The "Bushido8000 v.s Utah v.s GodIsSalvation" Thread

[sydlit]

You told them if they hate America, then they should leave. That's pretty much telling them to leave our country cuz you don't want USA haters here. Like I said, they can live wherever they want to. I don't hate America, but I DO disapprove of alot of stuff the bad old USA does. BTW, America started going to hell DECADES ago. More and more every day, this country loses more of it's freedom. Some of y'all just wanna remain blind to that fact.. jmo

You know how to re-post someone else's post, and you know how to read your own meaning into it, but you just don't seem to understand. I will repeat it and pray that even a liberal can understand.

Yes ... I ... told ... them ... that ... if ... they ... hate ... America
... they ... should ... leave.
That ... is ... not ... 'pretty... much ... telling ... them
... to ... leave ... our ... country'... ,
nor ... is ... it ... saying ... I ... don't ... want ...
'USA ... haters' ... to ... be ... here.
(That is your own spin on it,
A typical immature liberal trick)

No ma'am, what it is saying is.....
If you hate America ... IF YOU HATE America...
(The word 'YOU' is in general)
IF ... YOU ... HATE ... AMERICA, ....... LEAVE!

They are free to stay or go,
AND, as I stated in the post PRIOR TO YOURS,
(did you re-post it without reading it?)
I ... don't ... care ... where ... they ... live,
and ... they ... have ... a ... right ... to ... be ...here ...
AND ... they ... have ... a ... right ... to ... leave.

There, slow, and plain enough, even, for a liberal. OKAY?

Now, .....You KNOW what I'm saying.
This is not rocket science.
My words and intent were plain
the first time, and on the repost,
and have now been fully explained,
so there's no further need to spin it.
Please don't force me to think that an
otherwise seemingly intelligent woman
has suddenly become stupid,
or deliberately ignorant.
May God bless you, for real.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

^THIS! And why I became an Anarchist. Even though I'm an Anarcho-Capitalist I would EASILY take Anarcho-Communism over a Statist society.



To this, I would say we have a different definition on what a Government is. A society's structure is not the same as its government. A government is a ruling body to enforce a society's structure over a population. The main society structures that fall under Anarchy are usually Communism or Capitalism, there can never be democracy as no rules affecting a human being who isn't affecting another human being can be given. This means that everybody has the capability to own a gun so crimes would actually be much harder to commit (for example, imagine trying to rob a police station, now expand that type of force to the rest of the world). There might be some chaos at first, but groups of people tend to have a natural way of setting up society structures. There's also the idea of Agorism if one is REALLY worried about crime in an anarchist society

I developed most of my Anarchist ideals while living in Alaska. In Alaska, everyone REALLY DOES own a gun and as much as America would like to claim Alaska under its governing body, there's 0 enforcement. police were rarely ever seen my town (you have 5 cops patrolling a 200-500 mile stretch). If 911 was called for any kind of law enforcement problem, nobody was coming. Alaskans have a pretty delicate way of handling their own problems without law enforcement .





While I would say that modeling a frame of government based on what can be found in the Bible would initially be a good idea, history seems to prove otherwise to me.

When you have all of your trust in Government (Marxists, take note), the government will always end up corrupt (if it survives that long) but still powerful enough to enforce their corrupt ways (like Germany was and America currently is). A monarchy becomes even more dangerous because you only have one man to corrupt. Being of Scottish descent, I'm ESPECIALLY not fond of earthly kings lol.

Anarchy would have to be a common ideal for it to work, which it is not and probably never will be unfortunately as groups of people (even in the Bible) seem to feel a want to be ruled and dominated by other people. Example: Somalia

Lastly, keep in mind that I'm not saying an Anarchist society would be sunshine and rainbows out the gate. A free society isn't the same thing as a civilized society.

On the definition of government, we have basically the same definition, that it is a distinct entity from the society, but the difference I suppose would be that I'd see the formation of a government, even if its primitive and rudimentary as coming from the society and as being inevitable. It's why anarchy cannot really exist in my mind, or if it can exist it's very brief, as a period of lawlessness in the transition between governments. The way I see it once a society starts making norms and customs, which it will inevitably do, that's the foundation for a government.

Now as for economic structures, this really got my interest so looking to focus on that moreso. I would question whether communism and capitalism even exist. Communism isn't purely about economics, but if we try to siphon out all the ideological, political, and religious parts of it and make it purely economic, then it still doesn't work. Every time a country tries economic communist policy it is an economic disaster on a biblical scale. The reason is pretty simple, you're having the State or the workers make decisions about things they know little about. This will always lead inevitably to mismanagement at the least and outright corruption at the worst. I think though we all, you, me, and Desdichado, lol and probably even Mitspa and Sydlit, agree though that communism is worthless. So I'd like to riff a little more on capitalism instead.

Now capitalism is a bit different than communism. Communism was meant to be a whole different ideology for the entire society. Capitalism is more interesting because it was moreso specifically tailored to just the economic side of things. Granted it has influence on the rest of the society. Now capitalism on the face of it, like almost any ideology sounds great in theory. In practice though capitalism shows it's fallibility. The main problem of capitalism is the pure capitalist has to focus solely on capital and profits. That is pretty much all that matters. Capitalism makes anarchism impossible, because sooner or later you're going to get monopolies and oligopolies and these will form or hijack a government either directly or indirectly. The problem is only a very few will benefit and without any sort of government check they'll turn you into slaves straight up. Really America is a great example of this, particularly Industrialist era America. If you let capitalism run amok you're basically going to get serfdom. If you want to stop it you have to form a government, or expand a current one to keep it in check. Industrialist America, wage slavery, factory towns, poor conditions, rampant pollution, etc. is what capitalism brings.

Now I'm a pretty big proponent of liberal economics, perhaps that's why the conservatives think I'm liberal, though ironically if they were true conservatives they'd be proponents of liberal economics also, because liberal economics is a foundational doctrine of America. However I also like structure, and kingly-wise I can't let my people get victimized by the Shinra. There is a reason why we have government regulations, why we got rid of wage slavery, and why our ancestors left Upton Sinclair's Jungle. I don't hate the merchants though, like I said earlier, most merchants and businessmen are quite into the king ideology. You can learn quite a bit from them.

There is actually an all ready existent economic model tailored to the kingly ideology. It's called Mercantilism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercantilism

The benefit of mercantilism is it almost always guarantees maximum national economic prosperity and maximum economic freedom for the individual. The downside to it is it is the very engine of imperialism. I'm sure we'll get around to imperialism soon enough so just trying to focus on the economic side here. Mercantilism has many different subsets, but at the heart of it basically the idea is that the government while still allowing free enterprise and private ownership, basically controls the nationalistic aspect of the economy, especially in relation to these other countries. Basically it relies on maximizing growth for our own country, maintaining the flow of trade, and using the government to protect the national economy against foreigners. A good example of a mercantilist is Trump, a lot of his policy ideas like putting pressure on Mexico to pay for a wall to continue trading with us and raising tariffs on China are mercantilist ideas.

Will write more in a bit, just got excited on the economic models in relations to politics and governance ideology. I read your last post and liked your mention of the Bible in relations to the political ideologies, particularly Book of Judges, which indeed I have discussed with anarchists before and also as you prompt the Books of Samuels, Kings, and Chronicles. For indeed I believe these books show quite well the positives and negatives of all three ideologies, leftism, rightism, and kings.

 

[Mitspa]

I already said I would help raise money for anyone of these godless American haters that want to leave... Now that is a very Christian thing to do

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I already said I would help raise money for anyone of these godless American haters that want to leave... Now that is a very Christian thing to do

The Christian thing to do be to instead of trying to exile and persecute us to try to help us instead destroy godless America.

Ephesians 6:12

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

[Mitspa]

The Christian thing to do be to instead of trying to exile and persecute us to try to help us instead destroy godless America.

Ephesians 6:12

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

No the Christian thing to do is to help the wicked flee..when they want to flee. America will be a better place and these people will be happier when they leave. Im sure the Canadians or Mexicans will be glad to have them?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

No the Christian thing to do is to help the wicked flee..when they want to flee. America will be a better place and these people will be happier when they leave. Im sure the Canadians or Mexicans will be glad to have them?

Where you gonna have them flee to? The whole world is against us, yes, even Canada and Mexico. It is possible though to drive the wickedness out of America, but the problem is that wickedness is rooted in the US Constitution. Just compare the First Amendment to the First Commandment.

 

[Mitspa]

Where you gonna have them flee to? The whole world is against us, yes, even Canada and Mexico. It is possible though to drive the wickedness out of America, but the problem is that wickedness is rooted in the US Constitution. Just compare the First Amendment to the First Commandment.

No since they hate America they will have many options ...I mean the Mexicans and Canadians have laws that take in people who are being mistreated ...im sure?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

No since they hate America they will have many options ...I mean the Mexicans and Canadians have laws that take in people who are being mistreated ...im sure?

Lol if you have to ask then it doesn't seem like you're too sure.

Jeremiah 46:28

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the Lord: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

 

[blue_ladybug]

You know how to re-post someone else's post, and you know how to read your own meaning into it, but you just don't seem to understand. I will repeat it and pray that even a liberal can understand.

Yes ... I ... told ... them ... that ... if ... they ... hate ... America
... they ... should ... leave.
That ... is ... not ... 'pretty... much ... telling ... them
... to ... leave ... our ... country'... ,
nor ... is ... it ... saying ... I ... don't ... want ...
'USA ... haters' ... to ... be ... here.
(That is your own spin on it,
A typical immature liberal trick)

No ma'am, what it is saying is.....
If you hate America ... IF YOU HATE America...
(The word 'YOU' is in general)
IF ... YOU ... HATE ... AMERICA, ....... LEAVE!

They are free to stay or go,
AND, as I stated in the post PRIOR TO YOURS,
(did you re-post it without reading it?)
I ... don't ... care ... where ... they ... live,
and ... they ... have ... a ... right ... to ... be ...here ...
AND ... they ... have ... a ... right ... to ... leave.

There, slow, and plain enough, even, for a liberal. OKAY?

Now, .....You KNOW what I'm saying.
This is not rocket science.
My words and intent were plain
the first time, and on the repost,
and have now been fully explained,
so there's no further need to spin it.
Please don't force me to think that an
otherwise seemingly intelligent woman
has suddenly become stupid,
or deliberately ignorant.
May God bless you, for real.

lol.. I'm not a liberal. I'm just someone who calls it like I see it.. Mitspa and Utah can tell you that. Oh and using alot of ....... to make your point is not necessary..

 

[Utah]

Awaiting GIS and Utah to enter the arena. GIS were you serious about Monarchy or? You just don't see a lot of them around, even on the internet haha.

Anyway, setting bait for Utah. The fumes of genocide and propaganda should reach the other boards soon

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Bait? Lol. I visit disabled veterans on a weekly basis. I look forward to sharing your post with them, and afterward listening to their wisdom and advice, all the while praying that one day I will grow to be as gracious and honorable as they are in this life.

 

[Mitspa]

Lol if you have to ask then it doesn't seem like you're too sure.

Jeremiah 46:28

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the Lord: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

OH...Im sure ...that I would be glad to help them leave

 

[sydlit]

The Christian thing to do be to instead of trying to exile and persecute us to try to help us instead destroy godless America.

Ephesians 6:12

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Oh, come on, GiS, you're listed as 26 yrs old,
can you show it just a little bit and stop the whining
about being exiled and persecuted?
You don't have a clue what real persecution and warfare is,
if these debates on this site are what you consider it to be.

First of all, and get this right, I am not trying to belittle you,
or call you an unbeliever, and tho I can't speak for anyone else,
I sincerely doubt anyone else here is, either.
Not mitspa, or kayla, or magenta, or utah,
Or a whole bunch of others, either.

Just trying to get you to mature in the faith
a little bit...we have real brothers and sisters all
around the world being persecuted in horrific ways,
and I'm not talking about syrian refugees here now,
but ppl who are kicked out of there families,
made homeless, get beaten, raped, kidnapped,
and more, simply for believing in our Lord Jesus Christ,
and yet they take a stand for the faith, and what they want
most from us here in America, is for us to do the same,
and not allow liberal policies to destroy our freedoms,
weaken our nation, and cause us to become like them.
(Unfortunately that's what's been happening,
thanks in large part to liberal policies and
those that support them, slowly at first, but systematically,
and now rapidly, due largely to a leftist president (and his
supporters) who's been determined to
'fundamentally transform (read:dismantle) America).

I was just with one missionary who describes the
REAL spiritual wickedness taking place in his
field of operation, enough to make you sick.
And another recently who was describing to us
how at night, the men are in the fields, while women
children and a few missionaries hunker down
in underground (secret) churches, while blood-curdling
screams can be heard in the night skies.....
tortures, rapes, including kids, sometimes just for fun.
And many others who are not christian are into
voodoo and demonic powers, casting spells on
the missionaries and ppl who are there to help,
including our military and volunteer workers.
And all the believers ask from us, their American
brothers and sisters, is to stand strong and pray for them.

So can you understand why men like mitspa,
(and I apologize to keep mentioning his name,
I'm just saying for example.......
And so you all know, I regret so much not serving
in the military, shame on me, but I can't change the past),
but why they get so disgusted when they hear ppl
crying down with America and feigning persecution,
while sitting here in the comforts of freedom,
however fragile today, that others sacrificed for?

And as one who claims to be christian, you yourself
should know what a change of mind is,
And there's nary a genuine christian/conservative
who would mock you for it or say 'Told you so',
but would rather say Thank you, God bless you brother,
we welcome you and your gifts and service,
in whatever capacity that may be.

But if you really, sincerely hate America,
and are so unhappy to be here, then do yourself
and others a favor, grab your liberal bags, and leave.

No one is kicking you out, sending you into exile,
or forcing you to bow before a false God,
(though that day may be looming, thx to leftist liberals)
No, we pray for you, for the body of Christ,
and for America, and we hope you do the same,
as brothers in Christ, and Americans, should.
And with thanksgiving, and sincere (and often broken) hearts,
we once again ask our Father in heaven, in Jesus' name,
to hear our prayers, forgive our sins, unite our hearts,
strengthen our resolve, and God bless America. Amen.

 

[Utah]

The conservatives are like the rowdy preppy and jock kids that come to the party, think they own the place, mess up the house, punch holes in the walls, and then tell the owner to just leave.

You're showing your naive innocence, my young friend. Your statement exemplifies the Occupy Wall Street crowd, not the Tea Party. You'll come to learn this some day.

 

[Utah]

The conservative ideology is based on slavery to the Party, the State, and Doctrines of the Status Quo.

Please elaborate.

 

[Utah]

lol frat boys and hipsters, if only i were so cool.

I am that cool, and I proclaim that you are as well.

 

[Utah]

Reading the Bible, especially the Gospels, is why I gave up on conservatism.

Please elaborate.

 

[Mitspa]

As the conservatives overthrow the establishment bunch in the party..we are accused of being slaves to the party...lol As we defend our right to bear arms in the intention of the 2nd amendment to resist a oppressive state ..we are accused or being slaves to the state ..as we seek to throw all the bums out of power we are accused of being slaves to the status quo?
I think they better find some better slaves than conservatives

 

[Utah]

^THIS! And why I became an Anarchist.

I'm a rebel at heart, and acknowledge that some anarchists have proved essential in certain aspects of life. Describe your perfect world as an anarchist. You might be surprised at how much agreement this conservative has with you.

 

[Utah]

So by saying you loved Bush, then you are saying you loved a lying, deceiving, backstabbing, and corrupted politician ???

He said Bush, not obama.

 

[sydlit]

lol.. I'm not a liberal. I'm just someone who calls it like I see it.. Mitspa and Utah can tell you that. Oh and using alot of ....... to make your point is not necessary..

Lol...And bill clinton did not have sex with that woman,
...miss lewinsky.

The ...dots...were not to make my point.
I was speaking slowly, so even you liberals could understand. .
And unfortunately it WAS necessary,
since the first TWO times I wrote it, the statement
was misunderstood, and then misrepresented.

Btw, God's grace abounds, and I don't hate liberals.

Here's one from George Carlin...pretty funny --->

--->(a reporter at a news desk): Good evening, sports fans!
Biff Barf here, on the Biff Barf sports night spotlight.
Biffin' them up, and barfin' them right back atcha!
I CALL 'EM AS I SEE 'EM.....
..... AND IF I DON'T SEE 'EM ..... I MAKE 'EM UP!