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He used Noah. He used lot.
His patriarchs are his heartbeat,not the wicked.

I will note you left off lot.

You think it is 50 /50?

What will you splice in there?

You have no postrib deliverance on either.

HELLO? RAPTURE.....WHERE IS THE RAPTURE AFTER THE FLOOD???
WHERE IS IT AFTER SODOM?

NOPLACE.

Luke 17:34-37
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.


35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

The one TAKEN is as a carcase to where the vultures (KJV "eagles") will be gathered. The one LEFT BEHIND is the Faithful one waiting on the Real Jesus to return. Tim LaHaye has it backwards.
 

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Oh,I see,anything after 200 ad is error.

Hmmmm,that's not what your teachers say.
Since some of the 1st century Church fathers were disciples connected with Apostle John, yes they did have an insight others later did not have. You'd benefit from studying how they interpreted the end, or maybe not, sine you instead choose to listen to pop fads like the pre-trib rapture fallacy.
 

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The mockery is a thief with an army that does not take a thing.

That's what postrib does to Jesus' words.

That is what is going on in their minds.

Hilarious how they IMAGINE THAT.
No, it's what the pre-trib rapture doctors do to our Lord Jesus' words, telling their deceived followers not to be on watch, when Jesus commanded us to be on watch.

Our Lord Jesus used the watchman idea at the end of Matthew 24 and elsewhere, including in Rev.16:15 when He said He comes "as a thief". The whole idea is that the thief coming at night to break in is NOT to take His watchmen by surprise, as it will those who do NOT watch. The pre-trib doctors telling their deceived followers they don't need to watch should be an immediate red flag!
 

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Sorry,but it says"every man,woman and child,both free and bond,either takes it or dies.

That is rev. And that is one book you guys need to stop twisting. There is a warning IN THE BOOK!!
No, it says those who refuse to bow to the image of the beast are to be killed (Rev.13). It doesn't say everyone is killed. Your pre-trib rapture doctors have a problem interpreting basic verbs in English grammar.

Likewise in the days of Daniel, all who refused to bow to Neb's golden image idol were to be killed. Were they? No (Dan.3).
 

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That scenario does not work.
You guys threw that out "Hodge lodge" to evade the obvious.

Jesus did what he did half the time.he answered in a riddle.

Like; "where there's smoke,there's fire"

You have zero there friend.
Luke 17:34-37
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.


35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV


Luke 17:34-37
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.


35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

There it is again, Jesus' answer to His disciples question of "Where" those TAKEN would be taken to. To the vultures (KJV "eagles" but translated to "vultures" in the NIV).
 

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Hello popeye,

You are correct in that it is not going to be 50/50. This is for DP, as I am sure that you know that this scripture is not speaking about the catching away. In the scripture those who are being "Taken" are being compared to those who were taken away by the flood and therefore, the comparison is wicked to wicked and not righteous to wicked. In other words, just as the wicked were taken away in the flood, so will those wicked be taken when the son of man returns to end the age. Those taken are directly related to the Weeds/tares of the parable in Mt.13, where at the end of the age, the harvesters, who are identified as the angels, are told to "First collect the weeds." Likewise, those who are "the ones taken" are those whom the angels will collect at the end of the age and will be taken to where Armegeddon is and will be killed with that double-edged sword along with those kings, the generals and their armies (Rev.19:17-18,21).

Jesus gives us a clue as to who these are who are taken, as found in Luke's version of this prophecy. After Jesus says to his disciples, "one will be taken and one will be left" the disciples ask "Where Lord?" That is, where are they going to be taken? And the Lord replies "Wherever there is a dead body, there will the birds be gathered." By saying this, Jesus was referring to when they are killed by that double-edged sword and their being eaten by all the birds that the angel calls together in Rev.19:17-18.

Many a teacher have misinterpreted this scripture and continue to do so.
The pre-trib rapture doctors especially like Tim LaHaye, misinterprets that Luke 17 passage, as it is his main basis for the Left-Behind series of books and movies!

So no sense in hiding the fact that pre-trib rapture preachers for years... have been using that first one taken idea to show those taken in a rapture prior to the tribulation, because that is exactly how they have used it. Most pre-tribbers you can't even get them to look at that Luke 17:37 answer by our Lord Jesus!
 

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Laugh if you want but just keep your head down while doing so...

It is all about ISLAM.
It's about the devil and those who worship him as Lucifer. That's who it's about, and they will use any religious or political faction to bring themselves to power in the end, including radical Islamic extremists.
 

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It's about the devil and those who worship him as Lucifer. That's who it's about, and they will use any religious or political faction to bring themselves to power in the end, including radical Islamic extremists.
Exactly, and ISLAM is the devil's religion. This, from Rev 12, is none other than Satan:

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.

This from Rev 13:

Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

This from Rev 17:

And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Notice the 7 heads and 10 horns in each of the passages? John gets this imagery from Daniel:

Daniel 7:23
“Thus he said: ‘The fourth beast shall be A fourth kingdom on earth, Which shall be different from all other kingdoms, And shall devour the whole earth, Trample it and break it in pieces.
The ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom...

Thus a "BEAST" is a KINGDOM or EMPIRE. A horn is a King or Country. The "Woman" is a harlot which means she is a false religion as we see in many passages including this:

Exodus 34:16
and you take of his daughters for your sons, and his daughters play the Harlot with their gods and make your sons play the harlot with their gods.


The last symbol to understand is "Mountain."

Isaiah 2:2
Now it shall come to pass in the latter days That the mountain of the Lord’s house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it.


Thus a "Mountain" is a religion/faith based belief system. So many Christians incorrectly think and are indeed waiting to see, the development of a new One World Faith controlled by the AntiChrist whereby the entire planet must worship Satan through this religion or be killed. This is incorrect. This is not what John is telling us. True, Babylon was a mystery to John. Why? Because this final evil religion was not yet born in his day. But she is alive and well in our day and she came to life in 630 AD.

Let me transliterate Rev 17 for you replacing the symbols with common words. "Horns" which I call "Leaders" may be individual "countries" which were not in existence at the time of John but come into existence towards the end.

Revelation 17:
And I saw a FALSE RELIGION supported by a EMPIRE full of names offensive to God, having seven (historic) Satanic Controlled Empires and ten leaders. 4 The FALSE RELIGION was dressed in colors of royalty and sin, having served a faith full of abominations and the filthiness of her false god worship. 5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF ALL FALSE RELIGIONS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 I saw the FALSE RELIGION with blood on its hands for killing saints/ martyrs of Jesus.
7 But the angel said to me, I will tell you the mystery of the false religion and of the Empire that supports her, which has the seven Empires and the ten leaders. 8 The Empire that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of hell and go to spiritual ruin. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the Empire that was here before, went away but returns.
9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven false spiritual belief systems on which the MOTHER OF ALL FALSE RELIGIONS sits. 10 There are also seven Empires. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The Empire that was, and left, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to damnation.
12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten leaders who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.


Thus Mystery Babylon, the Mother of all False Religions, is very old and was present in other forms throughout history. In each of these past Satanic Empires you had commonality in the gods they worship and the symbols they used. The Crescent Moon and Star was present in every past Empire. In Egypt you had Isis. Look at her Tarot card and the symbol on her head which appear to be horns of a calf (ring a bell?) and a sun/star.

When the Children of Israel went to the Promised Land of Canaan, they encountered Ba'al which is AKA Moloch.

Acts 7:43
You also took up the tabernacle of Moloch, And the star of your god Remphan, Images which you made to worship; And I will carry you away beyond Babylon.’


I tried to attach images of each past beast but the size was too big to post. On Moloch/Ba'al's head the same symbol is present.

The Assyrians had ISTAR who also wore the same symbol.

Next was Belit of Babylon.

The Persians had Mithra who wears a "sun" on his head.

In Greece, you had Helios the Sun god and Artimas the god of the Moon.

In Rome it was Apollo and Diana.

The Byzantine Empire (which was the Eastern Roman Empire) which became the Ottoman Empire used coins with crescent and star symbols which the Ottomans later adopted. I wish I could show the picture.

The symbol of Islam is the same. It is the Crescent Moon and Star. Islam is by far the largest false religion on the planet. It comes complete with a false god ALLAH, his false prophet, Muhammad, and has roots back to Abraham. It will be ISLAMIC nations that rise up against Israel in the end. In the past every beast nation below has enslaved or occupied Israel.

The 7 beasts described by John are as follows:

1.Egypt = Arab/Muslim = Today Islamic
2.Assyria = Arab/Muslim = Today Islamic
3.Babylon = Arab/Muslim = Today Islamic
4.Medo-Persia = Arab/Muslim = Today Islamic
5.Greece = Arab/Muslim = Today Islamic
6.Rome = European = Not Islamic
7.Ottoman = Arab/Muslim = Today Islamic

Each of the above BEAST kingdoms we in a line of successive empires, each having defeated the one prior. Satan's influenced and controlled each and each persecuted Israel. The succession of empires ended with the Ottoman Empire (mortal wound). But she is coming back and will continue a short time.

A new global religion cannot and does not fit as it would not have the historical context of religions and past empires which enslaved Israel and supported the false religion. Islam fits every clue. Islam beheads Christians and hates and wishes to destroy Jews. Muslims backed Hitler.

ISLAM is the Pink Elephant in the room and is so obviously Mystery Babylon yet nobody sees it as such because it is hiding in plain sight. Because most Christians incorrectly interpret Rev 13 and most of Revelation for that matter, they are missing what is right in front of them. Most Christians are not even aware of the threat posed to them by Islam and the spiritual and actual warfare that is being waged against us. Things are going to get a lot worse before Christ returns. Christianity is all but completely gone in all the nations which surround Israel and Christianity is on a sharp decline in much of Europe where mosques are replacing churches at an alarming rate. Christianity is "falling away" just as Paul predicted.
 
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i forgot.

world to you is not world

EARTH to me is not WORLD.


If you are going to quote me, please do so accurately.

I already proved to you that the "EARTH" is not the entire planet. It is the known earth of Daniel (and John's day).
 

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Exactly, and ISLAM is the devil's religion. This, from Rev 12, is none other than Satan:

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.

This from Rev 13:

Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

This from Rev 17:

And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Notice the 7 heads and 10 horns in each of the passages? John gets this imagery from Daniel:

Daniel 7:23
“Thus he said: ‘The fourth beast shall be A fourth kingdom on earth, Which shall be different from all other kingdoms, And shall devour the whole earth, Trample it and break it in pieces.
The ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom...

Thus a "BEAST" is a KINGDOM or EMPIRE. A horn is a King or Country. The "Woman" is a harlot which means she is a false religion as we see in many passages including this:

Exodus 34:16
and you take of his daughters for your sons, and his daughters play the Harlot with their gods and make your sons play the harlot with their gods.


The last symbol to understand is "Mountain."

Isaiah 2:2
Now it shall come to pass in the latter days That the mountain of the Lord’s house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it.


Thus a "Mountain" is a religion/faith based belief system. So many Christians incorrectly think and are indeed waiting to see, the development of a new One World Faith controlled by the AntiChrist whereby the entire planet must worship Satan through this religion or be killed. This is incorrect. This is not what John is telling us. True, Babylon was a mystery to John. Why? Because this final evil religion was not yet born in his day. But she is alive and well in our day and she came to life in 630 AD.

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You're missing the point of the last verse of Rev.17 which shows the symbolic "woman", the Babylon harlot, is a city, not a nation, nor a religion, nor a people.

You're also missing the point our Lord Jesus showed in Matt.24:23-26 about the coming pseudo-Christ, meaning a fake coming in the role of Messiah, the Messiah of Israel, not Islam.

That is what is dependent upon the rebuilding of another Jewish temple in Jerusalem also, which is where the "abomination of desolation" event Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel is to occur, which requires a standing Jewish temple.

The followers of Lucifer are the creators of today's one-world brotherhood religious idea, and that is how they will proclaim the coming Antichrist that will proclaim himself as God. Otherwise the orthodox Jews would never accept that fake as their Messiah, and nor would any believer on Christ Jesus accept that fake one unless he claims to be Jesus, nor anyone of any other religion would either. The coming false one will be God to all religions, working great signs and miracles on earth that none other than The Christ could do, which our Heavenly Father is going to allow him to do.

Thus the main warning for the end when that fake Christ appears, is not about fearing being executed, but to not be deceived, because that is what the "strong delusion" is that Apostle Paul warned of concerning that false one sitting in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God, exalting himself over all that is called God, or that is worshiped (2 Thess.2:4).

So it will ... be about one-world religion, which is why on 9/11 we were even shown first signs of different religious heads getting together on U.S. national radio, each saying a prayer per their specific religion.

The radical extremists of Islam will soon be defeated, and will play the Luciferian's one-world religious game along with the rest of the world's religions for the end, it's just a matter of time. This next world war that is coming will only be a planned contrast in order to complete the one-world system and bring in their fake messiah for the short time of world peace at the end, and that's when the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety" like Apostle Paul said in 1 Thess.5.
 

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Luke 17:34-37
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.


35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

The one TAKEN is as a carcase to where the vultures (KJV "eagles") will be gathered. The one LEFT BEHIND is the Faithful one waiting on the Real Jesus to return. Tim LaHaye has it backwards.

YES. YES. YES.
Let's not forget the same exact lesson in Mat 13 the wheat and tares:

[SUP]30 [/SUP]Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”
[SUP]38 [/SUP]The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. [SUP]39 [/SUP]The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. [SUP]40 [/SUP]Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. [SUP]41 [/SUP]The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, [SUP]42 [/SUP]and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!


  1. The Harvest is at the end of the age (Not at some point before the GT)
  2. The enemy who sowed the tares is the Devil
  3. Jesus' angels remove the tares/wicked and this is done first!!

I recently returned from Israel. It is very hard to tell the Muslims from the Jews when they are not in obvious religious attire. The Muslim and Jews are "growing" together. The spiritual kingdom is already established but the earthly kingdom where Jesus will reign during the Millennium will be in Jerusalem. Therefore all Muslims must be removed from the Holy Land where Jesus will rule.

Where are they taken DP?
You said it. To where the Eagles (Vultures) are gathered.

And just where is that? Armageddon perhaps?

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, [SUP]18 [/SUP]that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”

The word "PEOPLE" was not in the original text, it was added. So we have

FREE
SLAVE
SMALL
GREAT


But who are these peoples? The same people mentioned here?

[SUP]16 [/SUP]He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
[SUP]17 [/SUP]and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Again, we have:

FREE
SLAVE
RICH
POOR
SMALL
GREAT


Sure sounds like the same peoples doesn't it? But just who are these people who need to be removed from among the God's chosen? Who lives in and around and among Israel? Who needs to be taken out?

Paul defines them here in Gal 4:

[SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, [SUP]24 [/SUP]which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— [SUP]25 [/SUP]for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— [SUP]26 [/SUP]but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written:

“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”


[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” [SUP]31 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.


Can you not see the terms used by Paul to describe Muslims?

Flesh - the birds eat the flesh.
Lack of Husband.
BOND or SLAVE

What is said about Mystery Babylon, the Harlot?

...for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’

Oh, but she is without a husband even though she has many children (1/4 of the world)

Which faith enslaves (5 calls to worship/day), Sheria Law, Trip to Mecca? Do we see the concept of their captive in Revelation?

Revelation 13:10

He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

But DP, you are so right about the Rapture. These pre-tribbers are taking passages which speak of how the Angels will remove the tares (Muslims) from among the Jews and take them to Armageddon to be slaughtered and they turn the lesson into a catching up of Saints in a fabricated pre-trib rapture. They have the entire subject matter wrong from these passages.
 
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DP, dear friend, but I do not miss this very important clue:

You're missing the point of the last verse of Rev.17 which shows the symbolic "woman", the Babylon harlot, is a city, not a nation, nor a religion, nor a people.
The "GREAT CITY" is none other than Mecca. Step back a couple of verses:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.

The waters where the HARLOT sits are peoples, right? Can you see a SEA of PEOPLE in the below?

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You're also missing the point our Lord Jesus showed in Matt.24:23-26 about the coming pseudo-Christ, meaning a fake coming in the role of Messiah, the Messiah of Israel, not Islam.
The Muslims are awaiting this very character.
 

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That is what is dependent upon the rebuilding of another Jewish temple in Jerusalem also, which is where the "abomination of desolation" event Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel is to occur, which requires a standing Jewish temple.
Neither Jesus nor Daniel mention anything about a 3rd temple in Jerusalem. JEWISH TEMPLE? Where is that stated?

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

I see a "Holy Place" mentioned but no Jewish Temple. Jesus is simply saying that when the A of D is seen that those in Judea better get out of Dodge and fast!! He doesn't say where the A of D is located other than in the Holy Place. Whose holy place? Do Muslims have a Holy Place or is it only the Jews?

What does Daniel say?

“So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery;

I see a "Sanctuary Fortress" but no 3rd Jewish Temple.

Also, above the word "Sacrifices" was added. There are no sacrifices and there will be no sacrifices. The "daily" is a prayer. He will take away prayer, not sacrifices. The word "there" is also added in this text:

and place there the abomination of desolation.

Many assume that the "there" in this passages refers back to the undefined sanctuary fortress but what it really says is this:

and place the abomination of desolation.

Who are the desolate? I already showed you from Gal 4, they are Muslims.
 

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DP,

Have you ever heard the Muslim call to worship music? I have spent some time abroad in Muslim countries. They wake you up at the crack of dawn with this God-awful racket. They take to the streets, face Mecca and fall down and pray. The time of their prayers is based on the position of the sun. Check this out and see if you can recognize any similarities:

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DP,

I am not giving up on you yet:D. You have not been deceived by this rapture nonsense so let see if you can follow this. I am going to show in the next few slides how Mecca is the Great City which gets nuked (by radical Islamists no less) and how it all fits.

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