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Hello popeye,
You are correct in that it is not going to be 50/50. This is for DP, as I am sure that you know that this scripture is not speaking about the catching away. In the scripture those who are being "Taken" are being compared to those who were taken away by the flood and therefore, the comparison is wicked to wicked and not righteous to wicked. In other words, just as the wicked were taken away in the flood, so will those wicked be taken when the son of man returns to end the age. Those taken are directly related to the Weeds/tares of the parable in Mt.13, where at the end of the age, the harvesters, who are identified as the angels, are told to "First collect the weeds." Likewise, those who are "the ones taken" are those whom the angels will collect at the end of the age and will be taken to where Armegeddon is and will be killed with that double-edged sword along with those kings, the generals and their armies (Rev.19:17-18,21).
Jesus gives us a clue as to who these are who are taken, as found in Luke's version of this prophecy. After Jesus says to his disciples, "one will be taken and one will be left" the disciples ask "Where Lord?" That is, where are they going to be taken? And the Lord replies "Wherever there is a dead body, there will the birds be gathered." By saying this, Jesus was referring to when they are killed by that double-edged sword and their being eaten by all the birds that the angel calls together in Rev.19:17-18.
Many a teacher have misinterpreted this scripture and continue to do so.
You are correct in that it is not going to be 50/50. This is for DP, as I am sure that you know that this scripture is not speaking about the catching away. In the scripture those who are being "Taken" are being compared to those who were taken away by the flood and therefore, the comparison is wicked to wicked and not righteous to wicked. In other words, just as the wicked were taken away in the flood, so will those wicked be taken when the son of man returns to end the age. Those taken are directly related to the Weeds/tares of the parable in Mt.13, where at the end of the age, the harvesters, who are identified as the angels, are told to "First collect the weeds." Likewise, those who are "the ones taken" are those whom the angels will collect at the end of the age and will be taken to where Armegeddon is and will be killed with that double-edged sword along with those kings, the generals and their armies (Rev.19:17-18,21).
Jesus gives us a clue as to who these are who are taken, as found in Luke's version of this prophecy. After Jesus says to his disciples, "one will be taken and one will be left" the disciples ask "Where Lord?" That is, where are they going to be taken? And the Lord replies "Wherever there is a dead body, there will the birds be gathered." By saying this, Jesus was referring to when they are killed by that double-edged sword and their being eaten by all the birds that the angel calls together in Rev.19:17-18.
Many a teacher have misinterpreted this scripture and continue to do so.
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You're an awesome dude but we disagree on both of those points. The typology of the ark,Noah and fam gathered Preflood,and then lifted into the heavens is unavoidable as a message. And zero deliverance postjudgement.
On the "one taken",that is the rapture. There is no wicked taken first scenario anywhere. Besides,that scenario says half the earths population is righteous.
And they stay behind for what? It only works with a pretrib rapture .5wise 5foolish. That fits perfectly.there is no possibility of anything relating to a half righteous,half wicked group.
"vultures /eagles /birds" ,"corpses", do not fit any doctrine out there...nada...
That in fact is why everybody gets thrown off the trail. They look hard and deep,deep, deep into what they do not realize,is infact,a riddle.
On the "one taken",that is the rapture. There is no wicked taken first scenario anywhere. Besides,that scenario says half the earths population is righteous.
And they stay behind for what? It only works with a pretrib rapture .5wise 5foolish. That fits perfectly.there is no possibility of anything relating to a half righteous,half wicked group.
"vultures /eagles /birds" ,"corpses", do not fit any doctrine out there...nada...
That in fact is why everybody gets thrown off the trail. They look hard and deep,deep, deep into what they do not realize,is infact,a riddle.
I think that you misunderstood what I wrote. I said that it is NOT GOING TO Be 50/50. This scripture is not speaking about the catching away, but about the wicked being taken.
I just gave you the scripture regarding the vultures, so why would you say "nada?" In saying this, Jesus is referring to Rev.19:17 when he is returning to the earth and that angel is gathering the birds of the air together for great supper of God. Those who are being "Taken" are gathered by the angels and are brought back to where all those kings, their general's and their armies are gathered and all of them are killed with the double-edged sword. Those taken are being compared to those who were taken in the flood, both groups being the wicked. The one's taken is in no way representing the catching away.
When the disciples ask Jesus where they are being taken to and he says, "wherever the dead body is, there will the birds be gathered together" don't you think that would be a strange answer if this was in reference to the rapture?
I just gave you the scripture regarding the vultures, so why would you say "nada?" In saying this, Jesus is referring to Rev.19:17 when he is returning to the earth and that angel is gathering the birds of the air together for great supper of God. Those who are being "Taken" are gathered by the angels and are brought back to where all those kings, their general's and their armies are gathered and all of them are killed with the double-edged sword. Those taken are being compared to those who were taken in the flood, both groups being the wicked. The one's taken is in no way representing the catching away.
When the disciples ask Jesus where they are being taken to and he says, "wherever the dead body is, there will the birds be gathered together" don't you think that would be a strange answer if this was in reference to the rapture?
Well let me ask you this, is not the event of the birds eating those whom Christ kills with the double-edged sword at the end of the age? Likewise, is not the parable of the "One taken, one left" also not referring to the end of the age? The answer is yes! Both the event of the "One taken, one left" and the event where those weeds are collected, are both referring to the end of the age when Jesus returns to the earth. When Jesus says "wherever there is a dead body, there will the birds be gathered" he is pointing to when he returns to end the age when those people who will have been collected by the angels (one taken) and brought to that place where everyone has been gathered to be killed.
Those weeds in the parable of Mt.13 who are being collected first by the angels, are synonymous with the "one taken" group.
Regarding the above, I think that you are not taking into consideration that, when Jesus returns to end the age, the majority of the earth's population will have been greatly decimated. At the 4th seal a fourth of the inhabitants of the earth are killed and at the 6th trumpet a third of the inhabitants are killed. Just with those two percentages, based on 7 billion people that would come out to roughly 4.4 billion people and that doesn't include the fatalities resulting from the first three trumpets nor of the results of the bowl judgments. My guestimation is that by the time Jesus returns, there will be less than 10% of the population left and that's being generous. That being said, it is not a great stretch to have half of that population that is left as being the weeds, those who will have worshiped the beast, his image and received his mark and the other being the wheat who will include Israel who will been cared for out in the desert by God and the remnant of the great tribulation saints who also will have made through.
Also, the fact that this scenario is referring to the end of the age when Jesus is returning to the earth to end the age, would demonstrate that the church cannot be in view here as those who are taken and that because it would put the church through the entire wrath of, which we are not appointed to suffer. The church is resurrected and caught up prior to any of the events of the seals, trumpet and bowl judgments.
The event of the "one taken" takes place at the end of the seven years right when Jesus is returning to the earth, which is why those weeds are being collected by the angels and will be killed by that double-edged sword where the birds will eat their flesh, ergo, wherever there is a dead body, there will the birds gather.
Those weeds in the parable of Mt.13 who are being collected first by the angels, are synonymous with the "one taken" group.
Regarding the above, I think that you are not taking into consideration that, when Jesus returns to end the age, the majority of the earth's population will have been greatly decimated. At the 4th seal a fourth of the inhabitants of the earth are killed and at the 6th trumpet a third of the inhabitants are killed. Just with those two percentages, based on 7 billion people that would come out to roughly 4.4 billion people and that doesn't include the fatalities resulting from the first three trumpets nor of the results of the bowl judgments. My guestimation is that by the time Jesus returns, there will be less than 10% of the population left and that's being generous. That being said, it is not a great stretch to have half of that population that is left as being the weeds, those who will have worshiped the beast, his image and received his mark and the other being the wheat who will include Israel who will been cared for out in the desert by God and the remnant of the great tribulation saints who also will have made through.
Also, the fact that this scenario is referring to the end of the age when Jesus is returning to the earth to end the age, would demonstrate that the church cannot be in view here as those who are taken and that because it would put the church through the entire wrath of, which we are not appointed to suffer. The church is resurrected and caught up prior to any of the events of the seals, trumpet and bowl judgments.
The event of the "one taken" takes place at the end of the seven years right when Jesus is returning to the earth, which is why those weeds are being collected by the angels and will be killed by that double-edged sword where the birds will eat their flesh, ergo, wherever there is a dead body, there will the birds gather.
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40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Those taken ,are taken in the pretrib rapture.
It even tells you,right there.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Those taken ,are taken in the pretrib rapture.
It even tells you,right there.
LOL.
1. The 7th Beast is over. It was the Ottoman Empire. Not surprised you missed it since it was mortally wounded in 1922. Please pay close attention and try to follow.
And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns...
Notice the beast already has seven heads (Kingdoms), thus it is not the 7th beast. It is the 8th, see below:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
Thus the Ottoman Empire comes back to life and is the 8th.
2. You will see NOTHING in Rev 13, 17 or 18 that identifies Jerusalem.
3. Wrong. It is those who "Dwell on the Earth" who will worship the 8th BEAST, the one who was wounded by the sword (Ottoman) and lived. The "Earth" is a specific part of the planet. It isn't the entire planet. Daniel defines the EARTH in Daniel 8 if you want to check it out.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
You have to understand who "those who dwell on the earth are." It took me years to figure it out. You have to go back to Gen 10 and understand which family is being spoken of, who founded and follow ISLAM:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]These were the families of the sons of Noah, according to their generations, in their nations; and from these the nations were divided on the earth after the flood.
ISLAM recognizes Abraham as their father through Ishmael. Ishmael's mother was Hagar, the Egyptian. Those who went to Egypt after the Flood and after the Land was divided were descendants of Ham who was the Father of Canaan who was cursed for sleeping with Noah's wife while Noah was drunk and Ham put Canaan up to it. Sodom and Gomorrah came from Canaan's offspring which is an interesting tidbit for you.
Nimrod who founded Babel was a descendant also of Ham. Nimrod was the son of Cush, who was Canaan's brother. Babel was the original Babylon and was the birthplace of Idol worship after the Flood. There is a reason why God calls ISLAM, "Mystery Babylon" because it has roots back to Babylon and Simarimis and Nimrod at Babel. Simarimis was Nimrod's mother and wife and she is credited by many of starting all types of evil behavior including idol worship - Just a little history lesson from one who studies.
4. Hopefully you can now have a better understanding of what spiritually "Sodom and Egypt" represents. It is NOT LITERAL JERUSALEM my friend. It is spiritual wickedness from Satan. The "2 WITNESSES" are the 2 churches, EAST (GREEK) and WEST (ROMAN CATHOLIC) which are "killed" by these ancient wicked forces of Satan. Thus, they are not 2 fire-breathing men who stand on the Temple Mount and are killed by a Beast which crawls up from the earth.
This is all I have time for now. If you want further knowledge, let me know I will address the rest of your post. But if you are content in your false thinking, I won't waste my time.
1. The 7th Beast is over. It was the Ottoman Empire. Not surprised you missed it since it was mortally wounded in 1922. Please pay close attention and try to follow.
And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns...
Notice the beast already has seven heads (Kingdoms), thus it is not the 7th beast. It is the 8th, see below:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
Thus the Ottoman Empire comes back to life and is the 8th.
2. You will see NOTHING in Rev 13, 17 or 18 that identifies Jerusalem.
3. Wrong. It is those who "Dwell on the Earth" who will worship the 8th BEAST, the one who was wounded by the sword (Ottoman) and lived. The "Earth" is a specific part of the planet. It isn't the entire planet. Daniel defines the EARTH in Daniel 8 if you want to check it out.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
You have to understand who "those who dwell on the earth are." It took me years to figure it out. You have to go back to Gen 10 and understand which family is being spoken of, who founded and follow ISLAM:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]These were the families of the sons of Noah, according to their generations, in their nations; and from these the nations were divided on the earth after the flood.
ISLAM recognizes Abraham as their father through Ishmael. Ishmael's mother was Hagar, the Egyptian. Those who went to Egypt after the Flood and after the Land was divided were descendants of Ham who was the Father of Canaan who was cursed for sleeping with Noah's wife while Noah was drunk and Ham put Canaan up to it. Sodom and Gomorrah came from Canaan's offspring which is an interesting tidbit for you.
Nimrod who founded Babel was a descendant also of Ham. Nimrod was the son of Cush, who was Canaan's brother. Babel was the original Babylon and was the birthplace of Idol worship after the Flood. There is a reason why God calls ISLAM, "Mystery Babylon" because it has roots back to Babylon and Simarimis and Nimrod at Babel. Simarimis was Nimrod's mother and wife and she is credited by many of starting all types of evil behavior including idol worship - Just a little history lesson from one who studies.
4. Hopefully you can now have a better understanding of what spiritually "Sodom and Egypt" represents. It is NOT LITERAL JERUSALEM my friend. It is spiritual wickedness from Satan. The "2 WITNESSES" are the 2 churches, EAST (GREEK) and WEST (ROMAN CATHOLIC) which are "killed" by these ancient wicked forces of Satan. Thus, they are not 2 fire-breathing men who stand on the Temple Mount and are killed by a Beast which crawls up from the earth.
This is all I have time for now. If you want further knowledge, let me know I will address the rest of your post. But if you are content in your false thinking, I won't waste my time.
Way back in 1914, my Mother then age seven was sent to a Christian Childrens home along with her elder Sister and younger Brother. The reason being that their Father,(My Grandfather), died of Tuberculosis age 39. Their Mother was
eight months pregnant at the time and there was very little welfare support in those days. Anyway she and her siblings were treated well. The only thing is that the Head of the home believed in the Rapture doctrine. When my Mother then age seven went anywhere and saw no one around she thought the Rapture had happened and that she had been left behind. My Mother died in 1981 and being saved is with the Lord. Anyway one hundred and one years later this heresy is still being toted around, and you don't need to be just seven to lose sleep over it.
eight months pregnant at the time and there was very little welfare support in those days. Anyway she and her siblings were treated well. The only thing is that the Head of the home believed in the Rapture doctrine. When my Mother then age seven went anywhere and saw no one around she thought the Rapture had happened and that she had been left behind. My Mother died in 1981 and being saved is with the Lord. Anyway one hundred and one years later this heresy is still being toted around, and you don't need to be just seven to lose sleep over it.
Paul said the "day of the Lord" comes "as a thief", 1 Thess.5.
Peter said the "day of the Lord" comes "as a thief", 2 Pet.3:10.
Paul also said we are not gathered until the "day of Christ" which is actually "day of the Lord" in the Greek, 2 Thess.2.
Jesus said He comes "as a thief", Rev.16:15 (saying that within the 6th Vial timing).
Jesus said His coming and gathering of the saints is after... the tribulation, Matt.24:29-31.
"Those who will not be counseled cannot be helped." - Benjamin Franklin.
Peter said the "day of the Lord" comes "as a thief", 2 Pet.3:10.
Paul also said we are not gathered until the "day of Christ" which is actually "day of the Lord" in the Greek, 2 Thess.2.
Jesus said He comes "as a thief", Rev.16:15 (saying that within the 6th Vial timing).
Jesus said His coming and gathering of the saints is after... the tribulation, Matt.24:29-31.
"Those who will not be counseled cannot be helped." - Benjamin Franklin.