Christians are not required to keep the law.
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Christians are not under the law of Moses, but under the law of liberty.
Christians are not under the law of Moses, but under the law of liberty.
Thus speak and thus act as those who are going to be judged by the law of liberty. James 2:12
Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. John 5:24
We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death. 1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death. 1 John 3:14
As I told you, I did not have conviction of sin in my most inward parts until I became a christian, ad neither did Paul until the law cane to him. When it came to me as a christian I had exactly the same experience Paul did as a pharisee( rom 7:7-11) for we both hinged everything on observing the law
I know you wont agree with me, but the plain words of scripture do. This is opposed to your theological interpretations, born i imagine due to strict legalism in your past (as I also suffered from)
There is nothing wrong with the law. The problem is a law of righteousness. Paul states Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness, not full stop!!
I know you wont agree with me, but the plain words of scripture do. This is opposed to your theological interpretations, born i imagine due to strict legalism in your past (as I also suffered from)
There is nothing wrong with the law. The problem is a law of righteousness. Paul states Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness, not full stop!!
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If your not convicted of any sin, Then I do not know how or why you even came to Christ. Why come to Christ if you do not believe your a sinner. and the things you do are not evil?
No. Just want the truth to come out. Even as a non believer, I knew things were sin, as did gentiles. Paul mentions a sin so great, even the pagans would be offended.. God has written the law in our hearts. It is in our dna. otherwise we would have no moral convictions period. this is what separates us from animals. We have a moral fiber written by God himself.
Your right there is not. It is Gods perfect law. If you want to be seen as a morally good person who is righteous, you better obey every jot and title. otherwise your condemned.
ps. I am not judging or condemning what your saying, just showing why I disagree..
No. Just want the truth to come out. Even as a non believer, I knew things were sin, as did gentiles. Paul mentions a sin so great, even the pagans would be offended.. God has written the law in our hearts. It is in our dna. otherwise we would have no moral convictions period. this is what separates us from animals. We have a moral fiber written by God himself.
Your right there is not. It is Gods perfect law. If you want to be seen as a morally good person who is righteous, you better obey every jot and title. otherwise your condemned.
ps. I am not judging or condemning what your saying, just showing why I disagree..
Christians are not required to keep the law for righteousness sake. Christians are not to ignore the law either.
Christians are saved by grace and have the righteousness of Christ imputed to us. We live for Christ because He saved us and the Holy Spirit now dwells within us. The Holy Spirit will lead us in paths of righteousness if we will only follow.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Christians are saved by grace and have the righteousness of Christ imputed to us. We live for Christ because He saved us and the Holy Spirit now dwells within us. The Holy Spirit will lead us in paths of righteousness if we will only follow.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I initially came to Christ when I was ten. The conviction of din in my most inward parts came at the same time. As the law is placed within the christian Thi would be correct, for through the law we become conscious of sin rom 3:20
There I a difference between believing what I right and wrong and conviction of sin in your most inward parts once the law is placed there under the terms of the new covenant
Who had said I want a righteousness of being morally good? I know it I not mine to have.
The core message of Paul is not the law had been removed but a law of righteousness has been removed. And in that knowledge is victory over sin
Please show me according to scripture where it is stated the moral law/ ten commandments have been done away with?
There I a difference between believing what I right and wrong and conviction of sin in your most inward parts once the law is placed there under the terms of the new covenant
Who had said I want a righteousness of being morally good? I know it I not mine to have.
The core message of Paul is not the law had been removed but a law of righteousness has been removed. And in that knowledge is victory over sin
Please show me according to scripture where it is stated the moral law/ ten commandments have been done away with?
The bible states God will write his laws on the mind and place them on the heart of the christian. That is the bible words it, that is how i accept it. I am surprised people find fault with this. You are entitled to your opinion, and I respect much of what you write. But the bible terms the core of the new covenant as i accept it, not as you state it
And I can only say, in my own experience i would view it as the bible states it
Paul tells us Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness, not full stop
And I can only say, in my own experience i would view it as the bible states it
Paul tells us Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness, not full stop
ok, outside the new birth what kind of writing instruments did He use to inscribe His Law on your heart? I mean if you want to take it that literal, please explain...
Here is how I see it...
Romans 5:5 KJVS
[5] And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Here is how I see it...
Romans 5:5 KJVS
[5] And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
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1. The law was given to lead us to Christ (gal 3)
If the law did not lead you to Christ. I must ask again, How did you get saved.
2. The law (which includes the ten commands) was given until that which was to come came (again gal 3) so that all mouths may be shut.
3. Are you perfect? if not. the ten commands have still condemned you.
This reasoning is flawed.
The command says do not covet. It is still a sin to covet, It always was a sin to covet, From the time adam was alive until the time Christ destroys this earth, it is still sin.
I do not need the law to tell me that it is a sin to covet, I already know. The law just shows me, since I have coveted in the past. I have failed to live up to Gods standard. This I am cursed with the curse of the law (again gal 3)
The law has not been removed, because the law was never in effect (to make us a person who is saved, no one was ever saved by the law) the condemnation of the law is removed.
Pauls point is the law is applicable (every jot and title) until we come to CHrist, at which time, the law has completed its purpose. And yes, this included the ten commands, try not to separate the ten from the hundreds of other commands (like baptism, assembling yourself together etc etc) for they are all applicable, they all prove every day, we are way short of Gods glory, we are doomed apart from Christ.
Please show me where it states in scripture the ten commandments/moral law have been removed.
You are missing a basic fact. The law comes in two parts. The law itself that is to be obeyed and the penalty attached for breaking it. The penalty was removed from the christian. Therefore the law being placed on the believers heart does not condemn them. So why you keep stating it would i do not understand. The bible does not say the law itself has been removed( the heart of the law) but a law of righteousness has been removed Rom 3:19-22. Gal:2:21, rom 10:4 etc
The law makes you conscious of sin, but you have no righteousness before God of observing the law rom3:20
You are missing a basic fact. The law comes in two parts. The law itself that is to be obeyed and the penalty attached for breaking it. The penalty was removed from the christian. Therefore the law being placed on the believers heart does not condemn them. So why you keep stating it would i do not understand. The bible does not say the law itself has been removed( the heart of the law) but a law of righteousness has been removed Rom 3:19-22. Gal:2:21, rom 10:4 etc
The law makes you conscious of sin, but you have no righteousness before God of observing the law rom3:20
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I never said it was. Every jot and title of the law will not pass away until the end. So why do you keep trying to say I believe otherwise?
All the law is still in effect today. Not just the ten. Why are you so focused on the ten? Do you not know the ten were written in stone, and condemn us??
The question is, are you under law or Grace?
Nope. that is false. that is said by people who want to water the law down so they think they can obey it. To excuse there sin, or hide their sin.
paul said it had a purpose. the purpose is completed in the child of God. your argument is with him.
The curse is given to anyone who does not obey it perfectly.
Gal 3: ~[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them
And yes, the ten commands are included in this.
All the law is still in effect today. Not just the ten. Why are you so focused on the ten? Do you not know the ten were written in stone, and condemn us??
The question is, are you under law or Grace?
Nope. that is false. that is said by people who want to water the law down so they think they can obey it. To excuse there sin, or hide their sin.
paul said it had a purpose. the purpose is completed in the child of God. your argument is with him.
The curse is given to anyone who does not obey it perfectly.
Gal 3: ~[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them
And yes, the ten commands are included in this.
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You misunderstand the point of Christ.
Matthew 5:17-20 (NKJV)
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:17-20 (AMP)
17 “Do not think that I came to do away with or undo the [a]Law [of Moses] or the [writings of the] Prophets; I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For I assure you and most solemnly say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke [of the pen] will pass from the Law until all things [which it foreshadows] are accomplished. 19 So whoever breaks one of the least [important] of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them, he will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness (uprightness, moral essence) is more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
So, Jesus didn't come to destroy or end the law, but to FULFILL the law...to be the EXAMPLE of the law in PRACTICE.
This is scripture. This is your answer.
Your response is YOUR decision. You have the platform to make the right decision.
Go, and be blessed in Jesus' name. Amen.
Matthew 5:17-20 (NKJV)
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:17-20 (AMP)
17 “Do not think that I came to do away with or undo the [a]Law [of Moses] or the [writings of the] Prophets; I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For I assure you and most solemnly say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke [of the pen] will pass from the Law until all things [which it foreshadows] are accomplished. 19 So whoever breaks one of the least [important] of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them, he will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness (uprightness, moral essence) is more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
So, Jesus didn't come to destroy or end the law, but to FULFILL the law...to be the EXAMPLE of the law in PRACTICE.
This is scripture. This is your answer.
Your response is YOUR decision. You have the platform to make the right decision.
Go, and be blessed in Jesus' name. Amen.
I focus on the ten as a good example of what I am saying. Scripture states the law written on stone was transferred onto the heart 2cor3:3 yep the ten were written in stone and were the ministration of death but they are not for the christian as Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness so why do you keep bringing this opinion forth?
Lol. You keep wanting to know if I am under law or grace. How many times do I have to write this. I am under grace, there I no law of righteousness for the christian so the law on my heart cannot condemn me I am under grace
How on earth can it be watering down the law to believe the moral law still exists but the penalty for breaking it got removed. That's grace!
Yep under a law of righteousness you are cursed if you don't perfectly keep it. I will write it once more. I am not under a law of righteousness.
Now please show me from scripture your view is correct. The law God requires us to keep has not been written on the mind and placed on the heart of the christian. PLEASE
Lol. You keep wanting to know if I am under law or grace. How many times do I have to write this. I am under grace, there I no law of righteousness for the christian so the law on my heart cannot condemn me I am under grace
How on earth can it be watering down the law to believe the moral law still exists but the penalty for breaking it got removed. That's grace!
Yep under a law of righteousness you are cursed if you don't perfectly keep it. I will write it once more. I am not under a law of righteousness.
Now please show me from scripture your view is correct. The law God requires us to keep has not been written on the mind and placed on the heart of the christian. PLEASE
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