3rd Temple Updates

[greatkraw]

That sounds good; so does the prosperity gospel. To the itching ears anyway.

people who believe God has replaced Israel with the church end up thinking the Church goes through the Tribulation and the Jews are evil.
This is antisemitic

Scripture teaches that God has not finished with Israel and He will focus on her again when the Church is complete.

The only ones safe ie sealed in the Great Tribualtion will be 144000 JEWS

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Matthew 16: 2 He replied, "When evening comes, you say, 'It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,' 3 and in the morning, 'Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.

On Feb. 3, Iran tested a new rocket capable of being used as an intercontinental missle.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has announced that that he will enrich part of his uranium stockpile to 20%, moving steadily towards weapons grade.

Ayatollah Khamenei has once again threatened to destroy Israel.

A new reserve of 6 trillion cubic feet of natural gas has been discovered off of Israel's coast.

There are indications that a huge oil field may be located under Israel.

What do these things have in common? Read Ezekiel 38 to find out.

No matter who you say the citizens of Israel are, or what their ancestry, God has determined to defend them. I would not want to be on the side fighting against God!!

Your just confused and decieved and brainwashed by a mass media, it is therefore extremely difficult for you to grasp truth when it is presented to you clearly and concisely.

 

[greatkraw]

"In the first place, I am aware of the danger that is maliciously misinterpreted as a denial of the State of Israel's right to exist. BUT THAT RIGHT IS NOT BASED ON HYPOTHETICAL ORIGINS OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE, nor on the mythological covenant of Abraham with God; IT IS BASED ON INTERNATIONAL LAW - i.e. on the United Nations' decision in 1947 to partition Palestine, once a Turkish province, then a British Mandated Territory, into an Arab and Jewish State. Whatever the Israeli citizens racial origins, and whatever illusions they entertain about them, their STATE EXISTS DE JURE and DE FACTO,and cannot be undone except by genocide." - Arthur Koestler.

Now I am aware that you would know nothing of the Balfour Agreement between Britain and the Banking House of the Rothschilds (Ashekenazim Jews), so you might struggle with what Koestler is stating, and the danger, the very real physical danger by which we state the truth of Israel being de facto, the contact in null and void even if they could prove they were semitic or ancient Israel, but they cannot of course because the inhabitants of "Israel" which was not a solely jewish created state at all, and does not fulfill any Biblical prophecy other then Rev. 2:9. because the jewish settlers were East European Ashkenazim, who are now in breech of the Balfour Agreement.

I know about the Balfour Declaration;

I know WHY Britain was motivated to make it - do you?
I also understand why Britain backtracked.

I defy you to prove it was with the Rothchilds rather than Jews in general.

It was prophesied that the Nation of Israel would be reestablished.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

people who believe God has replaced Israel with the church end up thinking the Church goes through the Tribulation and the Jews are evil.
This is antisemitic

The Jews of taday are not Semites, therfore your statemnet is just a oxymoron, and a denial of fact and reality.

Scripture teaches that God has not finished with Israel and He will focus on her again when the Church is complete.

The Rothschild state of "Israel" is not the Biblical ancient Israelites who were a people'

The only ones safe ie sealed in the Great Tribualtion will be 144000 JEWS

12 is a number of completion, the twelve tribes of Israel are all Christians and under the Covenant of Christ Hebrews 8:8-12.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Why would Paul write a letter to the Jews (Hebrews), and tell them that the Christians replaced Israel?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

I know about the Balfour Declaration;

I know WHY Britain was motivated to make it - do you?
I also understand why Britain backtracked.

I defy you to prove it was with the Rothchilds rather than Jews in general.

It was prophesied that the Nation of Israel would be reestablished.

Israel was to be a multitude of Nations - Genesis 17:4-6.

Rothschilds are Ashkenazim just like 90% of all Jews today are Ashkenazim.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Over 90% of Jews today are not descended from Abraham, let alone Jacob, this is just a proven established fact, that is impossible to deny, one can entertain the thought, but it is foolish as Judaism is a religion not a race, and the nucleus of the main practioners of Judasim are a people of Turkic/Mongolian origin - namely Ashkenazim who converted in the 8th Century. The descendants of Jacob/Israel who were destined to become a multitude of nations and a with a number beyond count cannot be modern Jewry, that is impossible, it would be complete denial of all historical evidence to entertain such a thought, it may however be a profitable one short term, but in the end a fatal foolishness.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Dude, the christians wont be around in the Great Tribulation.

The Church will be in heaven

The Jews wont have a chance to persecute anyone - they are the ones getting persecuted. There are a bunch of prophecies to this effect.

Oh and you also believe in the 'Rapture',the second biggest trick Satan ever played.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

I don't argue most Jews today are not truly Jewish. I am simply saying doesn't it make sense when Paul wrote to the Hebrews he was speaking to real Jews, and not the Church? Why would Paul tell the Jews that they are being replaced by Christians?

Why even bother writing to them?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Why would Paul write a letter to the Jews (Hebrews), and tell them that the Christians replaced Israel?

Hebrews are anyone who is descended from Eber, that instantly rules out 92% of modern Jewry.

Firstly the Book of Hebrews is anonymous, it is only a hypothetical that Paul wrote it, but seeming he put his name to all his letters, its obviously clear that he did not write the Book of Hebrews, the reason why the Book of Hebrews which is basically the New Covenent is written for Christians is because thet Christians are Hebrews (Iberians) and not the Jews.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Hebrews are anyone who is descended from Eber, that instantly rules out 92% of modern Jewry.

Firstly the Book of Hebrews is anonymous, it is only a hypothetical that Paul wrote it, but seeming he put his name to all his letters, its obviously clear that he did not write the Book of Hebrews, the reason why the Book of Hebrews which is basically the New Covenent is written for Christians is because thet Christians are Hebrews (Iberians) and not the Jews.

Christians aren't Hebrews unless they are born Hebrew. That letter was written to first century Messianic Jews. You can't convert to a nationality,

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Christians aren't Hebrews unless they are born Hebrew. That letter was written to first century Messianic Jews. You can't convert to a nationality,

A Hebrew is anyone who is descended from Eber.

The Book of Hebrews is the New Covenant. It was written in Greek.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

A Hebrew is anyone who is descended from Eber.

The Book of Hebrews is the New Covenant.

And you can't just become a blood descended from somebody just because you want to.

Jeremiah 31
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
35 Thus says the LORD,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The LORD of hosts is His name):
36 “ If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the LORD,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”
37 Thus says the LORD:
“ If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the LORD.
38 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, that the city shall be built for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate.
39 The surveyor’s line shall again extend straight forward over the hill Gareb; then it shall turn toward Goath.
40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the Brook Kidron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, shall be holy to the LORD. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down anymore forever.”

 

[HumbleSaint]

Is it possible that some of these 12,000 Jews that are going to be saved will be in other countries than isreal?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

And you can't just become a blood descended from somebody just because you want to.

Jeremiah 31
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
35 Thus says the LORD,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The LORD of hosts is His name):
36 “ If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the LORD,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”
37 Thus says the LORD:
“ If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the LORD.
38 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, that the city shall be built for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate.
39 The surveyor’s line shall again extend straight forward over the hill Gareb; then it shall turn toward Goath.
40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the Brook Kidron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, shall be holy to the LORD. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down anymore forever.”

Yea dude, I am from the House of Israel, I trace my ancestry back to The Tribes of Ephraim, Levi and Dan, how about you?

 

[charisenexcelcis]

The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia:

"In the early middle ages the KHAZARS were sometimes referred to as Ashkenazim...About 92% of all Jes are Ashkenazim."

Genesis 10:1-3; "The sons of Japheth;...the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz..."

"Khazars, a national group of general Turkic type, independent and sovereign in Eastern Europe between the seventh and tenth centuries A.D. During this time the leading Khazars professed Judaism." - Encyclopedia Judicia, Vol. 10, 1971.

"Ashkenazim, the Ashkenazim are one of two major divisions of Jews, the other being Shephardim." - Academic American Encyclopedia 1985.

"Ashkenazim, the Ashkenazim are the Jews whose ancestors lived in German lands...it is among Ashkenazi Jews that the idea of political Zionism emerged, leading ultimately to the establishment of the state of Israel...In the late 1960's, Ashkenazim numbered about 84% of the world jewish population." - Encyclopedia Americana. 1985


"Khazars, confeceration of Turkic and Iranian tribes that established a major commercial empire in the second half of the 6th century, covering the southeastern section of modern European Russia...In the middle of the 8th century the ruling classes adopted Judaism as their religion." - Encyclopedia Britannica 15th Edition

"As well the greater part of the Khazar nobility, abandoned paganism and converted to Judaism....THE KHAZARS ARE BELIEVED TO BE THE ANCESTORS OF MOST RUSSIAN AND EASTERN EUROPEAN JEWS." - Encyclopedia Americana 1985.

First of all, converted Jews are still Jews, so even if the EA quote is both authentic and authoritative (which I doubt), it matters not. Remember that Jesus had a Moabitess as an ancestor and without conversion would have been considered a Moabite since Jewish ancestry is matriarchal, though tribe is patriarchal. (Isn't it strange that this is a 1985 reference?)
The Jewish traditions are named by the nations that they were scattered among, not what nation they are. If what you are saying is true and I was a modern Jew who wanted to be considered a Jew, why would I claim that title. I pray God will soften your heart and bring light to your mind.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Cup, I don't get why it's so hard to understand...

You were "grafted into Israel" not "replacing Israel".

 

[greatkraw]

The Valley of Dry Bones
Ezekiel 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

Can These Bones Live?
Ezekiel 37:2-3 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

The Bones in Prophecy
Ezekiel 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.

God’s Physical and Spiritual Promise to Restore Israel
Ezekiel 37:4-6 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath (ruwach-spiritual) to enter into you, and ye shall live: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, (physical) and put breath in you, (Neshamah-Gen 2:7)) and ye shall live; (rebirth) and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Alive Again, and Standing Strong
Ezekiel 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

Whom do the Dry Bones Symbolize?
Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

God Promised to Bring Israel Back to the Land
Ezekiel 37:12-13 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

Ezekiel 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD

Israel was reborn, physically, on May 14, 1948, at 4:00 p.m

On may 14,1948,the Declaration of Independence was read by David Ben Gurion who became the first Prime Minister of Israel.It is said that the Bible verses Ezek.37:1-23 have been read during the ceremony on that day.It is believed that the prophecies of Ezekiel 37 have been fulfilled.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Ezekiel 28:25-26 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob. And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the LORD their God.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Is it possible that some of these 12,000 Jews that are going to be saved will be in other countries than isreal?

A brief History of the Terms for Jew; 1980 Jewish Almanac.

"STRICTLY SPEAKING IT IS INCORRECT TO CALL AN ANCIENT ISRAELITE A 'JEW' OR TO CALL A CONTEMPORARY JEW AN ANCIENT ISRAELITE OR A HEBREW." P.3.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Yea dude, I am from the House of Israel, I trace my ancestry back to The Tribes of Ephraim, Levi and Dan, how about you?

How interesting--two of those three tribes are not including in the list in Rev 7.