Well, round & round we go about the lordship salvation issue, a belief that's been in the scriptures all along. No, Johnny Mac didn't create it, he just labeled it.
This is somewhat like it was in Jesus' day..... People wanting everything under the sun from Jesus, yet the majority of His day wouldn't let Him be Lord of their lives, either. They believed in Jesus until He required something of them.....to take up their cross & follow Him.
Those that refuses Jesus' Lordship & His Kingship cannot be His disciple. He stated plainly that those that won't take up their cross & follow Him CANNOT be His disciple.
Luke 14:25-33 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Now large crowds were going along with Him; and He turned and said to them, [SUP]26 [/SUP]"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. [SUP]27 [/SUP]"Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. [SUP]28 [/SUP]"For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it? [SUP]29 [/SUP]"Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him, [SUP]30 [/SUP]saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.' [SUP]31 [/SUP]"Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand? [SUP]32 [/SUP]"Or else, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. [SUP]33 [/SUP]"So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.
Those of you seriously contemplating believing non-Lordship need to quit believing what you hear & read your Bibles. Some need to repent for spreading such garbage. Others need to repent for letting your egos get the best of you, thinking winning this discussion is a sure thing, when it never was.
Have we forgotten so easily the simple scripture, "you'll know them by their fruits"? Arrogance, pride & superiority complexes aren't the traits of a true disciple. They are of their father, the devil. One's bad fruits determine the side they're on, as well as where they're heading..... to Hell.
Having open forum discussions with the Devil's disciples isn't exactly letting our lights shine for Jesus, either.
We're in the last days..... of course the church majority will refuse their Lord & King, it must come to pass. It's easy to accept a god that doesn't demand holiness..... that will let its subjects live a false life of believing without proof..... a salvation that demands no cross to carry, no obedience whatsoever, just a "saying faith" in another Jesus, another gospel, another faith, another salvation.
Does anybody notice that many "christians" in the BDF will all gang together against those that really believe in the Lordship of Christ, yet will not argue against each other's false doctrine?
Remember how the false religionists of Jesus' day persistantly argued against the Son of God, holy & blameless? Now, look at today's liberal church. Who are they arguing with? There's nothing new under the sun.....
Those that make their loud, arrogant claims to righteousness have nothing..... Those who humbly submit to their King of kings & Lord of lords, believing He is exactly that, have everything. He gives them power to become the Sons of God.
