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Mitspa

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Yeah, I would have to agree on this particular point that the lack of peace in that region is nothing new. Perhaps the media not being as prevalent made it seem so. You can even look back to 1947 with the Partition Plan and all of that and Jewish buses being attacked the very next day. It was never peaceful.

However, I also agree with others that it's wrong to put all muslims under the same umbrella with these extremists. There are peaceful muslims. Not all of them are evil or believe in evil things. I actually have a friend who is muslim myself and he is very peaceful and not against christians whatsoever. It's unfortunate that the good ones deal with the stereotypes and prejudices created by the bad ones.
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Where are these groups of peaceful muslims .... dancing in the streets when westerners are killed? In no place this religion is established has that nation known any peace ... This is like saying all Nazis are not bad.... some are peaceful. The very core of their belief system is corrupt ,hatful and violent.
 
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Ieatglitter, unfortunately there are many, many hateful and prejudicial people on this site, and that is sad. As to Mitspa's comment about any nation that lets in Muslims, well HELLO!!! America has opened it's doors to alot of Muslims.. :/ And now America is "reaping what it has sown."
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Exactly. People will look for any excuse they can to discriminate against another race or religion. To show how ridiculous their arguments are, I could take the fact that white people committed mass murders in movie theatres and schools and say, "Well we need to ban all white people from America because of all these mass shootings." People will find any reason they can to discriminate against someone that is not like them.
 
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Mitspa

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phil38111 said:
Exactly. People will look for any excuse they can to discriminate against another race or religion. To show how ridiculous their arguments are, I could take the fact that white people committed mass murders in movie theatres and schools and say, "Well we need to ban all white people from America because of all these mass shootings." People will find any reason they can to discriminate against someone that is not like them.
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Dude do you understand that white people are already the majority in America ...and the issue is do you want to allow another group that clearly has proven itself to be violent into our nation? This PC nonsense is getting people killed..

Would you have supported Nazis being allowed to migrate to the US?
 
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Mitspa said:
Dude do you understand that white people are already the majority in America ...and the issue is do you want to allow another group that clearly has proven itself to be violent into our nation? This PC nonsense is getting people.




Every group has proven theirselves violent in one form or fashion. Do we ban everyone??? Gangbangin in Chicago. Do we ban minorities? The mass shootings at schools do we ban whites? The thing is not all muslims are terrorists, the same way not all minorities are gangsters, and not all white people are maniacs that shoot up schools and movie theatres. We could find an excuse to ban any group we want. Its not about being politically correct it's about being correct. You accuse me of trying to be politically correct, yet you have not found anything wrong with my argument. What does that say?
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Every group has proven theirselves violent in one form or fashion. Do we ban everyone??? Gangbangin in Chicago. Do we ban minorities? The mass shootings at schools do we ban whites? The thing is not all muslims are terrorists, the same way not all minorities are gangsters, and not all white people are maniacs that shoot up schools and movie theatres. We could find an excuse to ban any group we want. Its not about being politically correct it's about being correct. You accuse me of trying to be politically correct, yet you have not found anything wrong with my argument. What does that say?
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Yes we look at every group and if that group holds hateful and violent ideas we assume they actually believe what they claim to believe ...we don't act based on PC emotions but we act based on reason and logic ...I would have banned white Nazis and any group or person that is associated with a group that would harm our society. Your argument is silly in that you deny the evident fact that this is not based on "race" but a belief system and how that belief system has proven itself to be unacceptable.

I don't care what color a person is white ,black or brown....if your part of a group like the muslim religion or Nazis party...or a street gang ..or the Mafia .... I don't want you in my country
 
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Mitspa said:
Yes we look at every group and if that group holds hateful and violent ideas we assume they actually believe what they claim to believe ...we don't act based on PC emotions but we act based on reason and logic ...I would have banned white Nazis and any group or person that is associated with a group that would harm our society. Your argument is silly in that you deny the evident fact that this is not based on "race" but a belief system and how that belief system has proven itself to be unacceptable.

I don't care what color a person is white ,black or brown....if your part of a group like the muslim religion or Nazis party...or a street gang ..or the Mafia .... I don't want you in my country
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I understand what you are saying. You claim that the Islamic belief system is harmful. But you do understand that there are different denominations of Islam the same way there are different denominations of christianity. Not all muslims believe in murdering infidels beleive it or not. In fact I have met muslims that had to flee their country because they were fighting against the radical muslims that believe this way. Nazis and kkk people usually call themselves christians. I suppose they would be the bad apples of christianity the same way the muslim terrorists would be the bad apples of Islam.
 
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Mitspa said:
Where are these groups of peaceful muslims .... dancing in the streets when westerners are killed? In no place this religion is established has that nation known any peace ... This is like saying all Nazis are not bad.... some are peaceful. The very core of their belief system is corrupt ,hatful and violent.
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Well, I never said that any nation of theirs ever knew peace. If you read properly, I said it has never been peaceful. But, I've said my thoughts and I'm not going to get sucked into a never-ending debate lol. Like I said, I know muslims and they are not what you describe and I refuse to label them all the same. If you wish to believe they are all out to get you, that is certainly your right. Agree to disagree.
 
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Mitspa said:
Yes we look at every group and if that group holds hateful and violent ideas we assume they actually believe what they claim to believe ...we don't act based on PC emotions but we act based on reason and logic ...I would have banned white Nazis and any group or person that is associated with a group that would harm our society. Your argument is silly in that you deny the evident fact that this is not based on "race" but a belief system and how that belief system has proven itself to be unacceptable.

I don't care what color a person is white ,black or brown....if your part of a group like the muslim religion or Nazis party...or a street gang ..or the Mafia .... I don't want you in my country
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Christians hold hateful and violent ideas too, Mitspa. Your logic says we ban Christians.
 
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Christians hold hateful and violent ideas too, Mitspa. Your logic says we ban Christians.
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Like? The Bible does not condone violent,hateful ideas. The Quran does.
 
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jsr1221 said:
Christians hold hateful and violent ideas too, Mitspa. Your logic says we ban Christians.
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Turn the other cheek, love your enemies, and bless those that curse you. Real violent ideology right there.
 
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For Muslims to bring back their "savior" they must cleanse the earth of the infidel. Are you Muslim? Then you are an infidel and you are the enemy.You can be blind to it,you can be ignorant of it,you can ignore it but that is a fact. We should pray that more of them come to Christ.The Muslim faith is demonic and keeps people in bondage to satan himself. We need a revival so the chains can be broken.
 
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phil38111 said:
Exactly. People will look for any excuse they can to discriminate against another race or religion. To show how ridiculous their arguments are, I could take the fact that white people committed mass murders in movie theatres and schools and say, "Well we need to ban all white people from America because of all these mass shootings." People will find any reason they can to discriminate against someone that is not like them.
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No where is it written as a binding declaration that White people should kill.

Islam on the other hand . . .
 
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phil38111 said:
I understand what you are saying. You claim that the Islamic belief system is harmful. But you do understand that there are different denominations of Islam the same way there are different denominations of christianity. Not all muslims believe in murdering infidels beleive it or not. In fact I have met muslims that had to flee their country because they were fighting against the radical muslims that believe this way. Nazis and kkk people usually call themselves christians. I suppose they would be the bad apples of christianity the same way the muslim terrorists would be the bad apples of Islam.
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I think this lady gives the student an excellent answer....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrmwB0bwtYQ
 
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kaylagrl said:
Like? The Bible does not condone violent,hateful ideas. The Quran does.
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Never said it did. But lets not act like each and every pronounced Christian is all lovey dovey. Just because the Bible doesn't promote violence doesn't mean there aren't any Christians that are violent.
 
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Turn the other cheek, love your enemies, and bless those that curse you. Real violent ideology right there.
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I was just pointing out one's thinking, and what that thinking is like if we hold the same for Christians.
 
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kaylagrl

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jsr1221 said:
Never said it did. But lets not act like each and every pronounced Christian is all lovey dovey.
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This is expressly different then the Muslim faith and the Quran that tells its followers to kill infidels. The Bible doesnt tell us to kill people who dont believe in Christ. Thats the difference.Their faith tells them to be violent,to behead,that its ok to like if it benefits their faith. Totally different then the Bible.
 
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jsr1221 said:
Never said it did. But lets not act like each and every pronounced Christian is all lovey dovey. Just because the Bible doesn't promote violence doesn't mean there aren't any Christians that are violent.
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I'm not violent by desire, but sometimes by necessity. Where does that place me?
 
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Utah said:
I'm not violent by desire, but sometimes by necessity. Where does that place me?
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I'm not the one that talked about banning. So you're asking the wrong person.
 
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kaylagrl said:
This is expressly different then the Muslim faith and the Quran that tells its followers to kill infidels. The Bible doesnt tell us to kill people who dont believe in Christ. Thats the difference.Their faith tells them to be violent,to behead,that its ok to like if it benefits their faith. Totally different then the Bible.
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I agree but again. Was just pointing out Mitspa's line of logic, and how using said logic could be the same for Christians that do decide a violent stance to "promote religion." Let's stop making excuses for those that do. There's a reason why there's a thing called "Why I love Jesus but hate religion."
 
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jsr1221 said:
I'm not the one that talked about banning. So you're asking the wrong person.
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Woah! I didn't see any mention of banning. I'll have to go back through the thread.
 
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