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No where does it say God kicked them out of His presence. The scripture says that He drove them from the Garden of Eden so that they would not eat of the tree of Life and live in that condition forever! It was an act of His love ..not Him "removing His fellowship" from them! We have such a warped view of our loving heavenly Father He is a good, good Father!
As for the forgiveness of sins....
Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP] [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
As for the forgiveness of sins....
Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP] [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
I'm sorry you feel that way towards God. I have been there too with those types of feelings. Perhaps this scripture may help..
James 1:5 (NASB) [SUP]
[/SUP] But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
It's the word "without reproach" that struck me when I was asking for help from our Lord. I looked reproach up and it means " to lay something to a person's charge". This helped me immensely to view God in the aspect that He is NOT laying anything to my charge. My past is gone! I am a new creation in Christ. There is no condemnation in Him for me!
James 1:5 (NASB) [SUP]
[/SUP] But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
It's the word "without reproach" that struck me when I was asking for help from our Lord. I looked reproach up and it means " to lay something to a person's charge". This helped me immensely to view God in the aspect that He is NOT laying anything to my charge. My past is gone! I am a new creation in Christ. There is no condemnation in Him for me!
Jesus sat down! He is seated. The high priest in the Old Covenant was always standing because the sacrifice was not complete but our High Priest sat down because he is finished.
Hebrews 7:26-27 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens;
[SUP]27 [/SUP] who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
We have an eternal redemption NOW!
We will get the fullness of this redemption when He gives us a new body but the sin question is a done deal!
Hebrews 7:26-27 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens;
[SUP]27 [/SUP] who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
We have an eternal redemption NOW!
We will get the fullness of this redemption when He gives us a new body but the sin question is a done deal!
They will be once we get our minds renewed to who we are in Christ. We are constantly being formed into the image of Christ as we behold Him! We are still righteous and holy in our inner man.
It is much the same principal as a child is still a human while they are growing up to be what they already are within themselves....or an orange tree is still an orange tree even though the fruit has no grown yet. it still does not take away the fact that it is an orange tree.
Does that make sense? Sometimes we can see things within us but when we try to articulate it - it may come out differently.
It is much the same principal as a child is still a human while they are growing up to be what they already are within themselves....or an orange tree is still an orange tree even though the fruit has no grown yet. it still does not take away the fact that it is an orange tree.
Does that make sense? Sometimes we can see things within us but when we try to articulate it - it may come out differently.
Christ was offered once, but his blood on the mercy seat is efficacious until now. In Hebrews 1:3, the verb is aorist tense, which cannot always be translated as past tense. So it's not that Christ made purification for sons and ceased, he is making purification of sins without ceasing.
[Christ], because he continues forever [as a high priest], holds the priesthood permanently. Therefore also he is able to save completely those who draw near to God through him, [because he] always lives in order to intercede on their behalf. Hebrews 7:24-25
No where does it say that the Garden was where God dwelt on earth. It says that He came in the cool of the day to be with them there. And He came to visit people after the Garden was closed off to them He visited with Cain and told him that sin lies at the door and it's desire is for you. So, God did come to visit with people as He did for Abraham as well and He walked with Enoch as well ...all after the garden.
Sin separates us in our minds from God and we hid from Him. That's one of the reason's Jesus came to take away sin so that we could have the hostility that WE have in our minds towards God dealt with.
Colossians 1:21-22 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
[SUP]22 [/SUP] yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
We were enemies towards God in our own minds because of the sin in us!
This idea of "losing fellowship " with God is a terrible attack on the nature of our loving Father and has no basis in scripture no matter how many times we heard it in church.
There is absolutely no scripture that says they were driven from God's presence just because he drove them from the Garden so that they wouldn't eat from the tree of Life. It was an act of love for them.
Sin separates us in our minds from God and we hid from Him. That's one of the reason's Jesus came to take away sin so that we could have the hostility that WE have in our minds towards God dealt with.
Colossians 1:21-22 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
[SUP]22 [/SUP] yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
We were enemies towards God in our own minds because of the sin in us!
This idea of "losing fellowship " with God is a terrible attack on the nature of our loving Father and has no basis in scripture no matter how many times we heard it in church.
There is absolutely no scripture that says they were driven from God's presence just because he drove them from the Garden so that they wouldn't eat from the tree of Life. It was an act of love for them.
2Pe 1:3-9 His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, (4) by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. (5) For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, (6) and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, (7) and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. (8) For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. (9) For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins.
..and are increasing...
..and are increasing...
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crossnote..my man!! Great word for us!
I love the next verse...
2 Peter 1:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9[/SUP] For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins.
If these qualities are not producing in our life it's because we forgot that our sins were forgiven! Beautiful!
I love the next verse...
2 Peter 1:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9[/SUP] For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins.
If these qualities are not producing in our life it's because we forgot that our sins were forgiven! Beautiful!
Again we are the same dilemma! We already had this discussion.
1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP] [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
So it is plainly stated that the one born of God cannot sin! It does not say continuously sin..it says..sin. We sin in the present tense and therefore it is still sin. The reason people say ..."It really means we do not continually sin " ..is that we have to reconcile the truth in these verses in someway because we do know a believer can sin...we sin in our flesh.
Our inner man cannot sin because it is born of the incorruptible seed of the word of God. We are in our inner man 100% righteous and holy as stated in Ephesians 4:24
It's all about understanding the new creation that we are in Christ!
1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP] [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
So it is plainly stated that the one born of God cannot sin! It does not say continuously sin..it says..sin. We sin in the present tense and therefore it is still sin. The reason people say ..."It really means we do not continually sin " ..is that we have to reconcile the truth in these verses in someway because we do know a believer can sin...we sin in our flesh.
Our inner man cannot sin because it is born of the incorruptible seed of the word of God. We are in our inner man 100% righteous and holy as stated in Ephesians 4:24
It's all about understanding the new creation that we are in Christ!