blaspheming the Holy Spirit?

[CS1]

This is an interesting topic, and I am curious to know what you would think in a certain scenario. If somebody was seeking, exploring things perhaps better left alone, and experienced something spiritual while not having any idea what it was, but thought maybe it was something satanic while in truth it was something from God through the Holy Spirit... would you call that not knowing but thinking it was one thing and not the other, blasphemy? Or would the fact that the person did not know either way be enough to say it was not blasphemy?

the short answer is no :

but don't take my word for it read Acts how paul cast out the devil of a women practicing deviations. If she had done the UNFORGIVable sin why did the Holy Spirit lead paul to cast out that devil? also read of the wizard who burned all his stuff to follow Jesus. How could he do that if he Blasphemed the Holy Spirit? he was ignorant. But Christ set him free as HE did all those who trust in HIM

 

[justpassinthrough]

Very doubtful, because a lot of that activity is of the flesh.

How so?

If someone is operating in the flesh, and someone says "that's the devil", then obviously they are not blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

On the other hand, it's just as true... if a person, any person calls the Holy Spirit, the devil they are blaspheming the Holy Spirit.


There are many today who call themselves Christians, yet claim there is no more Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and so they call the spirit by which someone who has been Baptized in the Holy Spirit and speaks in new tongues, the Devil.


That is a clear and modern day example of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.


justpassinthrough

 

[shineyourlight]

After studying it for a while, I have come to the conclusion that it's when you associate Jesus with the works of the devil. That Jesus receives his miracles, his power, from the devil.

 

[P1LGR1M]

Hi P1lGri1m ,

very good questions I will try to answer very respectfully .
" (1) the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is limited to the sin in view when the Lord mentions the Blasphemy "

I think the context of why Jesus said and to who he said is very important. Matt 12 and Luke 11 both show us that was spoken to the pharisees for what they said. At no time did the Pharisees use the name "Holy Spirit" they said that HE Jesus was casting out the Devil by the Power of a specific Devil named " Beelzebub" Matt 12 . That tells me they did not know the Holy Spirit and were making personal attacks on Jesus because the people were Believing more in what Jesus was doing healing, casting out devils etc.. If we look at the context of what "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit " is from the three chapter that speak n this Matt 12 the two in Luke at starting at chapter 11.

Again, thanks for the response.

You keep making the statement...

At no time did the Pharisees use the name "Holy Spirit" they said that HE Jesus was casting out the Devil by the Power of a specific Devil named " Beelzebub" Matt 12

I would suggest to you that their attributing of Christ's power to Beelzebub is identified by Christ as Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost:


Mark 3:22-30

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?

[SUP]24 [/SUP]And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

[SUP]27 [/SUP]No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

[SUP]29 [/SUP]But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

[SUP]30 [/SUP]Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.



Luke 12:10

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.


Note a definitive statement in regards to blaspheming the Holy Ghost. First, it is not equated to speaking against the Son of Man, which can be forgiven, whereas the Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven. In verse 30 we see that it is clarified that the teaching is due to them saying He had an unclean spirit, which Christ identifies as blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Here is another example of Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost:


Acts 7:51

King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]51 [/SUP]Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.


During Christ's Ministry we see Him operating in the Power of the Holy Ghost. We know this, because as He points out, it would make little sense for Satan to cast himself out.

The reason why speaking against Christ can be forgiven, is because that is just the normal state of natural man, he is predisposed to rebel against God's instruction for righteousness.

The reason why speaking against the Holy Ghost cannot be forgiven is because that is how God enlightens natural man to his condition, and is in fact their only hope of recognizing the truth.

The reason why those who blaspheme against the Holy Ghost are in danger of eternal damnation is that if they persist in resisting the Holy Ghost, the inevitable result is eternal damnation.

While the sin of speaking against the Son of Man could be said to be specific to that day is true from one perspective, it is still a viable teaching which can be seen today. Today, the Ministry of the Comforter is to enlighten the natural mind to the spiritual truths of the Gospel. Those who resist unto death will never have forgiveness.

Here is another example of the Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost:


Hebrews 10:26-29

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


The reason "there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" is because the sacrifice of Christ is the only Sacrifice man can appeal to in this Age for the forgiveness of sins.

If that is rejected, which is clearly defined in v.29 (and contrasted in v.28 with rejecting God's will under the Law), there is no potential for remission of sins, which reiterates Christ's teaching and brings an understanding to why those who blaspheme Christ can be forgiven, and those who blaspheme the Holy Ghost are in peril of eternal damnation.

The Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is simply resisting God's efforts to bring men to repentance. In Christ's Day, Christ was the Comforter, and promised to send Another Comforter Who's Ministry would be specific to conviction of sin.

Prior to Christ the Comforter was the very Word of God.

The "fathers," according to Stephen resisted the Holy Ghost. Those who stoned Stephen...resisted the Holy Ghost. Those that rejected Christ in His ministry to Israel...resisted the Holy Ghost.

And those who reject Christ today...resist the Holy Ghost.

At no time did the Pharisees use the name "Holy Spirit" they said that HE Jesus was casting out the Devil by the Power of a specific Devil named " Beelzebub" Matt 12

They didn't need to...Christ defined their sin.

Attributing the Work of God to Satan is resisting the truth, and places men in danger of eternal damnation. If that resistance continues, even before death God can view men as having crossed the line, to where He will give them over to their reprobate minds. This will be the case for those who enter into the Tribulation Period, God will, because of their refusal to obey the Gospel (ministered by the Holy Ghost in this Age), give them strong delusion, that they will believe the lie/s they chose to believe.

"(2) can we see the Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost described anywhere else in Scripture?"

very good question:

I think what we can see is the personification of the Holy Spirit in and throughout the bible example:

The Holy Spirit can be grieved
The Holy Spirit can be quenched
The Holy Spirit can be lied to found in Acts Ananias & Sapphira
I don't see anywhere in Scripture other than the Words of Jesus speaking about this.

Believers cannot Blaspheme the Holy Ghost.

There is a difference between grieving and quenching the Holy Ghost, which is usually done in ignorance, as contrasted with the willful rejection of the truth by those who are not born again believers:


2 Peter 2:20-22

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.


In this Age the rejection is specific to Christ, but, it is the Holy Ghost Who is being rejected, because that is how God reveals truth to the natural man.

And just as we see that men Pre-Cross and Pre-Pentecost had no excuse for rejecting that which God reveals to all men...


Romans 1:18-21

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


Romans 2:13-15

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP](For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)


...we also understand that those attributing Christ's Work to Satan had no excuse.

And if you take a look back at Hebrews 10:26-29, you will see that those who do despite unto the Spirit of Grace will be punished more severely than those who rejected Moses Law (the Covenant of Law), because they reject in full knowledge that which God has revealed to them, and this exceeds the natural testimony all men have, because it is specific and direct revelation of Christ Himself.

There remains no more sacrifice for sins for those who reject the Sacrifice of Christ, and go so far as to trod Him under their feet and count His Blood unholy.

That is, in my view, the Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.


God bless.

 

[diggerbill]

Matthew 12:29–33 (NASB95)
29 “Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
30 “He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
31 “Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
32 “Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit.

Blaspheming the Spirit has been a “can of worms” since folks started discerning the Scriptures. One theory is this. In the OT, the Law and the Father was rejected. In the Gospels, the Word and the Son was rejected. After the Cross, Conviction by The Holy Spirit is all that is left. All 3 persons would have been rejected.
Another theory is derived from verse 33: Trees produce fruit, the apple may appear juicy and delicious, but inside it is sour or rotten. It is that way today, some say “It is of the Spirit” but it really is not, it is of a false front created for the purpose of perception or personal gain.
Continuing with, or adding to, the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] theory:

Matthew 7:21–23 (NASB95)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’
23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

For the sake of saving space, the first verses in Matthew 7 lead up to 21-23. It is evident that those who cast out demons, prophesy and perform miracles, used some sort of spiritual power, whether it be Satanic or of The Lord. To me, folks who use a “Spiritual Gift” for the purpose of personal gain or perception could be considered as blaspheming The Spirit.
Another twist to theory 2 is this:

John 4:23–24 (NASB95)
23 “But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
24 “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Now it is time to put on the thinking caps or “Discerning caps”.

I was in a discussion with an old, Cajun, fundamental preacher concerning blasphemy of the Spirit. He brought to my attention that the translators did not capitalize the words “spirit” and “truth” in John 4:23-24. Reasoning was, although Christ could have been referring to “The Holy Spirit” and the true “Word of God”, the translators thinking was that man can use other spirits and other words for personal gain. I have mixed feeling with the translation, but it does make sense. Remember: The Pharasees worshipped in truth. They were adamant about the Law, but had no mercy when a person broke it. IE: A fisherman was coming in on the afternoon before the Sabbath but, a storm came up and blew his boat back out to sea. The fisherman could not make it back until after sunset. Therefore, according to the Pharisees, the man was working on the Sabbath and must pay the price.

The old preachers final words were:
“John 4:23-24 commands us to worship in Spirit and in Truth. To worship in Truth, WITHOUT Spirit is heresy. To worship in Spirit, WITHOUT Truth, is blasphemy.”

My first thought was, "This old man is crazy, he has it backwards" after a little horizontal meditation and thinking with my spirit instead of my emotions, I figured it out. The old man was right. "To worship in Truth, WITHOUT Spirit is heresy. To worship in Spirit, WITHOUT Truth, is blasphemy.”


Which takes us back to:

Matthew 7:21–23 (NASB95)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’
23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

OK BILL, YOU HAVE LOST YOUR MIND:

Consider Simon in Acts 8:9 Acts 8:9 (NASB95)
9 Now there was a man named Simon, who formerly was practicing magic in the city and astonishing the people of Samaria, claiming to be someone great;
It is evident that Simon made a living by performing magic miracles that were not of God. After seeing Phillip performing miracles Simon became a believer, but that showman “Self” still resided in Simon. Simon, POSSIBLY, saw money and riches in the Power of the Holy Spirit. When Simon offered to pay for the Holy Spirit. Phillip understood the reason that Simon wanted the power of the Holy Spirit and refused to give the power to Simon.

Again, this is another example of using the Holy Spirit for personal gain. IMHO: Saying that “It is of the Holy Spirit” but it is really from “Self” is blaspheming the Spirit. Consider some of the ultra wealth TV evangelists. They may worship "In the spirit" (Small s on the spirit) but not "Truth" (Capital S in Spirit) as gold dust does not fall from the sky.

This subject will haunt folks until the rapture. At which point, we will understand.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I think what people are failing to take into account is that the pharisees to whom Christ uttered the warning about blasphemy of the spirit were of the devil. They were not of GOD, yet they thought they were. Their calling good evil just demonstrated how reprobate, self-righteous and hard their hearts were. They were only concerned with externals and were never able to find the truth in order to be forgiven.

I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? John 5:43-44

Why do you not understand my words? Because you are not able to hear my message. You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father! That one was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand firm in the truth, because truth is not in him. Whenever he speaks the lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I am telling the truth, you do not believe me. John 8:43-45​

 

[Mantvydas]

[h=1]Zechariah 11:17[/h]

“Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall beupon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.”

King James Version (KJV)​

 

[ember]

The only danger here is in scaring the pants off genuine Christians who don't understand what Jesus was talking about into believing they were never saved or have lost their salvation because they think they accidentally blasphemed the Holy Ghost. STOP IT!

don't you think God knows the heart and why some may disbelieve?

doubtful anyone will fall from grace for genuine questionning

this is about calling what is of God as being from the devil

and no, he is not going to stop it, because it needs to be said


and

thank you very much!

 

[ember]

After studying it for a while, I have come to the conclusion that it's when you associate Jesus with the works of the devil. That Jesus receives his miracles, his power, from the devil.

short answer

yes I think so!

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I've been enlightened by God but sometimes I knowingly sin even though I know it is bad. Have I just committed blaspheme? I have troubles staying away from porn if I go back to it have I blasphemed and re-crucified Christ? Can someone help​

hello Winningedge

As long as you are still feeling conviction from the HOLY SPIRIT then I would say no you haven't.

We know that the issue you mentioned about porn Is a sin but IMO you will not be able to overcome It In your own strength using will-power because of the weakness of your flesh.
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Romans 8:5
king James version(KJV)

5.For They that are after the flesh do mind the the things of the flesh;but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
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Romans 7:20-23
king James version(KJV)

20.)Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21.)I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22.)For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23.)But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
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Someone might then ask the question:If can't stop doing this sin that has became an addiction then how do I stop?

A person would have to stop trusting ther will-power and start trusting In the WORD of GOD and the WORD of GOD will bring that person out of that.
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John 6:63
king James version(KJV)

63.)It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[PeterJens]

Jesus was saying the pharisees were calling something done by God, which was obviously good and full of blessing as something evil and wrong inspired by satan. This was blasphemy against the Spirit, words spoken with intent to cause harm.

The seriousness of such speaking is emphasised by Jesus saying

"everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken"

This is not dismissing discernment, but caution unexpected things may be a work of God and the Spirit, so investigate and carefully consider before you condemn.

I have read here people calling others inspired by evil spirits, which is not a good idea.
Some have miss-understood references used. I have quoted for instance satan going around like a roaring lion seeing who they might consume, implying you have to be careful condemning and jumping to conclusions. I was shocked by one person suggesting when I was young I reached out to Jesus and His word, I was reaching out to a different source.

Now this hit me hard, because I did not expect this at all. I came with the gospel and a message of openness and love, but such an approach was deemed wrong. People must be very careful when talking about the blessing people have rightfully received within and without the charismatic, pentecostal movement, because the Lord uses much more than we realise, and we are commanded and warned not to lean on our own understanding. The flesh always wants to defend the position we hold, but if we have good reason to be cautious, we should speak this out.

What has been confusing is extremes of experience of emotionalism, of talking about angels and special blessings, which appear to have no real content but just appear, and in some cases purposely faked. This includes gold dust, feathers, smoke, gems and gold teeth which are purely unknown until very recently. Time and again people who have had dentists put the teeth in now claim God put them there. The idea this is more important than good relationships, sanctification and being a light to the world shows how little real spirituality is going on is such fellowships. But a nobody, who sprinkles plastic gold dust from their hair is now super spiritual because the dust has spoken. That is the level of discernment some are using.

 

[Andrew1]

don't you think God knows the heart and why some may disbelieve?

doubtful anyone will fall from grace for genuine questionning

this is about calling what is of God as being from the devil

and no, he is not going to stop it, because it needs to be said


and

thank you very much!

I find this statement confusing, I am aware that the passage is about calling what is of God as being from the devil. My point was he was implying being a cessationist is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost and couldn't be forgiven. As far as I can tell, I'm a cessationist. I guess I can't be saved now. Misunderstanding the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost has caused a lot of unnecessary fear among Christians and nobody needs to go around perpetuating that fear. Being a cessationist is not the unpardonable sin, there is no unpardonable sin. The only thing that is unpardonable is a heart that doesn't want to be pardoned. The vilest offender who truly believes that moment from Jesus a pardon receives.

 

[ember]

I find this statement confusing, I am aware that the passage is about calling what is of God as being from the devil. My point was he was implying being a cessationist is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost and couldn't be forgiven. As far as I can tell, I'm a cessationist, or at least deny that the Charismatics are using them correctly. I guess I can't be saved now. Misunderstanding the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost has caused a lot of unnecessary fear among Christians and nobody needs to go around perpetuating that fear. Being a cessationist is not the unpardonable sin, there is no unpardonable sin. The only thing that is unpardonable is a heart that doesn't want to be pardoned. The vilest offender who truly believes that moment from Jesus a pardon receives.

first you state it was confusing...then you get a little smart aleckly about it and throw in things I never stated

that does not work for me

happy to discuss what I actually stated within normal conversational perimeters between folks who are supposed to be believers

I don't do snarky

you know very well I never said nor did I hint at someone who is cessationist as being unsaved

That, is all YOUR OWN doing...that is what I mean by snarky

 

[Andrew1]

first you state it was confusing...then you get a little smart aleckly about it and throw in things I never stated

that does not work for me

happy to discuss what I actually stated within normal conversational perimeters between folks who are supposed to be believers

I don't do snarky

you know very well I never said nor did I hint at someone who is cessationist as being unsaved

That, is all YOUR OWN doing...that is what I mean by snarky

I think there may have been a miscommunication somewhere, I had am not being nor had I any intention of being "snarky'. Everything I said was serious. My original response was to RickyZ who mentioned Cessationism in response to justpassingthrough.


Justpassingthrough: "There are many today who call themselves Christians, yet claim there is no more Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and so they call the spirit by which someone who has been Baptized in the Holy Spirit and speaks in new tongues, the Devil.

That is a clear and modern day example of blaspheming the Holy Spirit."


RickyZ: "Which is exactly why Cessationism is such an incredibly dangerous theology."

 

[Stranger36147]

It's interesting that people seem to have different ideas or theories on what the unforgivable sin is and how one commits it. You would think if there were this sin you could easily fall into, Jesus would have made it clear exactly what it is. Instead, he didn't and all anyone can do is guess.

 

[CS1]

Again, thanks for the response.

You keep making the statement...



I would suggest to you that their attributing of Christ's power to Beelzebub is identified by Christ as Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost:


Mark 3:22-30

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?

[SUP]24 [/SUP]And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

[SUP]27 [/SUP]No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

[SUP]29 [/SUP]But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

[SUP]30 [/SUP]Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.



Luke 12:10

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.


Note a definitive statement in regards to blaspheming the Holy Ghost. First, it is not equated to speaking against the Son of Man, which can be forgiven, whereas the Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven. In verse 30 we see that it is clarified that the teaching is due to them saying He had an unclean spirit, which Christ identifies as blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Here is another example of Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost:


Acts 7:51

King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]51 [/SUP]Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.


During Christ's Ministry we see Him operating in the Power of the Holy Ghost. We know this, because as He points out, it would make little sense for Satan to cast himself out.

The reason why speaking against Christ can be forgiven, is because that is just the normal state of natural man, he is predisposed to rebel against God's instruction for righteousness.

The reason why speaking against the Holy Ghost cannot be forgiven is because that is how God enlightens natural man to his condition, and is in fact their only hope of recognizing the truth.

The reason why those who blaspheme against the Holy Ghost are in danger of eternal damnation is that if they persist in resisting the Holy Ghost, the inevitable result is eternal damnation.

While the sin of speaking against the Son of Man could be said to be specific to that day is true from one perspective, it is still a viable teaching which can be seen today. Today, the Ministry of the Comforter is to enlighten the natural mind to the spiritual truths of the Gospel. Those who resist unto death will never have forgiveness.

Here is another example of the Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost:


Hebrews 10:26-29

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


The reason "there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" is because the sacrifice of Christ is the only Sacrifice man can appeal to in this Age for the forgiveness of sins.

If that is rejected, which is clearly defined in v.29 (and contrasted in v.28 with rejecting God's will under the Law), there is no potential for remission of sins, which reiterates Christ's teaching and brings an understanding to why those who blaspheme Christ can be forgiven, and those who blaspheme the Holy Ghost are in peril of eternal damnation.

The Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is simply resisting God's efforts to bring men to repentance. In Christ's Day, Christ was the Comforter, and promised to send Another Comforter Who's Ministry would be specific to conviction of sin.

Prior to Christ the Comforter was the very Word of God.

The "fathers," according to Stephen resisted the Holy Ghost. Those who stoned Stephen...resisted the Holy Ghost. Those that rejected Christ in His ministry to Israel...resisted the Holy Ghost.

And those who reject Christ today...resist the Holy Ghost.





They didn't need to...Christ defined their sin.

Attributing the Work of God to Satan is resisting the truth, and places men in danger of eternal damnation. If that resistance continues, even before death God can view men as having crossed the line, to where He will give them over to their reprobate minds. This will be the case for those who enter into the Tribulation Period, God will, because of their refusal to obey the Gospel (ministered by the Holy Ghost in this Age), give them strong delusion, that they will believe the lie/s they chose to believe.





Believers cannot Blaspheme the Holy Ghost.

There is a difference between grieving and quenching the Holy Ghost, which is usually done in ignorance, as contrasted with the willful rejection of the truth by those who are not born again believers:


2 Peter 2:20-22

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.


In this Age the rejection is specific to Christ, but, it is the Holy Ghost Who is being rejected, because that is how God reveals truth to the natural man.

And just as we see that men Pre-Cross and Pre-Pentecost had no excuse for rejecting that which God reveals to all men...


Romans 1:18-21

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


Romans 2:13-15

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP](For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)


...we also understand that those attributing Christ's Work to Satan had no excuse.

And if you take a look back at Hebrews 10:26-29, you will see that those who do despite unto the Spirit of Grace will be punished more severely than those who rejected Moses Law (the Covenant of Law), because they reject in full knowledge that which God has revealed to them, and this exceeds the natural testimony all men have, because it is specific and direct revelation of Christ Himself.

There remains no more sacrifice for sins for those who reject the Sacrifice of Christ, and go so far as to trod Him under their feet and count His Blood unholy.

That is, in my view, the Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.


God bless.

Hi the mark 3: 22 and verses 23 to 30 is consistent with the other gospels verse 30 said he has an "unclean spirit" They said Jesus had one not that the holy Spirit was one and Jesus was let them know what they said about him and his work being attribute to the work of the devil was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit But they were speaking about Jesus and not the Holy Spirit it was Jesus who informed them to what they did not know. The question I have for you is if they did blasphemy the Holy Spirit then they did the unforgivable and they are eternally lost right? is that the conclusion of those chapters?

 

[Ahwatukee]

It's interesting that people seem to have different ideas or theories on what the unforgivable sin is and how one commits it. You would think if there were this sin you could easily fall into, Jesus would have made it clear exactly what it is. Instead, he didn't and all anyone can do is guess.

I disagree! Jesus made blasphemy against the Spirit perfectly clear. Please see post #10

 

[ember]

Originally Posted by ember

first you state it was confusing...then you get a little smart aleckly about it and throw in things I never stated

that does not work for me

happy to discuss what I actually stated within normal conversational perimeters between folks who are supposed to be believers

I don't do snarky

you know very well I never said nor did I hint at someone who is cessationist as being unsaved

That, is all YOUR OWN doing...that is what I mean by snarky



I think there may have been a miscommunication somewhere, I had am not being nor had I any intention of being "snarky'. Everything I said was serious. My original response was to RickyZ who mentioned Cessationism in response to justpassingthrough.

you did quote me though...so how would I know you were addressing Ricky? but fair enough


Justpassingthrough: "There are many today who call themselves Christians, yet claim there is no more Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and so they call the spirit by which someone who has been Baptized in the Holy Spirit and speaks in new tongues, the Devil.

That is a clear and modern day example of blaspheming the Holy Spirit."


RickyZ: "Which is exactly why Cessationism is such an incredibly dangerous theology."

well you have justpassingthrough and Ricky's response, but then you quote me...so? I NEVER called a cessationist one who blasphemes...however, there is a line that can be crossed and apparently the Pharisees crossed it when they ascribed to the devil the works Jesus did

there are people today who say that all speaking in tongues is demonic...I'll be among the first to admit to abuse, but mocking and calling everything demonic is crossing the line as far as I can tell...fine to point out what is wrong...but ignorance only goes so far...when one begins to address all manifestations of the Holy Spirit as being of the devil, something is off and I agree that it is dangerous to mock what you don't understand...as far as I can tell, it is always ok to question...even God allows questions from a sincere heart and not one that is mocking...hope that makes sense

Originally Posted by Andrew1

I find this statement confusing, I am aware that the passage is about calling what is of God as being from the devil. My point was he was implying being a cessationist is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost and couldn't be forgiven. As far as I can tell, I'm a cessationist, or at least deny that the Charismatics are using them correctly. I guess I can't be saved now. Misunderstanding the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost has caused a lot of unnecessary fear among Christians and nobody needs to go around perpetuating that fear. Being a cessationist is not the unpardonable sin, there is no unpardonable sin. The only thing that is unpardonable is a heart that doesn't want to be pardoned. The vilest offender who truly believes that moment from Jesus a pardon receives.

this thread is about what blasphemy actually entails...no need to fear...discussion is viable...twisting and leaving things out helps no one

see, above where you say 'you guess you are no longer saved if you are a cessationist'...I took that remark as being snarky...if I read that wrong, I apologize...but I never said that. I refer to mocking and calling everything demonic as the problem...the Bible does not say you have to speak in tongues or even a have gift in order to be saved; BUT Jesus does warn about blasphemy and ascribing to the devil the works of the Holy Spirit

 

[ember]

Originally Posted by Stranger36147

It's interesting that people seem to have different ideas or theories on what the unforgivable sin is and how one commits it. You would think if there were this sin you could easily fall into, Jesus would have made it clear exactly what it is. Instead, he didn't and all anyone can do is guess.



I disagree! Jesus made blasphemy against the Spirit perfectly clear. Please see post #10

exactly

you cannot fall into any sin really, but Jesus was very clear, IMO, on what blasphemy is

I agree that mocking is just not a good thing to do period...about anything!

 

[PeterJens]

My point was he was implying being a cessationist is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost

I think some people within the cessationist group could qualify for this term. My daughter was showing me on sunday a video of a preacher talking about the absurdity of tongues, and how he was speaking in tongues when a believer who did not agree with tongues heared a text is old romanianion that was a verse tatooed on his fathers back.

Similarly people in our church spoke a prayer in portugese which was translated word for word in english in a service.
So something can appear crazy and be inspired by the Lord.

I think this is why we have to be cautious, because walking in the spirit is often beyond our normal definition of rational.
By the Lord does taken offence and the Spirit can be quenched. Equally there are people amongst us who do feel so strongly they say something rash which is real sin and causes real harm to them.

So I personally do not think being a cessasionalist is blasphemy, it mainly is being honest, but it could lead to such a thing.