Christians are not required to keep the law.
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That's the same verse that law-cultists use to try to make it look like we in Christ are under the law of Moses
Christ didn't come to destroy the law, but he did come to destroy satan's power which was the law. Christ abolished the authority of the law to condemn us.
For [Christ] is our peace, who has made both [Jew and gentile] one, destroying the middle wall of the barrier, the enmity, in his flesh; having abolished the law (nomos) of commandments (entoles) contained in ordinances (dogmas); that of the two he should make in himself one new man, so making peace. Ephesians 2:14-15
abolish
G2673 καταργέω katargeo
1. to make entirely idle
GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the NEW TESTAMENT BASED ON SEMANTIC DOMAINS
76.26 καταργέωc: to render ineffective the power or force of something—‘to invalidate, to abolish, to cause not to function.’ τὸν νόμον τῶν ἐντολῶν ἐν δόγμασιν καταργήσας ‘to abolish the Law of commandments consisting of regulations’ Eph 2:15;
Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
destroy
G2647 καταλύω kataluo
1. to loosen down (disintegrate)
2. (by implication) to demolish
GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the NEW TESTAMENT BASED ON SEMANTIC DOMAINS
20.54 καταλύωa; καθαιρέωc; καθαίρεσιςa, εως f: to destroy completely by tearing down and dismantling—‘to destroy, to tear down, destruction.’
καταλύωa: οὐκ ἀφεθήσεται λίθος ἐπὶ λίθῳ ὃς οὐ καταλυθήσεται ‘there will not be one stone left on another which will not be torn down’ Lk 21:6.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
destroy
G2647 καταλύω kataluo
1. to loosen down (disintegrate)
2. (by implication) to demolish
GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the NEW TESTAMENT BASED ON SEMANTIC DOMAINS
20.54 καταλύωa; καθαιρέωc; καθαίρεσιςa, εως f: to destroy completely by tearing down and dismantling—‘to destroy, to tear down, destruction.’
καταλύωa: οὐκ ἀφεθήσεται λίθος ἐπὶ λίθῳ ὃς οὐ καταλυθήσεται ‘there will not be one stone left on another which will not be torn down’ Lk 21:6.
Christ didn't come to destroy the law, but he did come to destroy satan's power which was the law. Christ abolished the authority of the law to condemn us.
For [Christ] is our peace, who has made both [Jew and gentile] one, destroying the middle wall of the barrier, the enmity, in his flesh; having abolished the law (nomos) of commandments (entoles) contained in ordinances (dogmas); that of the two he should make in himself one new man, so making peace. Ephesians 2:14-15
abolish
G2673 καταργέω katargeo
1. to make entirely idle
GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the NEW TESTAMENT BASED ON SEMANTIC DOMAINS
76.26 καταργέωc: to render ineffective the power or force of something—‘to invalidate, to abolish, to cause not to function.’ τὸν νόμον τῶν ἐντολῶν ἐν δόγμασιν καταργήσας ‘to abolish the Law of commandments consisting of regulations’ Eph 2:15;
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I am not here to argue with you. But 2 cor 3: 3 does not say this, I already explained what it said. I am the fulfilment of the law. For all to see. Has nothing to do with ten commandments or any other command.
Your the one who keeps bringing them up my friend, Not me.
The aw is the law The ten commands are part of mosaic law. So I do not know what your argument is.
The law of righteousness is this, Love the Lord your god. Love your Neighbor. In these all the law and prophets are fulfilled.
That is the law written on your hearts.
Your the one who keeps bringing them up my friend, Not me.
The aw is the law The ten commands are part of mosaic law. So I do not know what your argument is.
The law of righteousness is this, Love the Lord your god. Love your Neighbor. In these all the law and prophets are fulfilled.
That is the law written on your hearts.
Love fulfilled the law under the old covenant, however the law was still in place
If a christian stole something, what would their conscience convict them of? They had stolen, or they had failed to love as they should? They would be conscious of sin in regard to stealing, not failing to love as they should. Therefore the law God desires you to keep is placed within you, for through the law you become conscious of sin.
I don't believe there I any law of righteousness. I have already quoted 2cor 3:3. It specifically mentions the law of stone being on tablets of human hearts
This I what Paul states:
Christ is the END of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS for everyone that believeth. Rom 10:4 that is what I believe
He also states:
Therefore no one will be declared RIGHTEOUS by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin rom 3:20
That is what i believe. There I no scripture to support the law God requires you to keep/moral law being done away with, but rather it I on your heart and mind. But there is no law of righteousness concerning it therefore you are under grace
Pauls core gospel message is
Sin shall not be your master for you are not under law(of righteousness) but under grace rom 6:14
The penalty of sin is the true power of sin. That penalty has been removed for the christian
If a christian stole something, what would their conscience convict them of? They had stolen, or they had failed to love as they should? They would be conscious of sin in regard to stealing, not failing to love as they should. Therefore the law God desires you to keep is placed within you, for through the law you become conscious of sin.
I don't believe there I any law of righteousness. I have already quoted 2cor 3:3. It specifically mentions the law of stone being on tablets of human hearts
This I what Paul states:
Christ is the END of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS for everyone that believeth. Rom 10:4 that is what I believe
He also states:
Therefore no one will be declared RIGHTEOUS by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin rom 3:20
That is what i believe. There I no scripture to support the law God requires you to keep/moral law being done away with, but rather it I on your heart and mind. But there is no law of righteousness concerning it therefore you are under grace
Pauls core gospel message is
Sin shall not be your master for you are not under law(of righteousness) but under grace rom 6:14
The penalty of sin is the true power of sin. That penalty has been removed for the christian
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Love was before the law. During the law and after the law.
I do not know where you get your belief, But I can not agree..
If I love some one, I will not sin against them. This is before God gave moses the law. While they had it, and every since up until this day Nothing has changed.
Again the law was given for a purpose.
Gal 3:~[SUP]19 [/SUP]What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
If you want to continue to be under a tutor. that's up to you. But for us who Found Christ, We want to go back to what it was intended to be. And live as Abraham, Noah and all the fathers like them lived, by the law of love.
Love did indeed fulfill the law under the old covenant as I does under the new, but the law was not removed!
I am not under the tutalege of the law. The law on my heart makes me conscious of sin, and I look to Christ for obedience to what my heart desires by faith.
But I have given you the scriptures to support my view being correct. You have not given me any scripture to prove your belief correct, only opinions.
If you have no scripture there is no point in further discussion is there?
The written word must come before opinions
I am not under the tutalege of the law. The law on my heart makes me conscious of sin, and I look to Christ for obedience to what my heart desires by faith.
But I have given you the scriptures to support my view being correct. You have not given me any scripture to prove your belief correct, only opinions.
If you have no scripture there is no point in further discussion is there?
The written word must come before opinions
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1. You gave me an opinion of a passage (2 cor 3) Which I already said I did not agree with, and showed another interpretation.
2. I showed you gal 3. which quite readily refutes your passage. and also [poves you to be a liar. saying I had no scripture. Which is sad you would go that low.. All you did was discredit yourself.
Your attitude is not very friendly. If this is the way you wish to discuss things, your right, there is no need to go further.
As I said, I did not want to argue with you. But it seems that is all you want to do.
Galatians three does not show the law is not on the christians heart and mind. Only that it us not our tutor
Paul is clear, Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness, not full stop. How can you refute that?
Your words sound rather harsh. I am simply quoting scripture. I repeat you cannot refute the scripture presented. I am sorry if that upsets you
Paul is clear, Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness, not full stop. How can you refute that?
Your words sound rather harsh. I am simply quoting scripture. I repeat you cannot refute the scripture presented. I am sorry if that upsets you
There's no scripture to state the law God desires you to keep is not written on your mind and placed on your heart
EG stated gal ch3 refers to the law as a tutor and so it is passed. It is not passed, but it I not our tutor. We don't look to the literal letter to be tutored in obedience but to christ
EG stated gal ch3 refers to the law as a tutor and so it is passed. It is not passed, but it I not our tutor. We don't look to the literal letter to be tutored in obedience but to christ
The law is placed on the heart at new birth. The christian has been born again in the sense they in their heart want to live as God desires them to, rather than seek to please themselves
Please increase your knowledge. Hmmmm
For what my opinion is worth I think your knowledge I very good. Too good for the need of sarcasm-IF that is what the words were
Please increase your knowledge. Hmmmm
For what my opinion is worth I think your knowledge I very good. Too good for the need of sarcasm-IF that is what the words were
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Christ us the end of the law, only unto righteousness. The moral law still exists and God desires the christian to obey it. It still has its purpose. It is written on the christians mind so they instinctively know how God wants them to live and it I placed on their heart so they in their heart want to obey it. Thou shalt not kill, covet, steal, lie etc is still in place, only the law of righteousness got removed, not the law itself