Is the Devil bound right now...?
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yes, after seeking God's permission, as he also had to in the case of Peter.
His restraint was lifted for a while and he was allowed out of the Abyss.
That is assuming that it was Satan himself and not one of his minions.
Scripture regularly portrays activity in terms of the one finally responsible when he is operating through others..
His restraint was lifted for a while and he was allowed out of the Abyss.
That is assuming that it was Satan himself and not one of his minions.
Scripture regularly portrays activity in terms of the one finally responsible when he is operating through others..
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:rofl: which cross are we speaking now
† : not a literal cross as those roman empire in the early times
uses cross as one of their death penalties to show their jugdement
to all the people how their empire execute their laws
as for today some counties uses lethal injection or electric chair
as punisment for a heinous crime
:rofl: what if jesus was been to death by means of electric chair or lethal injection
and even a firing squad then someone here here will say
satan is bound by the power of electric chair ect ect blah blah
we hate to say this but this answers those who thinks
literally in the scriptures
:smoke: the truth is our lord jesus christ
bound all the sins of the world during that time
but not up to this time for his disviples gave us the
true gospel to learn not to be greater than the
word of god itself
:read:
1 John: 1. 1. That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2. (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3. That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
God bless us all always
:ty:
† : not a literal cross as those roman empire in the early times
uses cross as one of their death penalties to show their jugdement
to all the people how their empire execute their laws
as for today some counties uses lethal injection or electric chair as punisment for a heinous crime
:rofl: what if jesus was been to death by means of electric chair or lethal injection
and even a firing squad then someone here here will say
satan is bound by the power of electric chair ect ect blah blah
we hate to say this but this answers those who thinks literally in the scriptures
:smoke: the truth is our lord jesus christ
bound all the sins of the world during that time
but not up to this time for his disviples gave us the
true gospel to learn not to be greater than the
word of god itself
:read:
1 John: 1. 1. That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2. (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3. That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
God bless us all always
:ty:
:rofl: which cross are we speaking now
† : not a literal cross as those people who were incharge
from the roman empire in the early times
uses cross as one of their death penalties to show their jugdement
to all the people how their empire execute their laws
as for today some counties uses lethal injection or electric chair
as punisment for a heinous crimes
:rofl: what if jesus was been to death by means of electric chair or lethal injection
and even a firing squad then someone here here will say
satan is bound by the power of electric chair ect ect blah blah
we hate to say this but this answers those who thinks
literally in the scriptures
:smoke: the truth is our lord jesus christ
bound all the sins of the world during that time
but not up to this time for his disciples gave us the
true gospel of our lord jesus christ
to learn not to be greater than the
word of god itself
:read:
1 John: 1. 1. That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2. (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3. That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1 Corinthians 4:6
And these matters, brothers, I have applied in a figure to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you might learn not to think beyond what is written, so that none of you be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
God bless us all always
:ty:
† : not a literal cross as those people who were incharge
from the roman empire in the early times
uses cross as one of their death penalties to show their jugdement
to all the people how their empire execute their laws
as for today some counties uses lethal injection or electric chair as punisment for a heinous crimes
:rofl: what if jesus was been to death by means of electric chair or lethal injection
and even a firing squad then someone here here will say
satan is bound by the power of electric chair ect ect blah blah
we hate to say this but this answers those who thinks literally in the scriptures
:smoke: the truth is our lord jesus christ
bound all the sins of the world during that time
but not up to this time for his disciples gave us the
true gospel of our lord jesus christ
to learn not to be greater than the
word of god itself
:read:
1 John: 1. 1. That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2. (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3. That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1 Corinthians 4:6
And these matters, brothers, I have applied in a figure to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you might learn not to think beyond what is written, so that none of you be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
God bless us all always
:ty:
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Well, Jesus wantet establish his kingdom on earth, as the prophets of the OT told.. And the Jews expectet the MESSIAH to come. This was there believe. Jesus 3 years ministrie showed that he was the Messiah. In John 20,30-31 we read that all what he did was to proof that he is the Christus, the Messiah, the son of God.
In Mt. 12,28+29 he shows that he has the power over the Demons and over Satan. But he uses this power not to bind Satan yet. Satan all the time was limitet in compare with God. God allows him to do what he is doing. (f.e. in book of Job).
With his death at the cross Jesus paid for our all sin. So that Satan has no right anymore to say your are guilty! And with his ressurection Jesus shows that he has the power to take and to give live.
In this understandig of course satan is defeatet and limitet in his power and time. But he is not bound. If you bound somebody, than this person has no longer power to do anything. To say that satan is bound today is according my view from our today world wrong. Satan is still acting. But he will be bound in future (rev. 20,1-3) for 1000 years and i have no reason to understand this 1000 years other as literal. After the final battle he will be thrown in the sea of fire (Rev.20,10) forever. Then he is finally bound and cant do anything harm again!
I find what you say quite astonishing. JESUS SAID HE HAD BOUND HIM. I really don't care how you wriggle round it, I prefer to believe Jesus. He did know what He was talking abut. He clearly saw it as more than the limitations put on him in Job.
JESUS SAID HE HAD BOUND HIM. JESUS SAID HE HAD BOUND HIM.JESUS SAID HE HAD BOUND HIM. If the Scriptures mean anything He was bound THEN.
Who are you and I to argue with Him?
JESUS SAID HE HAD BOUND HIM. JESUS SAID HE HAD BOUND HIM.JESUS SAID HE HAD BOUND HIM. If the Scriptures mean anything He was bound THEN.
Who are you and I to argue with Him?
:smoke: when our lord jesus christ
tells something about those evil things
he is more accurate and precise and
not someone who put their own thinking
literally twisting what the scriptures says
:rofl: and somes were even interprets jesus words
for the sakes of his own self denial
who even deny this verses :haha:
:read:
Philippians 2:21
For all seek their own interests, not those of Messiah יהושע.
when we:ve seen someone before tells everyone to follow
what the scriptures say for the scriptures interprets itself . ...
: : and not by us nor
by your own thoughts my brother
you will never know the secret until satan is bound by
:read:
Revelation of John 20:1
And I saw a messenger coming down from the heaven, having the key to the pit of the deep and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he seized the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
3 and he threw him into the pit of the deep, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should lead the nations no more astray until the thousand years were ended. And after that he has to be released for a little while.
:ty:
God bless us all always
tells something about those evil things
he is more accurate and precise and
not someone who put their own thinking
literally twisting what the scriptures says
:rofl: and somes were even interprets jesus words
for the sakes of his own self denial
who even deny this verses :haha:
:read:
Philippians 2:21
For all seek their own interests, not those of Messiah יהושע.
when we:ve seen someone before tells everyone to follow what the scriptures say for the scriptures interprets itself . ...
: : and not by us nor
by your own thoughts my brother
you will never know the secret until satan is bound by
:read:
Revelation of John 20:1
And I saw a messenger coming down from the heaven, having the key to the pit of the deep and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he seized the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
3 and he threw him into the pit of the deep, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should lead the nations no more astray until the thousand years were ended. And after that he has to be released for a little while.
:ty:
God bless us all always
Valliant, when i am not wrong, then you say that satan is bound since Jesus defeat him at cross. If somebody is bound, then he is not free. According my understanding. But why then Gods Spirit warns the believers in 1.Peter 5,8 from the danger of Satan? If he would be bound yet, we dont must fear him, because he cant harm us. Back to the question of the thread:
Is Satan bound? No he is not! But he is limited in his power and he can only do what God allows him to do.
Is Satan bound? No he is not! But he is limited in his power and he can only do what God allows him to do.
Satan was bound the moment that Jesus said he was bound (Matt 12.28-29). That was well before the cross. It enabled people to be delivered out of Satan's power because Satan's minions had lost their power with his downfall. They were in turmoil. He was further bound at the cross when his power was limited in that he could no longer cause people to fear death (Heb 2.14-15) . He was further bound at the resurrection when his chief minions were led in triumph (and therefore in chains) by the triumph of Jesus (Col 2.13). This was further proof that Satan was bound. He could do nothing to prevent it.
That is partly but not wholly true. He is still free to use what powers are available to him, and Satan has great powers available to him. Thus whilst imprisoned in the Abyss (Rev 9.11),which is a restricted part of the heavenlies, he can still order his minions around. He can make use of spiritual wickedness in the heavenlies (Eph 6.10 ff). He can still use men to walk about seeking whom they may devour (1 Peter 5.8). Notice however the non-mention of him in Rev 13-19. There must be some reason for this. It is that he is bound, even though having wide influence.
LOL you mean he is bound? On that we can agree. He will be restrained until the restraining angel is taken out of the way (2 Thess 2).
That is partly but not wholly true. He is still free to use what powers are available to him, and Satan has great powers available to him. Thus whilst imprisoned in the Abyss (Rev 9.11),which is a restricted part of the heavenlies, he can still order his minions around. He can make use of spiritual wickedness in the heavenlies (Eph 6.10 ff). He can still use men to walk about seeking whom they may devour (1 Peter 5.8). Notice however the non-mention of him in Rev 13-19. There must be some reason for this. It is that he is bound, even though having wide influence.
LOL you mean he is bound? On that we can agree. He will be restrained until the restraining angel is taken out of the way (2 Thess 2).
Hi wolfwint,
You are correct! The scripture in Rev.20:1-3 that Satan is literally bound and that under the earth in the Abyss. You have to remember that you are dealing with an Amillennialist and therefore, they have slapped on an allegorical/spiritual interpretation to these events in order to defend their positions. The scripture never says that Satan was "bound" at the cross, but that by Christ meeting the righteous requirements of the law (which humanity could never do) and paying the penalty for our sins, he freed us from the curse of the law, which was Satan's and the powers of darkness ammunition against us.
"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
The scripture above says nothing about Satan being bound. He currently has the same power to deceive humanity that he's always had. The scripture in Rev.20:1-3 however, speaks of Satan's literal binding under the earth in the Abyss where he will have no access at all to the surface of the earth which will keep him from having any exposure to the inhabitants of the earth during the thousand year reign of Christ.
"We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them. We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
You are correct! The scripture in Rev.20:1-3 that Satan is literally bound and that under the earth in the Abyss. You have to remember that you are dealing with an Amillennialist and therefore, they have slapped on an allegorical/spiritual interpretation to these events in order to defend their positions. The scripture never says that Satan was "bound" at the cross, but that by Christ meeting the righteous requirements of the law (which humanity could never do) and paying the penalty for our sins, he freed us from the curse of the law, which was Satan's and the powers of darkness ammunition against us.
"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
The scripture above says nothing about Satan being bound. He currently has the same power to deceive humanity that he's always had. The scripture in Rev.20:1-3 however, speaks of Satan's literal binding under the earth in the Abyss where he will have no access at all to the surface of the earth which will keep him from having any exposure to the inhabitants of the earth during the thousand year reign of Christ.
"We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them. We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
And the beast which was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes to perdition. And the ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive authority as kings one hour (mian hōran) with the beast. These have one mind, and their power and authority they shall give up to the beast. These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and the ones with Him are the called and elect and faithful ones.(Rev 17.11 – 14)
Yes...Satan is bound!
Heb 2.14
επει ουν τα παιδια κεκοινωνηκεν αιματος και σαρκος και αυτος παραπλησιως μετεσχεν των αυτων ινα δια του θανατου καταργηση τον το κρατος εχοντα του θανατου τουτ εστιν τον διαβολον
epei oun ta paidia kekoinōnēken haimatos kai sarkos kai autos paraplēsiōs meteschen tōn autōn hina dia tou thanatou katargēsē ton to kratos echonta tou thanatou tout' estin ton diabolon
Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, in like manner He Himself also shared the same things, that through death He might render entirely idle the one having the power of death, that is, the devil;
καταργηση = ‘katargēsē’
‘katargēsē’ definition:
Strong’s #G2673.Aorist tense verb, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] person singular. The Devil is to be reduced to inactivity through the death of Christ (Heb 2.14). The Epistle to the Hebrews fills out this declaration by stating that through the death of Christ even the one who has power over death, the devil, is condemned to inactivity or ineffectiveness in relation to the Christian (Heb 2.14).To cause something to come to an end or no longer in existence, abolish, wipe out, set aside.To render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative. To cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency. To deprive of force, influence, power. To cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish. To cease, to pass away, be done away. To be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one.To terminate all intercourse with one. to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively: - abolish, cease, cumber, deliver, destroy, do away, become (make) of no (none, without) effect, fail, loose, bring (come) to nought, put away (down), vanish away, make void. To cause something to be unproductive, use up, exhaust, waste.To cause something to lose its power or effectiveness, invalidate, make powerless.From #G2596 & #G691.
Strong’s #G2596.Down from.
Strong’s #G691.To be idle.
References:
Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT), Gerhard Kittel, Gerhard Friedrich, & Geoffrey W. Bromiley, volume one, pp. 452 - 454
A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Literature, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] edition (BDAG), Frederick William Danker, pp. 525 - 526
Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Joseph H. Thayer, p. 336
The Complete Wordstudy Dictionary of the New Testament, Warren Baker, Warren Baker, based on the lexicons of Edward Robinson & John Parkhurst, pp. 841 - 842
The New Strong’s expanded exhaustive concordance of the Bible (red-letter edition), James Strong, LL.D., S.T.D., p. 133
Heb 2.14
επει ουν τα παιδια κεκοινωνηκεν αιματος και σαρκος και αυτος παραπλησιως μετεσχεν των αυτων ινα δια του θανατου καταργηση τον το κρατος εχοντα του θανατου τουτ εστιν τον διαβολον
epei oun ta paidia kekoinōnēken haimatos kai sarkos kai autos paraplēsiōs meteschen tōn autōn hina dia tou thanatou katargēsē ton to kratos echonta tou thanatou tout' estin ton diabolon
Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, in like manner He Himself also shared the same things, that through death He might render entirely idle the one having the power of death, that is, the devil;
καταργηση = ‘katargēsē’
‘katargēsē’ definition:
Strong’s #G2673.Aorist tense verb, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] person singular. The Devil is to be reduced to inactivity through the death of Christ (Heb 2.14). The Epistle to the Hebrews fills out this declaration by stating that through the death of Christ even the one who has power over death, the devil, is condemned to inactivity or ineffectiveness in relation to the Christian (Heb 2.14).To cause something to come to an end or no longer in existence, abolish, wipe out, set aside.To render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative. To cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency. To deprive of force, influence, power. To cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish. To cease, to pass away, be done away. To be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one.To terminate all intercourse with one. to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively: - abolish, cease, cumber, deliver, destroy, do away, become (make) of no (none, without) effect, fail, loose, bring (come) to nought, put away (down), vanish away, make void. To cause something to be unproductive, use up, exhaust, waste.To cause something to lose its power or effectiveness, invalidate, make powerless.From #G2596 & #G691.
Strong’s #G2596.Down from.
Strong’s #G691.To be idle.
References:
Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT), Gerhard Kittel, Gerhard Friedrich, & Geoffrey W. Bromiley, volume one, pp. 452 - 454
A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Literature, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] edition (BDAG), Frederick William Danker, pp. 525 - 526
Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Joseph H. Thayer, p. 336
The Complete Wordstudy Dictionary of the New Testament, Warren Baker, Warren Baker, based on the lexicons of Edward Robinson & John Parkhurst, pp. 841 - 842
The New Strong’s expanded exhaustive concordance of the Bible (red-letter edition), James Strong, LL.D., S.T.D., p. 133