Is the Devil bound right now...?

[valiant]

Valiant,

Whether you like it or not you live in the same world. Matt 12:28-29 says nothing about restricting the activity of Satan.

I can only assume that you can't read. I'm sorry about it.

Through the power of death and sin. The power has been eliminated by Christ's victory over death and sin.

Satan had and has no power over sin. He has the power of death because he persuades men to sin and thus suffer its consequences.

Your theology seems to lack the power of Christ and what He accomplished for God's creation. II Cor 5:18-19. Heb 2:14 and I John 3:8.

your theology is totally lacking in sense or reality. My theology (or should I say God's theology) sees Christ as having all power and authority over sin, death, Satan, and all that is. He controls Satan, He controls men's lives, He controls their destiny because He is ALL powerful.

He has no power over death any longer.

That is actually not so. He still has the power of death over those who refuse to believe.

Christ did not make man immortal immediately upon arising from the dead.

The first true thing that you have said.

Man will die once, the condemnation of death through Adam, for the sole purpose of this body of sin to die, thus sin.

Not all men will die. Those who are alive and remain will be carried up alive and will be transformed in the twinkling of an eye. Thus your theory collapses.

Christ will raise all men immortal asnd incorptible in the last day, I Cor 15:52-54.

That is only speaking of true believers. You certainly do need to learn to read.

 

[valiant]

Why do you thinhk it was necessary for Him to die our death?

So that He could bear our sins in His own body on the cross. His death was only effective for believers. It is they who are covered in His righteousness and made free of sin in body, soul and spirit.

Believing has nothing to do with death. Unbelievers die and will be raised immortal and incorruptible, the world itself has been renewed by His blood. Col 1:15-20.

Your heresies get greater and greater. Believing has everything to do with death. Read John 5.24 ff Unbelievers will be raised, but they will not be incorruptible. Nor will they be immortal with eternal life.

Sin is not enevitable. Never was actually since sin has always been a choice.

If sin is not inevitable, why do all men sin? It is inevitable precisely because all men are born tainted by sin.

But sin had no effect upon us since we were already condemned to death.

Your heresies are extraordinary. Death passed on all men BECAUSE ALL HAD SINNED (Rom 5.12). The Bible is quite clear. Not muddled up like you are. We are condemned to death because we have sinned. Sin, when it is finished, brings forth death.

Death is no longer enevitable to the entire universe. It has nothing to do with believers. You are confusing physical death with spiritual death.

you are totally confused and Biblically astray. Death and corruption is the inevitable end of the universe prior to God stepping in. I am confusing nothing. We are spiritually dead when we are born, because of sin. Unless we are alive when Christ comes we will die physically. Both are due to sin.

It is exactly what Matt 12:28-29 states.

you clearly have a different Bible from me, or else your mind is vacuous.

Nice assertion without the evidence means very little. The texts are all quite obvious if one actually understands the battle that has been going on since the Garden of Eden between God and Satan.

the usual arrogance from heretics. They 'know it all' lol

You have a lot of negative assertions with no evidence to support them.

sounds remarkably like you. I have presented the evidence from Scripture.

 

[ukok102nak]

and aa the scriptures say
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Jude: 1. 12. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13. Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14. And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15. To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

:rofl: and thats how those people self proclamed that no satan dwells in their places
where his minions were all along with them :haha:

better to believe in scriptures and not from the twisted teachings of some men
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Jude: 1. 17. But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18. How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.


:smoke: and that's how the story goes :happy:
:read:
Luke: 1. 77. To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
78. Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
79. To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

God bless us all always


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[Cassian]

I can only assume that you can't read. I'm sorry about it.

more assertions without evidence again. You seem to think that a negative is actually an answer.

Satan had and has no power over sin. He has the power of death because he persuades men to sin and thus suffer its consequences.

Death was his power through the flesh which causes us to in. But since Christ freed all men from the bondage to death and sin, we have been given life and sin becomes our responsibility now.

your theology is totally lacking in sense or reality. My theology (or should I say God's theology) sees Christ as having all power and authority over sin, death, Satan, and all that is. He controls Satan, He controls men's lives, He controls their destiny because He is ALL powerful.

nice assertion again, but no evidence. Sounds much like Calvinism to me.

That is actually not so. He still has the power of death over those who refuse to believe.

quite the contrary. Man is the sole determent IF he sins. He has a free choice to choose to be a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness. When we sin believers know that they can be forgiven and have a mediator for them, Christ.

Whether a person goes to heaven or hell is ONLY determined by that person

Not all men will die. Those who are alive and remain will be carried up alive and will be transformed in the twinkling of an eye. Thus your theory collapses.

you contradict yourself. They will be transformed. You lack understanding.

That is only speaking of true believers. You certainly do need to learn to read.

But yet not a single piece of evidence to support your assertion. Nothing that contradicts I Cor 15:52-54 or even I Cor 15:12-22. You do very well in contradicting scripture.

 

[valiant]

more assertions without evidence again. You seem to think that a negative is actually an answer.



Death was his power through the flesh which causes us to in. But since Christ freed all men from the bondage to death and sin, we have been given life and sin becomes our responsibility now.





nice assertion again, but no evidence. Sounds much like Calvinism to me.




quite the contrary. Man is the sole determent IF he sins. He has a free choice to choose to be a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness. When we sin believers know that they can be forgiven and have a mediator for them, Christ.

Whether a person goes to heaven or hell is ONLY determined by that person



you contradict yourself. They will be transformed. You lack understanding.



But yet not a single piece of evidence to support your assertion. Nothing that contradicts I Cor 15:52-54 or even I Cor 15:12-22. You do very well in contradicting scripture.

you are clearly a universalist or totally mixed up so I will waste no more time on you.

 

[Cassian]

you are clearly a universalist or totally mixed up so I will waste no more time on you.

in other words you have nothing to refute scripture and only have false assertion.

 

[valiant]

in other words you have nothing to refute scripture and only have false assertion.

lol you heretics are so predictable LOL LOL

 

[Cassian]

lol you heretics are so predictable LOL LOL

But you can only assert never prove with evidence.

 

[Cassian]

valiant,

So that He could bear our sins in His own body on the cross. His death was only effective for believers. It is they who are covered in His righteousness and made free of sin in body, soul and spirit.

quite the contrary. Rom 5:12 death was passed on to all men. (even the world). Vs 18 says Christ reconciled ALL MEN by giving life.

I Cor 15:22 death through Adam to all men, life through Christ to all men.
It states earlier in vs 12=14 that all men will be raised because Christ arose from the grave.
I Cor 15:52-53 says ALL THE DEAD shall be raised immortal and incorruptible.

Correspondingly, if Christ defeated death the power of Satan, then since all men died through Adam, all men will gain the benefit of life through Christ, His Incarnation and resurrection.

Rev 20:13 says again, all the dead shall be raised to be judged.

Acts 24:15 says the resurrection for the just and the unjust.

You also need to look up some other terms, like atonement. it does not mean what you are discribing above.

Which text of scripture refutes all these from scripture. Obviously you hold a view that scripture contradicts itself?

Not only about death and resurrection but these texts also show the universal reconciliation of the world by Christ to God. II Cor 5:18-19, Col 1:15-20, Rom 3:24-25.

Your heresies get greater and greater. Believing has everything to do with death. Read John 5.24 ff Unbelievers will be raised, but they will not be incorruptible. Nor will they be immortal with eternal life

prove they are heresies. John 6:39 says all will be raised that was given to Him, He will lose none. What was given to Christ, Col 1:15-20, All things. Believing has to do with spiritual death. Spiritual death has never been the topic in this thread. Therin lies most of your error because of your confusion between physical death and spiritual death. Scripture is quite clear on the difference and I for one, has never referred to spiritual death.

Read I Cor 15:52-54, clearly ALL THE DEAD WILL BE RAISED TO WHAT??? iMMORTALITY AND INCORRUPTIBILITY. How clear can it be?

Your heresies are extraordinary. Death passed on all men BECAUSE ALL HAD SINNED (Rom 5.12). The Bible is quite clear. Not muddled up like you are. We are condemned to death because we have sinned. Sin, when it is finished, brings forth death.

Actually your statement is a heresy. It was held by Pelagius to beleived the same thing. He believed that no man was effected by Adam, that each man would sin thus become mortal.

You are exhibing your confusion between the two kinds of death again. Man cannot become mortal again or more so because he sins.

you are totally confused and Biblically astray. Death and corruption is the inevitable end of the universe prior to God stepping in. I am confusing nothing. We are spiritually dead when we are born, because of sin. Unless we are alive when Christ comes we will die physically. Both are due to sin.

you are totally confused and Biblically astray. Death and corruption is the inevitable end of the universe prior to God stepping in. I am confusing nothing. We are spiritually dead when we are born, because of sin. Unless we are alive when Christ comes we will die physically. Both are due to sin.

more assertions but never any evidence. Why is that? God did not create this world in a state of death and corruption. What He created was good. Man through sin and death plagued the world with the parasite called death, decay, corruption. God, through Christ in His Incarnation redeemed this world, reconciled this world, recreated this world back to God.

One is not spiritually dead until one sins. Sin separates us from God. This is the same view Augustine had which led him to state that all babies went to hell because they are sinners in the womb.

you clearly have a different Bible from me, or else your mind is vacuous.

But where is the evidence of your assertion. All you can say it is wrong but cannot correct it with evidence. So, obviously it is not incorrect since you have no scripture to refute it.

sounds remarkably like you. I have presented the evidence from Scripture.

Your post lack any evidence. This whole post to which I am responding is all assertions and no evidence.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

All the Kingdoms of this world are not given to the Father, until the 7th Trumpet is blown, which is also the last Trumpet, and is when Jesus Christ Returns with the New City Jerusalem with Him. Where He and the Father and the Angels, and the Saints will live in, and reign over the 144,000 who make it through the Tribulation Period, with their offspring, for a thousand years.

^i^ responding to post # 1628

My post #1628 does not disagree with that. Per Luke 4 when Jesus was being tempted by the devil, the devil showed Him all the kingdoms of this world and offered them to Him if He would worship him. The devil wasn't lying that God had given him the kingdoms of this world for this present time.
On the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe, that will change, for that will begin the time of Christ's future reign over all the kingdoms of this world, those kingdoms then becoming those of The Father and The Son, as written there in Revelation 11.

Then you agree with God who told me these things and also believe the Word of God.

^i^ responding to post # 1755

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by valiant DiscipleDave asked > How then is Jesus NOW the ruler of the kings of the earth ? (Rev 1.5). How is it that GOD REIGNS NOW ? (Psalm 97.1 ff).

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

DiscipleDave said

YOU, say these things, SCriptures do not teach those things.

You say that Jesus reign TODAY, you teach that all the Kingdoms of the Earth are Jesus TODAY. Please notice my question above, i have highlighted and underlined the word NOW, that is show me Scriptures that teach that Jesus reins NOW, that all the Kingdoms of the Earth belong to Jesus NOW. and then you respond with the following Scriptures which are all future events, that are yet to happen, and have altogether FAILED to show one verse that teaches what you say, that Jesus reigns NOW, that all the Kingdoms of the Earth are His right NOW. Please try again to answer the question, please show the Scriptures that teaches you that Jesus is reigning RIGHT NOW, that all the Kingdoms of the Earth are His RIGHT NOW, you have yet to show Scriptures that back up that doctrine. Because that doctrine does not come from God nor from the Scriptures.

'John to the seven churches --- from Jesus Christ --- the ruler of the kings of the earth'

This is going to happen in the FUTURE, it is not happened yet.

'The LORD reigns

, let the multitude of the islands be glad' (Psalm 97.1)

Psalms 97 is in reference to when Jesus will reign on the Earth.

Psa 97:3 A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about.

Are you saying that this has happened already? When has a fire gone before Jesus and burneth up His enemies? When pray tell? When Jesus was on the Earth, He testified that He did not come to bring a sword but peace. He was meek, and lowly in spirit, he was humble, kind, and loving. When did a fire go before Him and burneth up His enemies? You do error not knowing the Scriptures nor the Truth concerning this matter. Psalms 97 is a reference to what Jesus will be like when He does come back to the Earth to reign, He will reign with a rod of iron, and fire will proceed in front of Him and destroy all the nations that come against Him.

'The LORD reigns

. -- He is high above all the peoples (Psalm 99.1-2)

Psa 99:1 The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.

You teach that this has happened already? When has Jesus sat between the Cherubims? This has not yet happened, but it will happen when Jesus reigns on the Earth out the New City Jerusalem, Then a fire will go before Him and destroy His enemies, then He shall sit between the Cherubims. You are using verses to back up your belief that He is reigning RIGHT NOW, and you have yet to show one verse that teaches that He is reigning right now, all the verse you give to back up the belief that He is reigning right now, are verses that show Him reigning in the FUTURE, when He RETURNS.

Looks to me as though Scripture says them? If you can't be honest about this how can I trust you on anything?

Scriptures teach that Jesus WILL reign, you teach that He is reigning NOW, you do error, and do not know the Truth, i am not asking you to trust me, i am saying to you to believe God. Believe the Truth.

^i^ responding to post # 1769

 

[DiscipleDave]

Re: LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN

For those who desire to learn and understand the TRUTH:

Frequently, I hear the Biographical Story of Lazarus and the Rich Man, FALSELY labeled the Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man. Absolutely no where in Scripture does it use the term "Parable" associated with this IMPORTANT Biographical Story.

Those who do not want to believe the absolute TRUTHS in this Biogaphical Story will falsely call it a PARABLE, so that they can falsely justify their ignoring those TRUTHS.

These website show and reveal why it is a parable:

Commentary - The Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_man_and_Lazarus

L. Ray Smith - Lazarus and the Rich Man

The Rich Man and Lazarus | Free Book Library | Amazing Facts

Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus. Commentary - The Fourfold Gospel

The Rich Man and Lazarus | Hell Truth

If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is WRONG. If the Rich man and Lazarus was a true event and not a parable, it would indeed contradict many Scriptures.

Leave it to this generation to call something that starts out like a parable, told like a parable, sounds like a parable, and call it a real event, and they do so to back up a doctrine that they believe.

The Lord Thy God says "If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures then what you believe is WRONG"

Therefore change your belief to match Scriptures, and do not change Scriptures to match your belief, such as saying a parable is not a parable but a real event, all to back your false doctrine. Woe to this generation, how will they escape the wrath of God when it comes upon this wicked and perverse generation, people teaching things they call TRUTH all the while living in sins, claiming Jesus is their Master yet knowingly and willingly choosing to commit sins which they KNOW full well are sinful, but do them anyways, and these same are they that teach things that they call TRUTH, not knowing the TRUTH at all. Can the servants of satan learn TRUTHS from the Spirit of TRUTH? know you not who the servants of satan are: They who obey satan are servants of satan, and these who laden down with sin on a daily basis, claim to know and speak TRUTH. This generation shall not escape His wrath.

Repent, and cease from obeying satan, then the Spirit of TRUTH will reveal to you TRUTHS, but as long as you are walking in darkness, how can you know and understand TRUTH? Those who are of the TRUTH, know the TRUTH when they hear it, because they recognize the shepherds voice. But woe to them who teach and claim to know TRUTH, all the while they walk in sin, walk in darkness and not in the light.

^i^ responding to post # 1770

 

[ukok102nak]

there is nothing in the scriptures that say satan is bound right now :rofl:
its only the interpretations of those people who were afraid to face the reality that is within them :haha:
WHO NEVER WANT TO MIX THEMSELVES UNTO THE TRUTH
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Ecclesiastes: 7. 29. Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

:now: and most of all there is nothing that a man could show unto others when his her their words were just
a thing to praised themselves . . . ...
:read:
John: 7. 18. He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

God bless us all always


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[Bowman]

there is nothing in the scriptures that say satan is bound right now

Yes there is...

 

[Bowman]

Include the texts that show Christ descended into Hades to take captive the captives held there by Satan through death. Psalm 68:18, Ephesians 4:8, Hosea 13:14, 1 Peter 3:18-20.

Nope.......

 

[eternallife7]

We must remember the verse that says that no one can spoil a strong mans house unless he first binds the strong man and then he will spool his goods. So in some sense Christ has already bond him therefore when God tells is that our suffering produces endurance we should not think that there isn't a purpose to this spiritual war we are in. Peter tells us that the devil roams around seeking whom he may devour but he also tells us how he will flee from us and that is achieved by us keeping ourselves free from the contamination of the world. Therefore if Satan wasn't somehow bound in some way we would never get the opportunity to resist him and he would be devouring us right now.

 

[Bowman]

We must remember the verse that says that no one can spoil a strong mans house unless he first binds the strong man and then he will spool his goods. So in some sense Christ has already bond him therefore when God tells is that our suffering produces endurance we should not think that there isn't a purpose to this spiritual war we are in. Peter tells us that the devil roams around seeking whom he may devour but he also tells us how he will flee from us and that is achieved by us keeping ourselves free from the contamination of the world. Therefore if Satan wasn't somehow bound in some way we would never get the opportunity to resist him and he would be devouring us right now.

So how do you vote in the poll?

 

[eternallife7]

I think that every attack from the enemy is allowed because it helps conform us into the image of His Son Jesus Christ. I do think that when God's work is achieved in this matter it will become official that Satan is bound. That is my vote!

 

[ukok102nak]

Yes there is...

:smoke: yes there is so many man made interpretations of that . . . ..
as they say let the holy scriptures interprets itself

where in physical aspects of interpretations the scriptures
tells the diffirence between a man and the devil itself :haha:

:dontknow: but spiritual interpretations
should not come from any man's thought . ...

and the you must combine the physical and spiritual from
any written holy scriptures to learn the truth my brother . . ..

:yawn: remember how our lord distinguished himself when those
people accused him of having those evil things inside of him
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Matthew: 12. 24. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26. And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27. And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29. Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30. He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

`∞` IF WE COULD JUST OPEN OUR HEARTS AND SOUL UNTO
THIS WRITTEN SCRIPTURES WE WILL LEARN THAT
OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST DIFFIRENTIATE THE THINGS
BETWEEN THE PHYSICAL AND THE SPIRITUAL . ...
*AND WE HOPE YOU COULD ALL NOTICE THIS MY BROTHER

God bless us all always

:ty:

 

[Bowman]

:smoke: yes there is so many man made interpretations of that . . . ..
as they say let the holy scriptures interprets itself

:jigsaw jigsaw, nuyk nyuk chitty chitty bang bang jiggly puff: smoke

Heb 2.14

επει ουν τα παιδια κεκοινωνηκεν αιματος και σαρκος και αυτος παραπλησιως μετεσχεν των αυτων ινα δια του θανατου καταργηση τον το κρατος εχοντα του θανατου τουτ εστιν τον διαβολον

epei oun ta paidia kekoinōnēken haimatos kai sarkos kai autos paraplēsiōs meteschen tōn autōn hina dia tou thanatou katargēsē ton to kratos echonta tou thanatou tout' estin ton diabolon


Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, in like manner He Himself also shared the same things, that through death He might render entirely idlethe one having the power of death, that is, the devil;

:jigsaw jigsaw, nuyk nyuk chitty chitty bang bang jiggly puff: smoke