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And I quote:
And by the way, still waiting for someone to verify the false witness being presented and actually quote MacArthur teaching works-based salvation.
Funny you ask for what MacArthur actually teaches just a few posts after it has been posted. Four times this has been given, and at the very least those accusing him of works-based salvation should present at least one quote of MacArthur's teaching that supports this charge.
Okay, have to get going, have fun, and if your attempts to get me banned fail, lol, I will see you at the next appointed time.
God bless.
And by the way, still waiting for someone to verify the false witness being presented and actually quote MacArthur teaching works-based salvation.
Funny you ask for what MacArthur actually teaches just a few posts after it has been posted. Four times this has been given, and at the very least those accusing him of works-based salvation should present at least one quote of MacArthur's teaching that supports this charge.
Okay, have to get going, have fun, and if your attempts to get me banned fail, lol, I will see you at the next appointed time.
God bless.
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Hey sis I am just trying to make a point.
Your quoting a church which states they quoted what he said.
Pilgrim does the same.
Instead of posting interpretations of what he said, (even if they caim they quote him, can we prove it?) Lets just go to the horses mouth otherwise You and Pilgrim will just continue to go and nothign will be resolved.
Your quoting a church which states they quoted what he said.
Pilgrim does the same.
Instead of posting interpretations of what he said, (even if they caim they quote him, can we prove it?) Lets just go to the horses mouth otherwise You and Pilgrim will just continue to go and nothign will be resolved.
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I understand
short of buying the man's book, dunno?
here's a link to a vid ... I don't agree with calling him a heretic...that's a bit over the top...again, there are no prequels for salvation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGwXIoMnNgg
short of buying the man's book, dunno?
here's a link to a vid ... I don't agree with calling him a heretic...that's a bit over the top...again, there are no prequels for salvation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGwXIoMnNgg
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While this topic seems to be new here, I have seen it hotly debated elsewhere which is where I actually learned about it
These sources name the book, page etc...now you can't do that if you are making things up...it's far too easy to refute lies like that...I am surpised that folks here seem to be vague on the concept as this is actually a teaching that is still hotly debated
Dr. MacArthur’s teaching on the one nature of the believer is related to his teaching on Lordship. If the believer really only has one nature, the new nature in Christ [as MacArthur teaches in The MacArthur N.T. Commentary--Ephesians, p. 164], then we would expect such a person to be totally surrendered to the Lordship of Christ. In the words of Dr. MacArthur: "Listen! No one who is saved will fail to repent, will fail to submit or fail to obey...True faith results in an absolutely and totally transformed life" (Tape GC 90-21 on Lordship). Would we not expect this from a person who does not have an old nature?
Dr. MacArthur’s position on Lordship Salvation has been made very clear in his published book, THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS. He has also made statements in some of his other published writings and tapes that relate to this subject, some of which are quoted below:
"The Greek word translated 'belief' is not referring merely to intellectual attainment or mental acquiescence but a wholehearted acceptance of everything that is implied in the claims of Christ. You need to believe that Jesus is God and that He died for your sins, committing your whole life to Him in sacrifice and serving Him as Lord." (Assurance of Victory--1 John 5, Moody Press, p.12).
"Submission to the will of God, to Christ’s lordship, and to the guiding of the Spirit is an essential, not an optional, part of saving faith" (EPHESIANS, p. 249).
"Saving faith is a placing of oneself totally in submission to the Lord Jesus Christ" (Romans 1-8, p. 205).
John MacArthur's Position on Lordship Salvation
These sources name the book, page etc...now you can't do that if you are making things up...it's far too easy to refute lies like that...I am surpised that folks here seem to be vague on the concept as this is actually a teaching that is still hotly debated
Dr. MacArthur’s teaching on the one nature of the believer is related to his teaching on Lordship. If the believer really only has one nature, the new nature in Christ [as MacArthur teaches in The MacArthur N.T. Commentary--Ephesians, p. 164], then we would expect such a person to be totally surrendered to the Lordship of Christ. In the words of Dr. MacArthur: "Listen! No one who is saved will fail to repent, will fail to submit or fail to obey...True faith results in an absolutely and totally transformed life" (Tape GC 90-21 on Lordship). Would we not expect this from a person who does not have an old nature?
Dr. MacArthur’s position on Lordship Salvation has been made very clear in his published book, THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS. He has also made statements in some of his other published writings and tapes that relate to this subject, some of which are quoted below:
"The Greek word translated 'belief' is not referring merely to intellectual attainment or mental acquiescence but a wholehearted acceptance of everything that is implied in the claims of Christ. You need to believe that Jesus is God and that He died for your sins, committing your whole life to Him in sacrifice and serving Him as Lord." (Assurance of Victory--1 John 5, Moody Press, p.12).
"Submission to the will of God, to Christ’s lordship, and to the guiding of the Spirit is an essential, not an optional, part of saving faith" (EPHESIANS, p. 249).
"Saving faith is a placing of oneself totally in submission to the Lord Jesus Christ" (Romans 1-8, p. 205).
John MacArthur's Position on Lordship Salvation