Dreams and the end times (I'm about to look supid(er))

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We Lutherans don't believe in rapture and millenialism the way other protestants seem to understand. When we die, we go sit with Jesus, watching you all dukeing it out down below and listening to Pat Robertson or Pat Robertson XIV, until the Second Coming, and then we march with Him.

Just saying...
 
As fr what I said about heretics. I've run into people on here who say that when you sin you don't need to change. Thaat you just use gods grace as a cop out to sin again. Additionally, I'd say her dream is correct in the sense that time is running out and it is. But notice how it isnt far fro the truth. The TRUTHis that time is continuosly running out. aND HAS BEEN SINCE THE DEATH OF CHRIST. Is she a prophetss? No. But she is corrrect that time iis running out but wedon't know how long or short that is
 
We Lutherans don't believe in rapture and millenialism the way other protestants seem to understand. When we die, we go sit with Jesus, watching you all dukeing it out down below and listening to Pat Robertson or Pat Robertson XIV, until the Second Coming, and then we march with Him.

Just saying...

Also Im going to start another thread but I feel the biggest problem with christianity is the denominations. Imagine a christianity without theem.
 
You claim ALL IS KNOW.

It is not.

Deal with it.


Seriously, what else needs to be known? The Bible tells us all history - from the beginning to the end. What knowledge needs to be added?
 
I would like everyone to consider this- The world sees us Christians as hypocrites liars and judgmental not practicing what we preach, Christians teach about love and love is the very core of what a Christian is supposed to be but look at this thread can we honestly say we practice what we preach? Can we honestly say to ourselves that the world has the wrong idea about us?

If something as simple as a disagreement on a subject is enough to create war among ourselves then that really speaks volume doesn't it? Debating is fine and good if done in the right way and with th3e right heart it can help us learn and grow in faith it can open our minds to different views and can reveal truth however when ppl start accusing each other of stuff and begin to speak rudely to each other then the enemy is winning.

If we who claim to be love cannot debate in a mature and loving manner than we needn't be debating at all
 
So here's a hypothetical situation:

Jake has just been saved by grace. One night Jake is bored and picks up his Bible but he is soon bored with that as well. He turns on the computer and starts surfing the internet. He stumbles on to some porn sites that he had frequented as an unbeliever. Thinking to himself no, no I am saved. Saved people don't do this. He hovers his mouse over the x. But then he figures one tiney peek won't hurt and he is really bored and could use some mental stimulation so he takes one peek and that turns into an all nighter of gazing lustfully at a computer screen wrapped in steamy sex fantasies. The next morning Jake feels horrible for what he had done so he repents and tells God how sorry he is and that he will never do it again and that he will put blocks on his computer. After repenting he feels much better because he has been saved by grace.

The next night rolls around and as he is preparing to install the blocks on his computer he decides one last peek for old times sake. So he looks and he is robbed of another nights sleep.

The next day he repents again and feels better due to grace.

Today is a Saturday so he decides to have some fun with some old friends so he decides to go out and have a few beers. What's the harm if he drinks responsibly right? After all if he messes up the grace of Jesus Christ would cover him. So he heads for the bar and when he arrives his friends are there with beers in their hands. They greet him warmly and Jake soon finds himself going way beyond a few beers. The next thing he knows he is bent over the toilet puking his guts out and finds himself praying to God, asking for forgiveness and finding odd comfort in the grace of Jesus Christ.

The next day he goes to church with a pounding headache and does his best to sit through the upbeat worship music. He is grateful when the singing is done and the pastor comes up to speak. As the pastor is speaking he recalls the events of the past week and he begins to feel some conviction but the pastor says, "The Bible has countless verses that talk of the great grace of Jesus Christ. In order to recieve salvation we must recieve this wonderful gift." I want that. Please God let me have it. I will recieve it! Jake thinks.

The pastor goes on to say, "If you messed up this week take a moment and say this prayer with me, father, I am so sorry I sinned against you. I freely and wholey accept your free gift of forgiveness. Amen."

Jake repeats the verse silently in his heart and goes home feeling renewed...

That night he went back to the computer screen to look at porn secure in the grace of Jesus Christ.

Sounds like he has a lot of growing in Christ to do. He is being convicted by the HS so yes I would say he is saved. We all make mistakes. It is when we don't feel any conviction for those sins is when we should be worried.
 
That is correct.

You do not know those things are scriptural.

I swear, am I in the Twilight Zone or something?

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Then they certainly didn't need any interpretations from Popeye.

We already know the time is short - because the Bible already says that. Which is my whole point. Nothing else needs to be added to the scriptures. No new "revelations" are required.
I don't think we know time is short we don't seem to live like we believe this. Also even if popeye gave his own interpretation and if he was wrong that happens we all screw up every now and then.
 
I would like everyone to consider this- The world sees us Christians as hypocrites liars and judgmental not practicing what we preach, Christians teach about love and love is the very core of what a Christian is supposed to be but look at this thread can we honestly say we practice what we preach? Can we honestly say to ourselves that the world has the wrong idea about us?

If something as simple as a disagreement on a subject is enough to create war among ourselves then that really speaks volume doesn't it? Debating is fine and good if done in the right way and with th3e right heart it can help us learn and grow in faith it can open our minds to different views and can reveal truth however when ppl start accusing each other of stuff and begin to speak rudely to each other then the enemy is winning.

If we who claim to be love cannot debate in a mature and loving manner than we needn't be debating at all

I agree with you. I will throw in a but in here as well. As Christians it is our responsibility to lead someone from non biblical ways correct? And if that person doesn't listen then we bring more Christians into the problem correct? And if that doesn't work then there can be a decision to remove that person from the Church.

I'm not saying that is happening here but as Christians we are obligated to help someone along to the best of our knowledge and hopefully we all get it right. This doesn't make someone a heretic or not loving. What is not loving is telling people they don't know God, they don't read the Word, when in fact that person doesn't know this at all. These type of statements are not out of love but out of pride and hate.

If I have said anything on here that seemed not out of love I apologize. JFSurvivor has had a ton of questions lately and they all seem to be leading down a road that is contrary to the Bible. I just pray that she is seeking Gods Guidance and not mans when it comes to her faith and walk with Him.
 
Seriously, what else needs to be known? The Bible tells us all history - from the beginning to the end. What knowledge needs to be added?

To you nothing.

You are full

To the hungry ,they are not satisfied.

A man dedicted his life to studying the book. Of galations.
After 30+ years he said " I feel as if I am standing on the edge of the ocean looking into the vastness of God's word."

I mean,to think all of God,every facet of his being is contained in a book,and nothing will be discovered,is a LIMITED VIEW OF A LIMITED GOD.

He is in nobody's box.
 
Jake has it right.

"If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong (sin boldly), but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign."

Letter 99, Paragraph 13. Erika Bullmann Flores, Tr. from: Dr. Martin Luther's Saemmtliche Schriften

That's the father of Protestantism right there. Recognize.
 
I agree with you. I will throw in a but in here as well. As Christians it is our responsibility to lead someone from non biblical ways correct? And if that person doesn't listen then we bring more Christians into the problem correct? And if that doesn't work then there can be a decision to remove that person from the Church.

I'm not saying that is happening here but as Christians we are obligated to help someone along to the best of our knowledge and hopefully we all get it right. This doesn't make someone a heretic or not loving. What is not loving is telling people they don't know God, they don't read the Word, when in fact that person doesn't know this at all. These type of statements are not out of love but out of pride and hate.

If I have said anything on here that seemed not out of love I apologize. JFSurvivor has had a ton of questions lately and they all seem to be leading down a road that is contrary to the Bible. I just pray that she is seeking Gods Guidance and not mans when it comes to her faith and walk with Him.
I agree that giving biblical correction is vital however it's how it is done that matters. as you can see Jf came to us because she didn't understand what she had seen as many ppl do however look how quickly it became a war zone and how people didn't respond to each other in love and patience.
 
To you nothing.

You are full

To the hungry ,they are not satisfied.

A man dedicted his life to studying the book. Of galations.
After 30+ years he said " I feel as if I am standing on the edge of the ocean looking into the vastness of God's word."

I mean,to think all of God,every facet of his being is contained in a book,and nothing will be discovered,is a LIMITED VIEW OF A LIMITED GOD.

He is in nobody's box.


Wow. You missed my point entirely.
 
Sounds like he has a lot of growing in Christ to do. He is being convicted by the HS so yes I would say he is saved. We all make mistakes. It is when we don't feel any conviction for those sins is when we should be worried.

Ok so here's another situation:

Ethan has just been saved by grace. One night Ethan is bored and picks up his Bible but he is soon bored with that as well. He turns on the computer and starts surfing the internet. He stumbles on to some porn sites that he had frequented as an unbeliever. Thinking to himself no, no I am saved. Saved people don't do this. He hovers his mouse over the x. But then he figures one tiney peek won't hurt and he is really bored and could use some mental stimulation so he takes one peek and that turns into an all nighter of gazing lustfully at a computer screen wrapped in steamy sex fantasies. The next morning Ethan feels horrible for what he had done so he repents and tells God how sorry he is and that he will never do it again and that he will put blocks on his computer. After repenting he feels much better because he has been saved by grace.

The next night rolls around and as he is preparing to install the blocks on his computer he decides one last peek for old times sake. So he hovers his mouse over the icon to open the porn website but he stops. Something doesn't feel right about this. "No," he says out loud.

Please God help me! I can't do this by myself! Please! I can't do this! Please! He flings himself back from the computer, grabs his keys and cell phone and runs out of the house. He calls his friend Joe and asks if he could spend the night. Joe agrees. That night he explains to Joe the whole situation. Joe, a Christian, is understanding and helps Ethan put up the blocks on his computer the next day. He even offers to do a weekly Bible study with him.

The next day is a saturday and Ethan usually goes drinking with his buddies. But he knows that there wil be tempation there and that he is not strong in his faith yet so he figures he should probably avoid it all together. He decides to find a small house church and get plugged in with them.

The next day is a sunday. Ethan goes to the grocery store and happens to pass the magazine asle where there are women on the covers wearing next to nothing. His eyes gaze at their curves but then he realizes what he is doing and immediatly begins praying for help. He forces himself to leave the magazine asle and vows to avoid it at all costs next time. he repents to God for the lustful thoughts that entered his mind and rested happily in the Grace of Jesus Christ.
 
Grace of Jesus Christ is there for Ethan anyway. Jesus' divine act of sacrifice is that perfect. Saying otherwise is a problem.