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C
. But I am not calling God a liar, because I don't believe Gods intention for the human hands who wrote Genesis, was for the key goal of the story to focus on historical accuracy. Although God does work his will in history, he doesn't always use historical stories to present valid truth. We both agree Genesis is loaded with truth, but we disagree in what type of truth is being given.
Firstly, I'm not saying you are calling God a liar, but that is what the old earth mythology does. My sense is that you're an okay gal.
As for Genesis, yes Genesis is history and is accurate. There's not different types of truth. Truth is what is real, what is actual. Whatever is not true is a lie. No lie can be supported by the truth. One can only build truth upon truth. Just the same all lies are built upon other lies.
The old earth mythology is a very good example of this as everything in it is based on a system of lies and they need more lies to try to support their older lies, but it never makes it true, it just makes it into an even bigger lie. It's what I term a self-defeating downward spiral. For example with Darwinism, first you have the theory itself, which is a lie. To try to support that lie hoaxes were created, which are lies. To support the hoaxes flawed tests with lying results were created. To support the fake tests and their various results more theories and lies had to be created and more time added. They can never actually stop anywhere because it is all a lie to begin with. They will have to continue creating more lies to maintain their lie or elsewise it must be abandoned.
As for Genesis, yes Genesis is history and is accurate. There's not different types of truth. Truth is what is real, what is actual. Whatever is not true is a lie. No lie can be supported by the truth. One can only build truth upon truth. Just the same all lies are built upon other lies.
The old earth mythology is a very good example of this as everything in it is based on a system of lies and they need more lies to try to support their older lies, but it never makes it true, it just makes it into an even bigger lie. It's what I term a self-defeating downward spiral. For example with Darwinism, first you have the theory itself, which is a lie. To try to support that lie hoaxes were created, which are lies. To support the hoaxes flawed tests with lying results were created. To support the fake tests and their various results more theories and lies had to be created and more time added. They can never actually stop anywhere because it is all a lie to begin with. They will have to continue creating more lies to maintain their lie or elsewise it must be abandoned.
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I would have to disagree with that.
Although truth is often used as a synonym for real, there is also more meaning to that word.
Various forms of Truth, whether it be spiritual/theological truth or symbolic truth, or even historical truth, could all have a level of validity, while maintaining their differences and different genres of literature they come from.
Lets take the parable about the prodigal son as an example. I am sure we both agree this story is not intended to be a simple historical account. Even though the story as historical elements, it is not given to us to preach historical truth. Instead it is full of other types of truths that can be learned about through reading the story and analyzing and discussing it with others.
Although truth is often used as a synonym for real, there is also more meaning to that word.
Various forms of Truth, whether it be spiritual/theological truth or symbolic truth, or even historical truth, could all have a level of validity, while maintaining their differences and different genres of literature they come from.
Lets take the parable about the prodigal son as an example. I am sure we both agree this story is not intended to be a simple historical account. Even though the story as historical elements, it is not given to us to preach historical truth. Instead it is full of other types of truths that can be learned about through reading the story and analyzing and discussing it with others.
There can be different subjects which can hold truth, but that doesn't make different truth. Truth itself is truth, it is what is real and actual by its definition. Veritas, verity. It goes into truth building on truth. There's not different types of truth, there's only truth or not truth (lies).
For example with the Prodigal Son. That Jesus taught this story is true. The narrative of the story as a real account itself is also true. The themes in the story such as forgiveness are also true. The theological points of the story about God being glad for his wayward children that return to him is also truth. Truth builds upon truth and truth cannot mix with lies.
For example with the Prodigal Son. That Jesus taught this story is true. The narrative of the story as a real account itself is also true. The themes in the story such as forgiveness are also true. The theological points of the story about God being glad for his wayward children that return to him is also truth. Truth builds upon truth and truth cannot mix with lies.
: : this is one of the truth that was been told to us by unknown source . ...
And when your sins are brought forth, ye shall be ashamed before men, and your own sins shall be your accusers in that day.
What will ye do? or how will ye hide your sins before God and his angels?
Behold, God himself is the judge, fear him: leave off from your sins, and forget your iniquities, to meddle no more with them for ever: so shall God lead you forth, and deliver you from all trouble.
For, behold, the burning wrath of a great multitude is kindled over you, and they shall take away certain of you, and feed you, being idle, with things offered unto idols.
And they that consent unto them shall be had in derision and in reproach, and trodden under foot.
For there shall be in every place, and in the next cities, a great insurrection upon those that fear the Lord.
They shall be like mad men, sparing none, but still spoiling and destroying those that fear the Lord. For they shall waste and take away their goods, and cast them out of their houses.
:smoke: and that is for you people to decide
whether this true or not . ....
God bless us all always
:ty:
And when your sins are brought forth, ye shall be ashamed before men, and your own sins shall be your accusers in that day.
What will ye do? or how will ye hide your sins before God and his angels?
Behold, God himself is the judge, fear him: leave off from your sins, and forget your iniquities, to meddle no more with them for ever: so shall God lead you forth, and deliver you from all trouble.
For, behold, the burning wrath of a great multitude is kindled over you, and they shall take away certain of you, and feed you, being idle, with things offered unto idols.
And they that consent unto them shall be had in derision and in reproach, and trodden under foot.
For there shall be in every place, and in the next cities, a great insurrection upon those that fear the Lord.
They shall be like mad men, sparing none, but still spoiling and destroying those that fear the Lord. For they shall waste and take away their goods, and cast them out of their houses.
:smoke: and that is for you people to decide
whether this true or not . ....
God bless us all always
:ty:
and the time is at hand 
:smoke: are we speaking here about the truth of god
or the truth of monkey :rofl:
:happy: thou we read something about your opinion from
the parables of the prodigal son which is not even near in the
monkey business este we mean
monkey become people?
:now: did we get it right
:ty:
God bless us all always
:smoke: are we speaking here about the truth of god
or the truth of monkey :rofl:
:happy: thou we read something about your opinion from
the parables of the prodigal son which is not even near in the
monkey business este we mean
monkey become people?
:now: did we get it right
:ty:
God bless us all always
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and the time is at hand
:smoke: are we speaking here about the truth of god
or the truth of monkey :rofl:
:happy: thou we read something about your opinion from
the parables of the prodigal son which is not even near in the
monkey business este we mean
monkey become people?
:now: did we get it right
:ty:
God bless us all always
:smoke: are we speaking here about the truth of god
or the truth of monkey :rofl:
:happy: thou we read something about your opinion from
the parables of the prodigal son which is not even near in the
monkey business este we mean
monkey become people?
:now: did we get it right
:ty:
God bless us all always
T
:smoke: likewise
have you known that the god is salvation?
just read the post about telling different truth and tell us again the difference between
Our post and all the comments that were posted here . . ...
:ty:
God bless us all always
have you known that the god is salvation?
just read the post about telling different truth and tell us again the difference between
Our post and all the comments that were posted here . . ...
:ty:
God bless us all always
Jeremiah: 44. 25. Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.
26. Therefore hear ye the word of the LORD, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the LORD, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord GOD liveth.
:smoke: about the queen of heaven
that is written in this verse
God bless us all always
:ty:
26. Therefore hear ye the word of the LORD, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the LORD, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord GOD liveth.
:smoke: about the queen of heaven
that is written in this verse
God bless us all always
:ty:
This line of understanding works for you, fine, but you are not adequately arguing against the proposed counterpoint, you are lancing a sort of strawman. In case you missed my earlier post, there are not only two polar opposite positions to this, truth or lie, fact or fairy tale. There can, and to me "is", a position of more relevant "truth", an even "better wisdom", to be found in the words of Genesis.
We understand your position. Your wholesale rejection of the consideration there are third, fourth, maybe more explanations is stubborn, no less offensive. It is not a "fairy tale", God did not lie. Genesis is pertinent, even more, integrally important, to all of the rest of the inspired subject matter presented in the Word. It simply is not, to me and others, all to be a literal understanding as a news report or straight-forward mathematical equation. If you're going to argue against a point, argue against the point being made, not attribute qualifiers so the concept is more easily defeated.
We understand your position. Your wholesale rejection of the consideration there are third, fourth, maybe more explanations is stubborn, no less offensive. It is not a "fairy tale", God did not lie. Genesis is pertinent, even more, integrally important, to all of the rest of the inspired subject matter presented in the Word. It simply is not, to me and others, all to be a literal understanding as a news report or straight-forward mathematical equation. If you're going to argue against a point, argue against the point being made, not attribute qualifiers so the concept is more easily defeated.
M
I can understand your position and I would say its common among certain groups...buts its unbiblical and it attempts to force the truth to yield to a lie. Now im sure your thinking your using logic and reason in this process?...but im saying there is no real logic or reason in the evolutionary theory ..anymore than we see in many of todays conspiracy theories .
M
Again...lets say that a "yom" is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a yom... lets say that creation in the days could be periods of time...that has nothing to do with evolution and the lie that monkeys become men. Again this is that conspiracy logic, that any possible doubt raised against the written record or any possible circumstance that might in any way seem to agree with evolution must be taken as real evidence. When taking as a whole without a predetermined agenda ..Creation is much more logical than evolution ...you have to want to believe evolution to find any evidence for evolution. You have to want to not believe the bible to find any evidence against the bible.