Breaking News Terror In Paris

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blue_ladybug

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Ieatglitter, unfortunately there are many, many hateful and prejudicial people on this site, and that is sad. As to Mitspa's comment about any nation that lets in Muslims, well HELLO!!! America has opened it's doors to alot of Muslims.. :/ And now America is "reaping what it has sown."
 
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Tintin

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Sure, there are plenty of peaceful Muslims, but that doesn't make Islam a peaceful religion. The Muslim extremists are behaving consistently based on the Quran, while something like Westboro Baptist Church aren't behaving consistently based on God's Word, the Bible. It's really apples and oranges, but let's not beat around the bush. A spade is a spade is a spade. And all of this fighting goes much further back than the US dabbling in the Middle East. Think before the Ottoman Empire days, think further back than the Crusades. Think back to the conflict that incited the Christians to take back their nations from the Muslims (the real reasons for the Crusades). Perhaps the conflict began even earlier.
 
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Ieatglitter, unfortunately there are many, many hateful and prejudicial people on this site, and that is sad. As to Mitspa's comment about any nation that lets in Muslims, well HELLO!!! America has opened it's doors to alot of Muslims.. :/ And now America is "reaping what it has sown."
"Reaping what it has sown"? Prejudice means to pre-judge a group or whatever ...I think the whole world has tried to give this muslim religion the benefit of the doubt...I also think that left-wing nonsense and silly terms like prejudice is getting people killed.... I would not allow another muslim into this country if it where up to me..its not.

look this religion has shown what it is again and again if some of you want to pretend its not a religion of murder and slavery that's on you...I have judged the issue based on the facts ...that's not prejudice, thats not hate thats common sense .
 
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I came here to give a real interpretation about what is going on in Paris. I'm currently married to a French man and live in Paris and I'm so...disgusted and shocked at some of the comments on this post. So, let me explain some things:

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No one in this country is asking for any of this. First I hear American's screaming to Europe to help the refugee's because they see a picture of a dead boy on a beach...and now I'm reading and hearing xenophobic comments about how they shouldn't let them in. What are people suppose to do? Tell these broken refugees, who are trying to flee the same horror as the recent events in Paris, to go away? Or help them and later be condemned when such an atrocious act happens? Things are a way more complicated than that. Most of the refugee and immigration crap in Europe wouldn't be going on if the US government would stopped destroying all of these countries and then putting guns in the hands of the wrong people. If you research more deeply you will notice the immigration influx started when the US began invading these middle eastern countries and after bombing Syria, this made it even worse...so when you think about, we kind of have our own government to thank for this issue now in Paris. Others countries simply followed suit with the bombing because the US is their ally.

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...............I really can't even...ugh!


Angela53510

No, I see women wearing the hijab all the time here. It just isn't allowed to be worn for their ID pictures.

Mitspa

The gun laws are strict, meaning that people have to get a permit but it is way harder to do than in the US. Bad people everywhere can get guns...if they're that intent and psychotic about it. France doesn't want a repeat of what is going on in the US, you know, American's killing each other and shooting up schools. These attacks this year are the worst since WWII, France is typically a peaceful place.
I'm just so sick of this topic though. It seems every American has to bring up the whole, "Well...if they had em some guns then it'd be allllright." No, please...

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So...we're suppose to give them food "or whatever" in their own country? What, while they are getting shot at and bombs exploding next to them? I think you need to tell Europe about this, seems like an awesome plan.

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people in this post are talking about ALL Muslims like they're all terrorists. There is a different between a radical, psychotic Muslim vs. the Muslims I see everyday. Example: Christians vs Westboro Baptist Church. Yeah, Westboro Baptist Church don't blow things up or kill people (have they really not done this yet...? I'm surprised) but it likes apples to oranges here people.

Personally, I have made friends with Muslims here and the Muslims I know are the sweetest most wonderful people I have met. I may not agree with their religion and they don't agree with mine but I get along with them just fine. As for the Muslim refugee's, well my best friend here works with these people and I also recently had French classes with a lot of them (it was mandatory for me to study French as the wife of a French citizen and they were sent their too by the government) and you could just see the pain, defeat, and hurt in their eyes.

I don't understand how people can speak so cruelly about a group of people that they haven't even met...I see it EVERYDAY here. You do not understand. So please, stop with the xenophobic comments...it's disturbing.

As for Paris, today I will go with my husband to one of the sites bataclan, which is where over 100 were killed. Someone he worked with was killed there.

If anything the people here just need people to pray. There is this eerie silence...people won't look each other in the eye...
I was here for Charlie Hebdo and now this...and I'm a bit scared.

So pray people and stop with the hate and prejudice remarks...that is NEVER going to fix anything.
look lady the reason people died is because people like you have been telling other people that's its wrong to call evil what it is... you can live in a left-wing fantasy world where you use PC terms to explain away the truth.... not me and not many others who have enough sense to see what is going on is insane.... as a Christian ...to defend this religion and the evil it causes is "evil" now how you like that term?
 
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Every time one of these attacks take place ..we see the so-called "peaceful" muslims dancing in the street ...
 
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Some people in this post are talking about ALL Muslims like they're all terrorists. There is a different between a radical, psychotic Muslim vs. the Muslims I see everyday. Example: Christians vs Westboro Baptist Church. Yeah, Westboro Baptist Church don't blow things up or kill people (have they really not done this yet...? I'm surprised) but it likes apples to oranges here people.

Personally, I have made friends with Muslims here and the Muslims I know are the sweetest most wonderful people I have met. I may not agree with their religion and they don't agree with mine but I get along with them just fine. As for the Muslim refugee's, well my best friend here works with these people and I also recently had French classes with a lot of them (it was mandatory for me to study French as the wife of a French citizen and they were sent their too by the government) and you could just see the pain, defeat, and hurt in their eyes.

I don't understand how people can speak so cruelly about a group of people that they haven't even met...I see it EVERYDAY here. You do not understand. So please, stop with the xenophobic comments...it's disturbing.

As for Paris, today I will go with my husband to one of the sites bataclan, which is where over 100 were killed. Someone he worked with was killed there.

If anything the people here just need people to pray. There is this eerie silence...people won't look each other in the eye...
I was here for Charlie Hebdo and now this...and I'm a bit scared.

So pray people and stop with the hate and prejudice remarks...that is NEVER going to fix anything.
This. Yes to all of this.
 
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Brother_J_BELGIUM

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I don't know what to say, it's just horrible that acts like these are carried out more and more in our Western world. My heart goes out to the families of the victims. Unfortunately, this won't be the last terrorist attack and I expect things like these to happen more often.
 
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Mitspa

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Maybe when these monsters take over in the west you women will stop talking so much...and driving and walking around uncovered, and going to school etc... They will put you all in your place :p
 
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Brother_J_BELGIUM

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Sure, there are plenty of peaceful Muslims, but that doesn't make Islam a peaceful religion. The Muslim extremists are behaving consistently based on the Quran, while something like Westboro Baptist Church aren't behaving consistently based on God's Word, the Bible. It's really apples and oranges, but let's not beat around the bush. A spade is a spade is a spade. And all of this fighting goes much further back than the US dabbling in the Middle East. Think before the Ottoman Empire days, think further back than the Crusades. Think back to the conflict that incited the Christians to take back their nations from the Muslims (the real reasons for the Crusades). Perhaps the conflict began even earlier.
Well said, Tintin.
 
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Sure, there are plenty of peaceful Muslims, but that doesn't make Islam a peaceful religion. The Muslim extremists are behaving consistently based on the Quran, while something like Westboro Baptist Church aren't behaving consistently based on God's Word, the Bible. It's really apples and oranges, but let's not beat around the bush. A spade is a spade is a spade. And all of this fighting goes much further back than the US dabbling in the Middle East. Think before the Ottoman Empire days, think further back than the Crusades. Think back to the conflict that incited the Christians to take back their nations from the Muslims (the real reasons for the Crusades). Perhaps the conflict began even earlier.
I never said that Islam wasn't a violent religion...but peaceful Muslims are NOT the issue here. It's radical and mentally disturbed people. Imagine growing up in a war torn country and a gun is placed into your hand at a young age, they drill it into your head that this is right, that if you don't do this or that then you will die, that if you kill yourself for this purpose then you will be rewarded after death. Christianity had it's own problem with people like this for a LONG time but it has changed in the past 100 years...we just have idiots like the westboro baptist church.

The real reason is that these groups of extremist have been created are because of RECENT events, as in the past 20 years ago...not 1000 years ago. As I stated, a lot of the countries and cities in the middle east were a lot more peaceful until the US started messing around before and after 9/11...
 
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Abing

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I never said that Islam wasn't a violent religion...but peaceful Muslims are NOT the issue here. It's radical and mentally disturbed people. Imagine growing up in a war torn country and a gun is placed into your hand at a young age, they drill it into your head that this is right, that if you don't do this or that then you will die, that if you kill yourself for this purpose then you will be rewarded after death. Christianity had it's own problem with people like this for a LONG time but it has changed in the past 100 years...we just have idiots like the westboro baptist church.

The real reason is that these groups of extremist have been created are because of RECENT events, as in the past 20 years ago...not 1000 years ago. As I stated, a lot of the countries and cities in the middle east were a lot more peaceful until the US started messing around before and after 9/11...
Haven't read all recent posts here, but I just wanted to point this out. This conflict has been in existence since Esau and Jacob. It is not because of recent events. America has nothing to do with how these people ended up like this. And if we look back, the ancient times were even more barbaric. I have to agree with Tintin. The religion itself, the faith the Quran, has always been anti Christian. We're not against the Muslims because they are people. But evil is evil and can't be half good.
 
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look lady the reason people died is because people like you have been telling other people that's its wrong to call evil what it is... you can live in a left-wing fantasy world where you use PC terms to explain away the truth.... not me and not many others who have enough sense to see what is going on is insane.... as a Christian ...to defend this religion and the evil it causes is "evil" now how you like that term?
You and a few others are misinterpreting what I said. I NEVER defended Islam...if I remember correctly I was defending people...people who are actually good. People who had nothing to do with what happened. One of my dearest friends here is Muslim and he doesn't understand people like you because the way you think of Muslims are kind of how extremist Muslim's think of us Christian's... You're filled with hate and prejudice views that you aren't a shining beacon of what a Christian is.

This dear Muslim friend of mine said that he couldn't believe that I was actually being nice to him. I asked him why he said this and he told me that many Christians, like yourself there Mitspa (maybe you're not Christian, not sure), call him evil, try to stare him down, have even spit on him, and treat him like he's the plague when he walks by. I had to explain to this man that this isn't what Christianity is really about and that we're suppose to be like Jesus....and I didn't see a lot of people on this post being like Jesus...

Are you surrounded by Muslims everyday? Do you talk with them face to face? Or are you getting these ideas that all Muslims are evil from Fox News...hmmmm. I see them everyday when I'm walking down the street, in my class, when I socialize...you see the majority of them on TV, I'm sure...

I won't respond anymore to someone so...blind because I can't even comprehend how your brain works. There are evil people in every religion and unfortunately Islam has MANY extremists and their word is wrong...but that doesn't mean that all of it's followers are evil and it doesn't mean that people like me should or will get killed by them because I choose to be kind.
If I were to murdered by one of them (most ridiculous thing I have had to talk about hypothetically) , I would at least die knowing that I was kind and did my best to represent my beliefs instead of being a closed minded xenophobic.

Regardless, GBU and a great day.
 
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Abing

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I don't know what to say, it's just horrible that acts like these are carried out more and more in our Western world. My heart goes out to the families of the victims. Unfortunately, this won't be the last terrorist attack and I expect things like these to happen more often.
There will be more, brother. So hang in there. Now is the time for Christians to move forward. Our weapon is love, theirs is death. Needless to say, there will be lots of deaths. But we have hope, we'll just have to keep reaching out to as many lost souls as we can.

Maybe when these monsters take over in the west you women will stop talking so much...and driving and walking around uncovered, and going to school etc... They will put you all in your place :p
I will take that as a joke cause I know you don't mean to offend women. ;)
 

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look lady the reason people died is because people like you have been telling other people that's its wrong to call evil what it is... you can live in a left-wing fantasy world where you use PC terms to explain away the truth.... not me and not many others who have enough sense to see what is going on is insane.... as a Christian ...to defend this religion and the evil it causes is "evil" now how you like that term?
Isn't that what the enemy wants? Blaming others and turning it into a political debate? Playing into the enemy's hands.
 
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Brother_J_BELGIUM

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I never said that Islam wasn't a violent religion...but peaceful Muslims are NOT the issue here. It's radical and mentally disturbed people. Imagine growing up in a war torn country and a gun is placed into your hand at a young age, they drill it into your head that this is right, that if you don't do this or that then you will die, that if you kill yourself for this purpose then you will be rewarded after death. Christianity had it's own problem with people like this for a LONG time but it has changed in the past 100 years...we just have idiots like the westboro baptist church.

The real reason is that these groups of extremist have been created are because of RECENT events, as in the past 20 years ago...not 1000 years ago. As I stated, a lot of the countries and cities in the middle east were a lot more peaceful until the US started messing around before and after 9/11...
Please read some books of history about the Middle East wars ignited by the Ottomans and Muslim armies of Mohammed himself, please! "Make war upon the infidels wherever you find them", their Quran says. Mohammed himself showed them what they had to do: wage war and conquer.
 

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Haven't read all recent posts here, but I just wanted to point this out. This conflict has been in existence since Esau and Jacob. It is not because of recent events. America has nothing to do with how these people ended up like this. And if we look back, the ancient times were even more barbaric. I have to agree with Tintin. The religion itself, the faith the Quran, has always been anti Christian. We're not against the Muslims because they are people. But evil is evil and can't be half good.
Yeah, I would have to agree on this particular point that the lack of peace in that region is nothing new. Perhaps the media not being as prevalent made it seem so. You can even look back to 1947 with the Partition Plan and all of that and Jewish buses being attacked the very next day. It was never peaceful.

However, I also agree with others that it's wrong to put all muslims under the same umbrella with these extremists. There are peaceful muslims. Not all of them are evil or believe in evil things. I actually have a friend who is muslim myself and he is very peaceful and not against christians whatsoever. It's unfortunate that the good ones deal with the stereotypes and prejudices created by the bad ones.
 

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Yeah, I would have to agree on this particular point that the lack of peace in that region is nothing new. Perhaps the media not being as prevalent made it seem so. You can even look back to 1947 with the Partition Plan and all of that and Jewish buses being attacked the very next day. It was never peaceful.

However, I also agree with others that it's wrong to put all muslims under the same umbrella with these extremists. There are peaceful muslims. Not all of them are evil or believe in evil things. I actually have a friend who is muslim myself and he is very peaceful and not against christians whatsoever. It's unfortunate that the good ones deal with the stereotypes and prejudices created by the bad ones.
Exactly. That's like saying every single Christian is good, when that's far from the case. We try to make excuses for those that give us a bad name, but do the complete opposite for those that aren't.
 
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Please read some books of history about the Middle East wars ignited by the Ottomans and Muslim armies of Mohammed himself, please! "Make war upon the infidels wherever you find them", their Quran says. Mohammed himself showed them what they had to do: wage war and conquer.
I am NOT talking about ISLAM itself, I'm talking about it's good and bad people...and not all Muslims believe the quote that you placed so I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I'm NOT talking about the past either, I'm talking about current events in the past 20 years that cause these types of incidents. I don't need a history lesson, I had to study the Islamic religion in a comparative religion's class, I wrote a 25 page paper about it...I know the history and standing of Islam.

Ahhh, you're from Belgium...do you speak Dutch or French, or both?
 
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Brother_J_BELGIUM

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I am NOT talking about ISLAM itself, I'm talking about it's good and bad people...and not all Muslims believe the quote that you placed so I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I'm NOT talking about the past either, I'm talking about current events in the past 20 years that cause these types of incidents. I don't need a history lesson, I had to study the Islamic religion in a comparative religion's class, I wrote a 25 page paper about it...I know the history and standing of Islam.

Ahhh, you're from Belgium...do you speak Dutch or French, or both?
Ok then, I understand you're trying to show the differences between the people and a religion. I agree that there are nice 'Muslims' but to be a Muslim means to "submit to Allah and his prophet" right? Then how can we compare these nice people who claim to be Muslims with the ones who really obey Allah and Mohammed (ISIS).

Well... the events that happened in the last 20 years that helped create this chaos are not the only cause of all this terrorism. After WWI, the Ottoman Empire was abolished by the West (because they were a threat to Europe). And now ISIS and other Islamic terrorist groups are literally speaking of this event in history and using it as a pretext to now invade and (re)conquer Europe.

Yeah, I'm living in Flanders so my native language is Dutch, I do speak some French though. :)
 
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Mitspa

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I never said that Islam wasn't a violent religion...but peaceful Muslims are NOT the issue here. It's radical and mentally disturbed people. Imagine growing up in a war torn country and a gun is placed into your hand at a young age, they drill it into your head that this is right, that if you don't do this or that then you will die, that if you kill yourself for this purpose then you will be rewarded after death. Christianity had it's own problem with people like this for a LONG time but it has changed in the past 100 years...we just have idiots like the westboro baptist church.

The real reason is that these groups of extremist have been created are because of RECENT events, as in the past 20 years ago...not 1000 years ago. As I stated, a lot of the countries and cities in the middle east were a lot more peaceful until the US started messing around before and after 9/11...
That's nonsense and a rejection of the complete history of this religion ..it has been a religion of murder and war from its foundation and start... to compare these killers to some odd ball group in the US shows the ignorance or your logic ...