Monkeys become people?

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Stonemason

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God is so perfect, He makes things so as to have the potential to change, adapt and evolve. God doesn't lie, He's just so much bigger than all of us that He can present absolute truth, yet not have it make logical sense in our limited minds. Don't limit God to your understanding. Don't put God in a box, set to your parameters, because of a method in which you interpret his Word and intent. He is bigger than that.

You're basically saying, "Well if x is thusly, then y, because that is what I see, what I can comprehend.". God is not up to you, what you can observe or what you can logically deduce. You are defining God, based on the only way you can perceive Him, in a human, imperfect fashion. I do not, and can not, accept that as correct.
 
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popeye

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Stonemason said:
God is so perfect, He makes things so as to have the potential to change, adapt and evolve. God doesn't lie, He's just so much bigger than all of us that He can present absolute truth, yet not have it make logical sense in our limited minds. Don't limit God to your understanding. Don't put God in a box, set to your parameters, because of a method in which you interpret his Word and intent. He is bigger than that.
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Yes he is so big that he engineered the characteristics into each creature to flourish and survive.

This is WHY the barriers of the species exists. NATURE IS NOT BIGGER THAN GOD,NOR NEEDED IN A NEW SPECIES,THEREFORE PROHIBITED.

UH,BY GOD
 
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Stonemason

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popeye said:
Yes he is so big that he engineered the characteristics into each creature to flourish and survive.

This is WHY the barriers of the species exists. NATURE IS NOT BIGGER THAN GOD,NOR NEEDED IN A NEW SPECIES,THEREFORE PROHIBITED.

UH,BY GOD
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Not every "species flourishes and survives", even in the period of recorded history.

No one, not once in this thread, said or even speculated "nature is bigger than God". That is a wholly new strawman you've just created.
 
RickyZ

RickyZ

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ukok102nak said:
: : this is one of the truth that was been told to us by unknown source . ...
And when your sins are brought forth, ye shall be ashamed before men, and your own sins shall be your accusers in that day.
What will ye do? or how will ye hide your sins before God and his angels?
Behold, God himself is the judge, fear him: leave off from your sins, and forget your iniquities, to meddle no more with them for ever: so shall God lead you forth, and deliver you from all trouble.
For, behold, the burning wrath of a great multitude is kindled over you, and they shall take away certain of you, and feed you, being idle, with things offered unto idols.
And they that consent unto them shall be had in derision and in reproach, and trodden under foot.
For there shall be in every place, and in the next cities, a great insurrection upon those that fear the Lord.
They shall be like mad men, sparing none, but still spoiling and destroying those that fear the Lord. For they shall waste and take away their goods, and cast them out of their houses.

:smoke: and that is for you people to decide
whether this true or not . ....

God bless us all always

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Tintin said:
Once again, your post is completely unrelated to the topic at hand.
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ukok102nak said:
and the time is at hand :whistle:

:smoke: are we speaking here about the truth of god
or the truth of monkey :rofl:

:happy: thou we read something about your opinion from
the parables of the prodigal son which is not even near in the
monkey business este we mean
monkey become people?

:now: did we get it right

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God bless us all always
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smoke: and what have you been smoking?
 
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Magenta

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RickyZ said:
smoke: and what have you been smoking?
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Our brother ukok has been smoking cigarettes. Please pray for him that he may quit the habit :) PS: blessing to you, ukok, on this beautiful day that the Lord has made! Let us rejoice and be glad in it :)
 
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christianperson91

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Mitspa said:
you have to want to believe evolution to find any evidence for evolution. You have to want to not believe the bible to find any evidence against the bible.
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People needed to already believe in evolution before finding evidence for evolution, does not go well with what we know about the creation of the evolutionary theory in the 19th century. Darwin (and others) sure did not have the mindset that the ToE is a valid scientific theory before they did any research/investigation.

Although you disagree with their conclusions, at least understand that Darwn didn't just wake up one day and said, "evolution clearly is true, let me go find evidence for it and write a book on it".


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_evolutionary_thought
 
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ukok102nak

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Magenta said:
Our brother ukok has been smoking cigarettes. Please pray for him that he may quit the habit :) PS: blessing to you, ukok, on this beautiful day that the Lord has made! Let us rejoice and be glad in it :)
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:smoke: because of that
i we shall return the favor from you
my brethren my sister . ...

:happy: and that is if our lord god would allow it
we could say or done something better to help everybody
to save their soul
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Ezekiel: 14. 14. Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.

:whistle: for all we can do now is give a little message
thought its only for weaklings
as those powerful spirits claims :rofl:

:dontknow: but perhaps in this way we hope people would not
easy to be decieve by those evil things
so that the chance of salvations for everybody would be better also
for you all could be saved
and all shall meet in heaven someday . ...

God bless us all always

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Magenta said:
Our brother ukok has been smoking cigarettes. Please pray for him that he may quit the habit :) PS: blessing to you, ukok, on this beautiful day that the Lord has made! Let us rejoice and be glad in it :)
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I don't think that's tobacco he's smoking. Yes may the Lord bless him to quit.
 
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ukok102nak

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:smoke: perhaps i should try the thing those native indians are using to
make smokes :rofl:
haven't try that before :whistle:

oh by the way
:think: does the fires of hell could produce smoke? :hmm:


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God bless us all always
 
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Mitspa

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People needed to already believe in evolution before finding evidence for evolution, does not go well with what we know about the creation of the evolutionary theory in the 19th century. Darwin (and others) sure did not have the mindset that the ToE is a valid scientific theory before they did any research/investigation.

Although you disagree with their conclusions, at least understand that Darwn didn't just wake up one day and said, "evolution clearly is true, let me go find evidence for it and write a book on it".


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_evolutionary_thought
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Im sorry but its clear that Darwin had to find a explanation for creation and that explanation could not possible be the evident fact that this world was created by a Creator... he imagined a world made without God and then sought out some sort of evidence to match his imagination...same logic used by conspiracy theorist. No real testable or provable evidence has ever been found...in fact all real evidence works contrary to this theory, people believe this theory because they want to believe it not because of logic or reason but because they cannot accept the concept of God Almighty.
 
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Mitspa

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Stonemason said:
God is so perfect, He makes things so as to have the potential to change, adapt and evolve. God doesn't lie, He's just so much bigger than all of us that He can present absolute truth, yet not have it make logical sense in our limited minds. Don't limit God to your understanding. Don't put God in a box, set to your parameters, because of a method in which you interpret his Word and intent. He is bigger than that.

You're basically saying, "Well if x is thusly, then y, because that is what I see, what I can comprehend.". God is not up to you, what you can observe or what you can logically deduce. You are defining God, based on the only way you can perceive Him, in a human, imperfect fashion. I do not, and can not, accept that as correct.
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Right...adaptation is clear evidence of intelligent design ..not random chance and defective genes
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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Mitspa said:
Im sorry but its clear that Darwin had to find a explanation for creation and that explanation could not possible be the evident fact that this world was created by a Creator... he imagined a world made without God and then sought out some sort of evidence to match his imagination...same logic used by conspiracy theorist. No real testable or provable evidence has ever been found...in fact all real evidence works contrary to this theory, people believe this theory because they want to believe it not because of logic or reason but because they cannot accept the concept of God Almighty.
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Though Darwin's thoughts on this fluctuated and he did admit to identifying with agnosticism more than anything else, Darwin did not dismiss God as the ultimate law giver nor as a first cause.

Mitspa said:
Right...adaptation is clear evidence of intelligent design ..not random chance and defective genes
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Can you explain that - how is adaptation clear evidence of design?
 
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Mitspa

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Siberian_Khatru said:
Though Darwin's thoughts on this fluctuated and he did admit to identifying with agnosticism more than anything else, Darwin did not dismiss God as the ultimate law giver nor as a first cause.


Can you explain that - how is adaptation clear evidence of design?
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Well of course he rejected the God of the bible as Creator .... now you might find some statement somewhere that suggested he doubted his own theory ...of course he should have doubted it and of course the evidence of creation itself should make all people have thoughts that they should be a Creator ...but its clear he was beyond agnostic and has to be considered a atheist ...the evidence is his lifes work...not some random doubt of his silly theory that he might have expressed at some point.
 
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christianperson91

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Mitspa said:
Im sorry but its clear that Darwin had to find a explanation for creation and that explanation could not possible be the evident fact that this world was created by a Creator... he imagined a world made without God and then sought out some sort of evidence to match his imagination...same logic used by conspiracy theorist.
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This is false. Darwin did not start his research to explain the origins of life without a God needed. In fact evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life, but deals with how already existing life developed into many species. Note Darwins own book isn't called, "On the Originsof Life on Earth", but instead, "On the Origins of Species"

Darwin himself started out as a Christian in his earlier days of researching.

Yes he later lost his faith, but even then he had become "agnostic", he was never an Atheist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Charles_Darwin
 
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ukok102nak

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:smoke: and that's the reasons until now
no man could even imagined how and where immortality can achieved :rofl:
:whistle: for even darwin doesn't know the origins of life
according to one of our brother's here

:ty:


God bless us all always
 
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Mitspa

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christianperson91 said:
This is false. Darwin did not start his research to explain the origins of life without a God needed. In fact evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life, but deals with how already existing life developed into many species. Note Darwins own book isn't called, "On the Originsof Life on Earth", but instead, "On the Origins of Species"

Darwin himself started out as a Christian in his earlier days of researching.

Yes he later lost his faith, but even then he had become "agnostic", he was never an Atheist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Charles_Darwin
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Your just playing games with words...like all people who defend Darwin or this theory do... Make the issue about this or that and argue about this term or that term...how a monkey is sometimes a monkey and then its not a monkey but some other name? I think my point is clear to every real Christian on this site who understands who Darwin was and what evolution is really about.
 
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Tintin

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popeye said:
Well you gotta understand the danger a guy like you presents to a fellowship.
You are so likeable that we have to tweak you now and then....else we could start worshipping you.
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Haha! Thanks for the laugh, mate.
 
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Tintin

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christianperson91 said:
People needed to already believe in evolution before finding evidence for evolution, does not go well with what we know about the creation of the evolutionary theory in the 19th century. Darwin (and others) sure did not have the mindset that the ToE is a valid scientific theory before they did any research/investigation.

Although you disagree with their conclusions, at least understand that Darwn didn't just wake up one day and said, "evolution clearly is true, let me go find evidence for it and write a book on it".


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_evolutionary_thought
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Yes, that's true, but Darwin hated God and used evolution to justify his hatred for God by eventually determining that there was no God. Evolution was his 'contribution' to the world to try to explain the world and everything in it without the need for God. It's pretty freaking obvious that evolution exists only to kick God out the door.
 
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christianperson91

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Tintin said:
Yes, that's true, but Darwin hated God and used evolution to justify his hatred for God by eventually determining that there was no God.
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If you checked out the link earlier about Darwin and his religious beliefs, you would know that during the beginning of his research he was not trying to disprove God nor did he hate him. Eventually he went from christian to agnostic. It is unfortunate you are having these misconceptions about Darwin.
 
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