voters will vote, and how almost half of white voters will vote. Find out how much the Hispanic population grew in each supposed swing state since 2012, and suddenly those are no longer swing states. They are blue states. Ohio included.
A year from now, a lot of sad and discouraged conservatives will be blaming Donald Trump or some other Republican politician for allowing Hillary to win. It will not be Donald Trumps fault. It will be the fault of the U'S Congress not securing the southern border many decades ago. It's too late to undo the past mistakes. There is a rapidly growing voting block of Hispanics that will determine national elections from this point forward.
Opinion polls mean little except deciding who gets to appear in the debates. They only sample a few thousand people, and they are all very dubious. I mean come on Trump even admitted in one of his speeches he has regularly paid people to manipulate polls in his favor for years. Especially polls for the hypothetical General Election are useless, that's just too far away. If a candidate like Kasich were to get the nomination they would have the full weight of the GOP behind them. That's no guarantee of victory, but whoever gets nominated will become a household name in America. It will come down moreso to whom is the better campaigner, debater, and whom has the better record and character. Everyone has some advantages over Hillary here and there, but Kasich is the only one that solidly beats her in all these fields.
On top of that, Kasich is the only one that really has the ability to attract the swing voters and even exploit the uncertainty and disenfranchisement in the Democrat base. That is very important too, because whilst Hillary might be a shoe-in, the Democrats are on low energy right now. If the GOP picks someone like Trump or Bush that the Dems really hate, and the general swing voting or nonpartisan public abhors, I think that would re-energize the Democrats. Ohio is not a blue state, Ohio has been and will continue to be a swing state. Obviously since Kasich is governor, and one of the best governors we've ever had, the best in my lifetime certainly, there is some favor towards him here. However Kasich earned the favor, it wasn't just give to him. Ohioans don't care about your party, doesn't matter what race they are. I personally know black people that would vote for Kasich if he were the nominee over Hillary, they even acknowledge he is the best candidate. Kasich's record of strong prosperity I believe will drown out any racial undertones.
Like you they are somewhat pessimistic that anyone can beat Hillary frankly. I understand that. Lol it's a lil joke me and my political watching friend have. Basically the silent majority Trump always talks about is real, but they're all Hillary supporters. Hillary is the favorite to win. I expect her to win. Even said so on this very thread before the race even began. Everyone I know offline expects her to win whether they like her or not. Hillary does have a good chance to win, but for the time being the possibility to defeat her, however slim it may be, is still on the table. It's a dim hope, but I am inclined that as long as there is a fighting chance, fight indeed.
Really the ball is in the GOP court, and they don't seem to even know it. All they have to do is pick a solid candidate like Kasich, Huckabee, Rubio, or Cruz. If the GOP instead nominates a joke like Trump, Carson, Fiorina, or Bush, then indeed they deserve to lose, and the only one they have to blame is themselves because they were given full knowledge those candidates are terrible, they were given good alternatives, they were given a chance to beat Hillary. So if the GOPers vote for losers a third election in a row, they have only themselves to blame.
On top of that, Kasich is the only one that really has the ability to attract the swing voters and even exploit the uncertainty and disenfranchisement in the Democrat base. That is very important too, because whilst Hillary might be a shoe-in, the Democrats are on low energy right now. If the GOP picks someone like Trump or Bush that the Dems really hate, and the general swing voting or nonpartisan public abhors, I think that would re-energize the Democrats. Ohio is not a blue state, Ohio has been and will continue to be a swing state. Obviously since Kasich is governor, and one of the best governors we've ever had, the best in my lifetime certainly, there is some favor towards him here. However Kasich earned the favor, it wasn't just give to him. Ohioans don't care about your party, doesn't matter what race they are. I personally know black people that would vote for Kasich if he were the nominee over Hillary, they even acknowledge he is the best candidate. Kasich's record of strong prosperity I believe will drown out any racial undertones.
Like you they are somewhat pessimistic that anyone can beat Hillary frankly. I understand that. Lol it's a lil joke me and my political watching friend have. Basically the silent majority Trump always talks about is real, but they're all Hillary supporters. Hillary is the favorite to win. I expect her to win. Even said so on this very thread before the race even began. Everyone I know offline expects her to win whether they like her or not. Hillary does have a good chance to win, but for the time being the possibility to defeat her, however slim it may be, is still on the table. It's a dim hope, but I am inclined that as long as there is a fighting chance, fight indeed.
Really the ball is in the GOP court, and they don't seem to even know it. All they have to do is pick a solid candidate like Kasich, Huckabee, Rubio, or Cruz. If the GOP instead nominates a joke like Trump, Carson, Fiorina, or Bush, then indeed they deserve to lose, and the only one they have to blame is themselves because they were given full knowledge those candidates are terrible, they were given good alternatives, they were given a chance to beat Hillary. So if the GOPers vote for losers a third election in a row, they have only themselves to blame.
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Polls mean a lot. They determine who gets donations, who gets into debates, who voters listen to. These are not just one or two polls but a set of the top polls in the country. Don't dismiss them simply because Kasich does poorly in them.
I see no reason why next years election will come down to debating or character, or a better record. President Obama had no record. He had barely become a Senator and had offered nothing during his time there. He missed over 50% of the votes in the Senate. His character was deeply flawed. He had mentors who were anti-Americans who hated the government. He attended a church where they gave a lifetime achievement award to the anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan. His wife stated she had never been proud to be an American. He hung around radical domestic terrorists. He was a prolific pot smoker in school.
I'll keep repeating this until someone responds. The 2016 Presidential election will be decided by Latino voters. In Ohio, they supported President Obama over Governor Romney 82% to 17%.
http://ochla.ohio.gov/Portals/0/Documents/LCR_Voting2013/Voting Trends LCR.pdf
They were 8% of the electorate in 2004, 9% in 2008, and 10% in 2012. They will likely be 11% or more in 2016. In Texas, 3 million Latino's became eligible to vote since Mitt Romney won that states electoral votes by a margin of 600,000 votes. I assume you can do the math. Every former swing state has had an increase in the number of Latino voters. They have not had a similar increase in the number of white voters. The GOP could possibly get 20% of their votes, while Democrats will get 80%. Again, it's just simple math. Sure, you can sweeten the pot and secure more of their votes by declaring amnesty for all illegals. Or some sort of free government service. Democrats have already made it clear they will always offer more hand-outs than Republicans.
John Kasich can't possibly win, if nominated. I doubt he could get nominated. He agreed to expand Medicare in Ohio. Guess who got to pay for the $5 billion dollar increase in Medicare spending in Ohio since 2011 in Ohio? Taxpayers in the rest of the country and in Ohio. Easy peezie, right? Nope. Conservatives pay attention to Governors who agreed to expand Medicare. We all know it was the easy way out but it increases deficits and the debt. It is the sort of thing Democrats would do or a Republican in a blue state who wants to get reelected. But I don't want to focus on John Kasich. Let's say he wins the nomination. He probably wouldn't win in Ohio against Clinton. And the bigger take away here is that those Latino numbers are going to keep growing. To 15% and more. Democrats will coast into the White House and not even have to campaign in most states.
I see no reason why next years election will come down to debating or character, or a better record. President Obama had no record. He had barely become a Senator and had offered nothing during his time there. He missed over 50% of the votes in the Senate. His character was deeply flawed. He had mentors who were anti-Americans who hated the government. He attended a church where they gave a lifetime achievement award to the anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan. His wife stated she had never been proud to be an American. He hung around radical domestic terrorists. He was a prolific pot smoker in school.
I'll keep repeating this until someone responds. The 2016 Presidential election will be decided by Latino voters. In Ohio, they supported President Obama over Governor Romney 82% to 17%.
http://ochla.ohio.gov/Portals/0/Documents/LCR_Voting2013/Voting Trends LCR.pdf
They were 8% of the electorate in 2004, 9% in 2008, and 10% in 2012. They will likely be 11% or more in 2016. In Texas, 3 million Latino's became eligible to vote since Mitt Romney won that states electoral votes by a margin of 600,000 votes. I assume you can do the math. Every former swing state has had an increase in the number of Latino voters. They have not had a similar increase in the number of white voters. The GOP could possibly get 20% of their votes, while Democrats will get 80%. Again, it's just simple math. Sure, you can sweeten the pot and secure more of their votes by declaring amnesty for all illegals. Or some sort of free government service. Democrats have already made it clear they will always offer more hand-outs than Republicans.
John Kasich can't possibly win, if nominated. I doubt he could get nominated. He agreed to expand Medicare in Ohio. Guess who got to pay for the $5 billion dollar increase in Medicare spending in Ohio since 2011 in Ohio? Taxpayers in the rest of the country and in Ohio. Easy peezie, right? Nope. Conservatives pay attention to Governors who agreed to expand Medicare. We all know it was the easy way out but it increases deficits and the debt. It is the sort of thing Democrats would do or a Republican in a blue state who wants to get reelected. But I don't want to focus on John Kasich. Let's say he wins the nomination. He probably wouldn't win in Ohio against Clinton. And the bigger take away here is that those Latino numbers are going to keep growing. To 15% and more. Democrats will coast into the White House and not even have to campaign in most states.
Remember these are opinion polls, with only a few hundred to a lil over a thousand respondents, perhaps skewed or even completely fictitious. The only poll that truly matters is the one in each state on the day of their actual primary. Lots of people watching the debates indeed and real politically interested in the GOP for sure. Many I know offline even my own little personal poll. Alas though most of them will not or even cannot vote in the actual election. If there is still a relatively large field come the actual primaries I can see this becoming a long contest.
I'm an Ohioan, I was saying before Mitt got nominated he'd lose and he was the worst candidate. The GOP has turned into a circus joke running people like Trump and Carson. They run a non-Christian inexperienced black guy who softly hisses lies to replace Obama? Like seriously, Hollywood couldn't write this script. It's so obvious that pretty much everyone except the GOPers understand it. Ain't nothing to do with race. Ain't nothing to do with party. Ohioans pick who serves them best. Ohio voted Bush in office too. It's a swing state. Kasich won in his first election because Democrat Strickland did so poorly, Kasich won in a landslide in his re-election because beyond imagination he fulfilled his promises and even prospered beyond that and brought Ohio out of the brink both on paper and visibly and tangibly in the real world.
Seriously, how is it a criticism for Kasich to do what is right, strengthen Medicare and help the most vulnerable of our society to make Ohio strong again? Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security are all promises made long ago to the citizen.
If Kasich were to be nominated he'd win Ohio easy. I think even putting him to solely focus on Hillary would make him stronger too. Wasn't alive at the time, but I think it be like to the first Reagan election from what I can see in historical contexts. If Kasich is the only one to choose from against Hillary, it's so obvious Kasich is superior to Hillary in every way just by his record. I think he is the only one that might be able to beat her by a landslide. Even many of the dems would vote Kasich over Hillary hands down if they are all ready aware or become aware of his strong record of prosperity and experience. Others could beat her, but it will be a close one.
More than even beating Hillary is what comes after. GOPers have lost their marbles if they think the American public will elect Trump, Carson, Fiorina, or Bush. The only race that decides the American President is the American people. In a way the American people vote themselves, whether they deserve corruption or prosperity. It's a referendum on the spirit of both parties, both the wings, even a referendum on the existence of America.
I'm an Ohioan, I was saying before Mitt got nominated he'd lose and he was the worst candidate. The GOP has turned into a circus joke running people like Trump and Carson. They run a non-Christian inexperienced black guy who softly hisses lies to replace Obama? Like seriously, Hollywood couldn't write this script. It's so obvious that pretty much everyone except the GOPers understand it. Ain't nothing to do with race. Ain't nothing to do with party. Ohioans pick who serves them best. Ohio voted Bush in office too. It's a swing state. Kasich won in his first election because Democrat Strickland did so poorly, Kasich won in a landslide in his re-election because beyond imagination he fulfilled his promises and even prospered beyond that and brought Ohio out of the brink both on paper and visibly and tangibly in the real world.
Seriously, how is it a criticism for Kasich to do what is right, strengthen Medicare and help the most vulnerable of our society to make Ohio strong again? Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security are all promises made long ago to the citizen.
If Kasich were to be nominated he'd win Ohio easy. I think even putting him to solely focus on Hillary would make him stronger too. Wasn't alive at the time, but I think it be like to the first Reagan election from what I can see in historical contexts. If Kasich is the only one to choose from against Hillary, it's so obvious Kasich is superior to Hillary in every way just by his record. I think he is the only one that might be able to beat her by a landslide. Even many of the dems would vote Kasich over Hillary hands down if they are all ready aware or become aware of his strong record of prosperity and experience. Others could beat her, but it will be a close one.
More than even beating Hillary is what comes after. GOPers have lost their marbles if they think the American public will elect Trump, Carson, Fiorina, or Bush. The only race that decides the American President is the American people. In a way the American people vote themselves, whether they deserve corruption or prosperity. It's a referendum on the spirit of both parties, both the wings, even a referendum on the existence of America.
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Lol only a small amount of people in the GOP, and even smaller throughout America want Jeb. Sad too, Jeb is actually the more reasonable Bush and after Kasich has admittedly the 2nd best proven record of solid prosperity and good governance. Jeb went from the favorite to the long shot in this campaign, he is folding too much in the debates, even for those that can look past the Bush dynasty factor.
In twenty years, you'll understand some of this better. Ronald Reagan won 49 of the 50 states. Or 49 of the 57 states, if you are President Obama. That can't happen again. A Republican cannot win in most red states. The demographics make it impossible. The very thought of you suggesting Governor Kasich could win 49 states is delusional. No Republican could. Almost all liberal progressive Democrats vote only for liberal progressive Democrats. All young people in college are inculcated to be liberals. It takes years before some of them come out of that indoctrination. In states like California, Republicans don't even campaign. It's a waste of time and money. They can't win dark red states.
Some of these polls know exactly what is happening and what will happen. The accurately predict election outcomes.
Don't hand me the Kasich talking points. We have come to the end of the road. There is no longer a place to kick the can down. John Kasich can add $5 billion to the Ohio Medicare costs, and you won't blink an eye because you don't feel you have to pay any of that increase. Some corporation will pay for it. Some wealthy folks will pony up more. Then why is the country $18,5 trillion dollars in debt. We are not paying out bills. We are borrowing money to stay afloat. That borrowed money is not free. It has interest that has to be paid. This morning, on Fox Business, they showed a chart that said by 2025, just ten years from now, the interest on the debt loans alone will cost close to a trillion dollars a year. That is one trillion out of a federal budget of around $3.7 trillion. And during those same ten years, entitlement spending, which is now 71% of the federal budget, will increase to over 100% of the federal budget. Not a single dime left over for military spending or discretionary spending. Nothing. And John Kasich will be retired and living well on his government pension.
Some of these polls know exactly what is happening and what will happen. The accurately predict election outcomes.
Don't hand me the Kasich talking points. We have come to the end of the road. There is no longer a place to kick the can down. John Kasich can add $5 billion to the Ohio Medicare costs, and you won't blink an eye because you don't feel you have to pay any of that increase. Some corporation will pay for it. Some wealthy folks will pony up more. Then why is the country $18,5 trillion dollars in debt. We are not paying out bills. We are borrowing money to stay afloat. That borrowed money is not free. It has interest that has to be paid. This morning, on Fox Business, they showed a chart that said by 2025, just ten years from now, the interest on the debt loans alone will cost close to a trillion dollars a year. That is one trillion out of a federal budget of around $3.7 trillion. And during those same ten years, entitlement spending, which is now 71% of the federal budget, will increase to over 100% of the federal budget. Not a single dime left over for military spending or discretionary spending. Nothing. And John Kasich will be retired and living well on his government pension.
Then you go with the guy that has tackled huge debt and gotten surpluses. That is Kasich, he did it in Ohio. His catchline about the 8 billion in the hole to a 2 billion surplus isn't just a punchline, it's reality. Speedily so too, within one term even. It is almost unheard of. When Kasich was in the House and on Finance policies US economy was good in the 1980s and 1990s the government had surpluses udner his leadership in Congress. So pretty much he's the only candidate that can steal some of Hillary's thunder she'll try to use about the goodness of the economy in the 1990s while Bill was President.
If you're serious about the budget and the government debt you go with the guy who has a record of eliminating debt and getting budget surpluses. It's that simple. Kasich is the best pick for that category by far going by record.
The only reason the GOP cannot win 49 states anymore is they have no faith and they pick clowns. Kasich might not be able to get 49 states, but he'd take a good swath of them. You'd be surprised. If it is just between Kasich and Hillary alone and you have a year to contrast the two, Kasich could sweep the board, and even break into the Blue Wall.
If you're serious about the budget and the government debt you go with the guy who has a record of eliminating debt and getting budget surpluses. It's that simple. Kasich is the best pick for that category by far going by record.
The only reason the GOP cannot win 49 states anymore is they have no faith and they pick clowns. Kasich might not be able to get 49 states, but he'd take a good swath of them. You'd be surprised. If it is just between Kasich and Hillary alone and you have a year to contrast the two, Kasich could sweep the board, and even break into the Blue Wall.
The Democrats are not to be underestimated, but I agree. Except for her name recognition and debate skill (which would be put to the test by a dogmatic GOP nominee), she presents many liabilities to the democrats.
If they do win, it will be a testimony to what the Obama campaign put together in 2008.
If they do win, it will be a testimony to what the Obama campaign put together in 2008.
