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Mitspa

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I can understand why you would make that connection, but its not one I make.

Maybe because here in the UK guns are a non issue.

We'll just agree to disagree maybe lol
Well God forbid that some of those nuts get a few guns over there and its really almost a sure thing that they will.... bad guys will always get guns if they want them bad enough.... Here we have guns and these thugs will be stopped where the citizens are armed...its really that simple
 

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So far Obama fails to mention Islamic terrorism ...dotless:p
 

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I can't believe what's happening in France! I have four French colleagues in my work place that I will meet tomorrow. I hope their friends and families are ok. I pray that this madness stops!

First Charlie Hebdo, now this? Muslims really hate France and I don't understand why. I mean, why do you come to live in a country that you hate so much?
 
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Mitspa

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Yes, they are. It's hard on their part though. Tbh, either way, if they didn't accept the refugees, we'd still be seeing news of people killed by these ruthless terrorists, just not in Europe though. It would be in their home countries. So I wouldn't blame them for taking this upon themselves. It would be wise to avoid it, but the refugees are people too. It's a tough call. The results would've been the same either way.
No, a country is supposed to protect their own people first..and then if possible help others. These people "refugees" did not have to be let into these countries but could have been provided food or whatever in their own country... The fact is that they should not expect a nation to just open up the doors and let them in.
 

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A Canadian TV network just quoted a "security expert" as saying that these attacks were very typical of "Islamic terrorists." Hmm, that should stop Obama and Trudeau in their tracks.

I have to wonder if the things France did to its colonies that were Muslim is part of the resentment? Over 160 dead, the various media are now saying.

I wonder if any of these countries so anxious to take refugees will have a change of thought? I can only hope!
 

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A Canadian TV network just quoted a "security expert" as saying that these attacks were very typical of "Islamic terrorists." Hmm, that should stop Obama and Trudeau in their tracks.
Yes! They are typical of Islamic terrorists.

Going armed and masked and cowardly killing innocent, unarmed people, is typical for Muslim terrorists!
 
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I can't believe what's happening in France! I have four French colleagues in my work place that I will meet tomorrow. I hope their friends and families are ok. I pray that this madness stops!

First Charlie Hebdo, now this? Muslims really hate France and I don't understand why. I mean, why do you come to live in a country that you hate so much?
Hate is what their religion is centered around. They move into a country to cause as much chaos and take as many lives as they can by whatever means they can. They do not even love their selves. They are just as ready to die as they are to kill so they can go see Allah.
 
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No, a country is supposed to protect their own people first..and then if possible help others. These people "refugees" did not have to be let into these countries but could have been provided food or whatever in their own country... The fact is that they should not expect a nation to just open up the doors and let them in.
It's true that the refugees can't expect other nations to just accept them. It would have been right for Europe not to take them in. Perhaps I'm looking at this from a humanistic point of view. Like say, if we were to make the decision. It was obvious to Europe, these governments aren't stupid, that taking these refugees in, means accepting the risk. And this is the result of it. However, would it have made them feel 'right' if they did the opposite, and now watching the death of these refugees in their own countries, by their own people, knowing that they could've have helped in some way.

I think the people who made the decision to take these refugees in, faced the same dilemma:

Take them in and accept the risk.
Let them be and live the regret.

Either way would have been morally wrong, and morally right. It's the humanistic values (can't say Christian values, because this wasn't a decision made by Christians officials alone) that got the better of them, the 'greater good' or the 'human cause' whatever it is they call it. But this is the price they have to pay.

If the decision was mine, I would have probably done the same, and took them in. Which is why I'm not a government official, cause I wouldn't have made a difference. If there was a strategic way to handle this, a win-win situation, I probably have my blinders on, because I can't see that.
 
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I can't believe what's happening in France! I have four French colleagues in my work place that I will meet tomorrow. I hope their friends and families are ok. I pray that this madness stops!

First Charlie Hebdo, now this? Muslims really hate France and I don't understand why. I mean, why do you come to live in a country that you hate so much?
The enemy seeks only to destroy. Praying for you and your friends and their families. Waiting to get word can be so painful and frightening. Father in heaven, please bless GW and her friends with your calming presence, let them know you are with them, Lord, as we pray for those in France falling victim to these violent enemies of your truth, masquerading as a religion of peace while they lie and cause terror and destruction. Bless our friends, brothers and sisters with your True peace in Jesus' name, amen.
Also, Lord, keep us as believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, keep us vigilant, and to not be fooled by attempts by the enemy to lull us with PC platitudes, and cries for complacency. Lord, we do care for refugees, but cowardly muslum terrorists are hiding amongst them and infiltrating, taking advantage of peoples efforts to help our fellow human beings. Help us to be more aware of these cowardly tricks, Father, help us be both wise and loving, and to be people of the Truth in Jesus. Amen.
 

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Hate is what their religion is centered around. They move into a country to cause as much chaos and take as many lives as they can by whatever means they can. They do not even love their selves. They are just as ready to die as they are to kill so they can go see Allah.
They are frustrated people who can not stand the truth about them and in lack of arguments they annihilate you.
 
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Mitspa

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It's true that the refugees can't expect other nations to just accept them. It would have been right for Europe not to take them in. Perhaps I'm looking at this from a humanistic point of view. Like say, if we were to make the decision. It was obvious to Europe, these governments aren't stupid, that taking these refugees in, means accepting the risk. And this is the result of it. However, would it have made them feel 'right' if they did the opposite, and now watching the death of these refugees in their own countries, by their own people, knowing that they could've have helped in some way.

I think the people who made the decision to take these refugees in, faced the same dilemma:

Take them in and accept the risk.
Let them be and live the regret.

Either way would have been morally wrong, and morally right. It's the humanistic values (can't say Christian values, because this wasn't a decision made by Christians officials alone) that got the better of them, the 'greater good' or the 'human cause' whatever it is they call it. But this is the price they have to pay.

If the decision was mine, I would have probably done the same, and took them in. Which is why I'm not a government official, cause I wouldn't have made a difference. If there was a strategic way to handle this, a win-win situation, I probably have my blinders on, because I can't see that.
Yea..if your entrusted by your people to protect them and care for them and then allow a bunch of criminals in and they harm the people you was supposed to protect..thats wrong. Do you just allow anyone off the street to move in with your family? No you try to help them and maybe get them to a mission or whatever. Even God don't allow wolves into His Flock..no matter how many claim to be sheep, we are supposed to use wisdom and judgment and not just act based upon emotions.
 
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[video=youtube;44vzMNG2fZc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc[/video]
 

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The enemy seeks only to destroy.
Muslim terrorists only believe in death. They are the true atheists. They use religious beliefs to justify their desire and hunger for death. God is not a terrorist and does not work with terrorists, the Enemy does (like you said). But the enemy won't prevail. These attacks make people to be more united.


Praying for you and your friends and their families. Waiting to get word can be so painful and frightening. Father in heaven, please bless GW and her friends with your calming presence, let them know you are with them, Lord, as we pray for those in France falling victim to these violent enemies of your truth, masquerading as a religion of peace while they lie and cause terror and destruction. Bless our friends, brothers and sisters with your True peace in Jesus' name, amen.
Also, Lord, keep us as believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, keep us vigilant, and to not be fooled by attempts by the enemy to lull us with PC platitudes, and cries for complacency. Lord, we do care for refugees, but cowardly muslum terrorists are hiding amongst them and infiltrating, taking advantage of peoples efforts to help our fellow human beings. Help us to be more aware of these cowardly tricks, Father, help us be both wise and loving, and to be people of the Truth in Jesus. Amen.
Thank you!
 
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Abing

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Yea..if your entrusted by your people to protect them and care for them and then allow a bunch of criminals in and they harm the people you was supposed to protect..thats wrong. Do you just allow anyone off the street to move in with your family? No you try to help them and maybe get them to a mission or whatever. Even God don't allow wolves into His Flock..no matter how many claim to be sheep, we are supposed to use wisdom and judgment and not just act based upon emotions.
This reminds me of the life of Corrie Ten Boom, her sister and her father in WWII, during the holocaust. They faced the same dilemma, although in a much smaller scale. They were Christians and had Jewish friends. They could've gone the safer route, and not let any of the Jews in, to save themselves. But they were weirdos and did the opposite, endangered their lives and everyone in their families (even those who didn't live with them anymore, Corrie's 2 other siblings). They opened their house for the Jews, and helped them forge identity papers, find a place to live and helped them survive. They're all dead now, even Corrie's nephews and nieces died in German camp, and they weren't even Jews. Corrie, did survive and she wrote about it. I think, in so many ways, this mirrors current events.

If it's right or wrong, I don't know.
 
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Mitspa

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Did I just hear that the the EU demanded interacial breeding and that's part of this nonsense?
 

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I don't think this is a "moral" decision per se, so talking about right or wrong is moot here. I think it depends on what your calling is and whether you are heeding to it or not. In the case of Corrie ten Boom or Rahab (from the Bible), I think their calling was to shelter the oppressed and to provide an escape route for them. Eventually, God considers that alone, and the rest has little significance.

If God has called someone to provide a shelter to the Syrian refugees, even if they are Muslims, then that person has to provide a shelter to the Syrian refugees. He/she cannot reason with God and say, "Lord, but they could be terrorists!" God would probably reply, "And you were a sinner before I saved you!"
 
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Mitspa

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This reminds me of the life of Corrie Ten Boom, her sister and her father in WWII, during the holocaust. They faced the same dilemma, although in a much smaller scale. They were Christians and had Jewish friends. They could've gone the safer route, and not let any of the Jews in, to save themselves. But they were weirdos and did the opposite, endangered their lives and everyone in their families (even those who didn't live with them anymore, Corrie's 2 other siblings). They opened their house for the Jews, and helped them forge identity papers, find a place to live and helped them survive. They're all dead now, even Corrie's nephews and nieces died in German camp, and they weren't even Jews. Corrie, did survive and she wrote about it. I think, in so many ways, this mirrors current events.

If it's right or wrong, I don't know.
Abing...its not the same at all.... these people are in a religion of murder and hate ...do you take dangerous people into your home? Do you put your family in danger of being raped or killed? I take people into my home often..but I have a good idea of their emotional state and their intentions. n fact I allow the Lord to guide me... and often the Lord tells me to stay away from certain people.