The "Bushido8000 v.s Utah v.s GodIsSalvation" Thread

[kaylagrl]

We didn't know about any concentration camps until we were knee deep in the war already. That's like going to war with Australia for 4 years and finding out that they've been murdering gay people for the last 9 years....after we turned away gay Australian refugees...because thats what WE did to the Jews trying to flee from Nazi Germany at the beginning of the Holocaust.

Also, back to the point. A holocaust could only have happened with a Statist nation like the US and Germany and not an Anarchist society.

So your view on why America got involved is?? Cause what I recall from history is that Hitler started doing the same thing Putin is doing,claiming he was "freeing" German people while he was actually taking over land. Chamberland tried to appease him and believed it would work. It took Churchill to be a realist and bomb him back to the stone age. What did I miss there?

Can you tell me an anarchist society that has worked?

 

[Mitspa]

lizard people everywhere!

 

[Desdichado]

There is a lot of misapprehension of what conservatism is. Partially because conservatism itself is so ill-defined. Ill-defined to the point that conservatives themselves either cannot give a succinct definition or kick down the entire notion that they are conservatives and adopt new labels themselves.

The fun and maddening part about this thread is that it is ultimately a squabble within the Right, though GIS might want to check himself before calling conservatives "fascist slaves" and then proceeding to argue for a third way that breaks the tension between those who preserve and those who radicalize. That is, historically, a pretty common fascist tenant. One of the few things fascists have in common.

I do not know how my conservative compatriots on here read leftism into your speaking. Maybe that is because I prefer to let people speak for themselves and seldom call them out when it comes to their real beliefs.

Either way, if and when Bushido gets around to voting, he will vote for a minarchist solution. Albeit a radical minarchist solution. He probably has no interest in getting on or remaining on the public dole (I'm assuming). I'm not ready to boot him from this fine nation.

GIS's quixotic tendencies have led him to be a fervent John Kasich supporter in Ohio, which is the best we can expect to get out of Ohio. Certainly not worthy of exile.

Oh! By the way, exile is unconstitutional. Yeah, that's a pickle if you are a conservative who wants to uphold the original Law of the Land.

What am I trying to say? I suppose it is that I would love to argue with these gents, but they are ultimately in the same large ideological tent we are in. They presumably do not believe that gender-reassignment is a moral good and find Marxism to be repugnant.

Yes, that has become my loose standard for conservative these days. I spend my time trolling/arguing with the real freaks.

 

[Desdichado]

Oh, and knocking them out of public office. I do that too. In fact, it occupies most of my precious time.

 

[sydlit]

Funny how someone can protest and deny being a liberal,
then spend so much time bashing conservatives.
Funny also how an otherwise level-headed conservative would then defend that basher and actually try to place him in a conservative group.

He doesn't want to be a conservative,
why try to broaden the definition just to include him?
Despite his protests, his posts reveal his position...
he's a liberal, and like liberals do,
will deny it incessantly to try to posit an air of superiority,
pretending to not like either side while
sitting arrogantly in judgement over both.

Sorry, but anyone who comes on a christian site,
proceeds to bash conservatives,
speaks disparagingly about the military,
refers to a founding document as 'YOUR constitution',
and (even though we could agree that
America's got her share of problems),
never misses an opportunity to run her down,
and mock patriotic Americans,
is a stinkin' liberal, ...
why try to pretend otherwise?

And btw, no one is 'kicking' anyone out, no one is being 'exiled'.
We're simply trying to help liberals on their path to liberal utopia.

If you don't like it here, if you hate America...LEAVE!
So simple even a liberal should get it.
If I'm not mistaken, mitspa even offered to pay for one's exit.
That doesn't sound like the boot, but a pretty generous offer,

And an intelligent solution for all involved...
Liberal poster doesn't like it here, but doesn't have
the means, or the common sense, to leave.
Conservative poster offers a way out.
Liberal finds a new (better?) place to be, and is happy.
Conservative has done a good deed, is free of hater, and is happy.
Win-Win.

Generosity and common sense...
hmmm...2 more Christian/conservative traits.

Check public records for charitable giving,
liberals and conservatives are like night and day.
But that should be obvious...like common sense.

God bless you, sincerely...I wish no I'll will
on anyone here, and hope the Lord opens
hearts and minds to unite in the Truth in Him,
just as he prayed for us, (John17), us who believe.

 

[Mitspa]

Funny how someone can protest and deny being a liberal,
then spend so much time bashing conservatives.
Funny also how an otherwise level-headed conservative would then defend that basher and actually try to place him in a conservative group.

He doesn't want to be a conservative,
why try to broaden the definition just to include him?
Despite his protests, his posts reveal his position...
he's a liberal, and like liberals do,
will deny it incessantly to try to posit an air of superiority,
pretending to not like either side while
sitting arrogantly in judgement over both.

Sorry, but anyone who comes on a christian site,
proceeds to bash conservatives,
speaks disparagingly about the military,
refers to a founding document as 'YOUR constitution',
and (even though we could agree that
America's got her share of problems),
never misses an opportunity to run her down,
and mock patriotic Americans,
is a stinkin' liberal, ...
why try to pretend otherwise?

And btw, no one is 'kicking' anyone out, no one is being 'exiled'.
We're simply trying to help liberals on their path to liberal utopia.

If you don't like it here, if you hate America...LEAVE!
So simple even a liberal should get it.
If I'm not mistaken, mitspa even offered to pay for one's exit.
That doesn't sound like the boot, but a pretty generous offer,

And an intelligent solution for all involved...
Liberal poster doesn't like it here, but doesn't have
the means, or the common sense, to leave.
Conservative poster offers a way out.
Liberal finds a new (better?) place to be, and is happy.
Conservative has done a good deed, is free of hater, and is happy.
Win-Win.

Generosity and common sense...
hmmm...2 more Christian/conservative traits.

Check public records for charitable giving,
liberals and conservatives are like night and day.
But that should be obvious...like common sense.

God bless you, sincerely...I wish no I'll will
on anyone here, and hope the Lord opens
hearts and minds to unite in the Truth in Him,
just as he prayed for us, (John17), us who believe.

lol...just for info on the funding deal... we may have to do the GrayHound to Mexico thing for a while..but im sure when folks see liberals leaving the country we can improve our fundraising

 

[sydlit]

lol...just for info on the funding deal... we may have to do the GrayHound to Mexico thing for a while..but im sure when folks see liberals leaving the country we can improve our fundraising

I'm in!
(And as a side...Ppl may say what they will about the guy,
but one thing can't be denied about him.....
TRUMP'S GOT MONEY! Lol)

 

[Bushido8000]

So your view on why America got involved is?? Cause what I recall from history is that Hitler started doing the same thing Putin is doing,claiming he was "freeing" German people while he was actually taking over land. Chamberland tried to appease him and believed it would work. It took Churchill to be a realist and bomb him back to the stone age. What did I miss there?

Can you tell me an anarchist society that has worked?

1. Global dominance. This war would shape which group of forces would control the planet for AT LEAST the next century. Much like what Obama does today, Roosevelt was saying one thing while the public knew he had an alternative agenda. He claimed to want to be neutral in the war but made small steps to ensure we would become a part of it, something that was making the public pretty angry because the US population wanted to stay out of it. Thankfully for Roosevelt, He would find out that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor (or one like it) 3 days before the attack and purposely did nothing to prevent it. He didn't even put our troops on high alert. It would be a surefire way to get us in on the game.

EDIT: Yikes, before Mitspa labels me a youtube conspiracy theorist, Pearl Harbour memo shows US warned of Japanese attack - Telegraph

2. I'm not saying us helping out a ton of Jews was a bad thing. It was a great thing. What I'm saying is that Jews had nothing to do with our conflict in WWII. It was purely politics and Jews were an afterthought. We refused to let the Jewish refugees in at the start of everything because we weren't so fond of the group either.

As for an Anarchist society, there has never been one (well kind of, as the early Israelites could be semi-counted as an Anarchist society since their only rules/laws were given by God but no earthly kings. They were pretty much free to do whatever they wanted as long as it didn't violate Objective Good. A Monarchy could also be argued for their form of government (GIS represent).

As I said before, Anarchism would have to become a commonly accepted idea for it to work, much like the early stages of democracy and the now early stages of Marxism (yep, if the U.S. survives that long, we are already heading rapidly towards a Marxist government thanks to every wonderful president since Bill Clinton.)

You can't just say everyone should be able to own a gun and everyone should be free to camp on public land and everyone should be able to choose whether or not they want to possess drugs without raising our kids with the idea that everyone should own a gun and everyone should be free to camp on public land and everyone should be able to choose whether or not they want to possess drugs. It takes generations to develop an ideal.

 

[Bushido8000]

Funny how someone can protest and deny being a liberal,
then spend so much time bashing conservatives.
Funny also how an otherwise level-headed conservative would then defend that basher and actually try to place him in a conservative group.

He doesn't want to be a conservative,
why try to broaden the definition just to include him?
Despite his protests, his posts reveal his position...
he's a liberal, and like liberals do,
will deny it incessantly to try to posit an air of superiority,
pretending to not like either side while
sitting arrogantly in judgement over both.

Sorry, but anyone who comes on a christian site,
proceeds to bash conservatives,
speaks disparagingly about the military,
refers to a founding document as 'YOUR constitution',
and (even though we could agree that
America's got her share of problems),
never misses an opportunity to run her down,
and mock patriotic Americans,
is a stinkin' liberal, ...
why try to pretend otherwise?

And btw, no one is 'kicking' anyone out, no one is being 'exiled'.
We're simply trying to help liberals on their path to liberal utopia.

If you don't like it here, if you hate America...LEAVE!
So simple even a liberal should get it.
If I'm not mistaken, mitspa even offered to pay for one's exit.
That doesn't sound like the boot, but a pretty generous offer,

And an intelligent solution for all involved...
Liberal poster doesn't like it here, but doesn't have
the means, or the common sense, to leave.
Conservative poster offers a way out.
Liberal finds a new (better?) place to be, and is happy.
Conservative has done a good deed, is free of hater, and is happy.
Win-Win.

Generosity and common sense...
hmmm...2 more Christian/conservative traits.

Check public records for charitable giving,
liberals and conservatives are like night and day.
But that should be obvious...like common sense.

God bless you, sincerely...I wish no I'll will
on anyone here, and hope the Lord opens
hearts and minds to unite in the Truth in Him,
just as he prayed for us, (John17), us who believe.

Yes, liberalism or conservatism, there can be only one

Anarchists don't leave because we don't recognize the right for a country to exist or set up borders in the first place.

While I would definatitely agree that Anarchists are definately not conservatives, they most certainly aren't liberals. Infact, MOST anarcho-capitalists were former hardcore conservatives. I know I sure was. I loved George Bush and supported the Iraq war. You name it. I loved the flag and everything the media told me it represented. It wasn't until I started researching how our economy and political processes REALLY work that I became disgusted. Obama (and everything you hate about him) PERFECTLY represents America.

 

[Mitspa]

1. Global dominance. This war would shape which group of forces would control the planet for AT LEAST the next century. Much like what Obama does today, Roosevelt was saying one thing while the public knew he had an alternative agenda. He claimed to want to be neutral in the war but made small steps to ensure we would become a part of it, something that was making the public pretty angry because the US population wanted to stay out of it. Thankfully for Roosevelt, He would find out that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor (or one like it) 3 days before the attack and purposely did nothing to prevent it. He didn't even put our troops on high alert. It would be a surefire way to get us in on the game.

EDIT: Yikes, before Mitspa labels me a youtube conspiracy theorist, Pearl Harbour memo shows US warned of Japanese attack - Telegraph

2. I'm not saying us helping out a ton of Jews was a bad thing. It was a great thing. What I'm saying is that Jews had nothing to do with our conflict in WWII. It was purely politics and Jews were an afterthought. We refused to let the Jewish refugees in at the start of everything because we weren't so fond of the group either.

As for an Anarchist society, there has never been one (well kind of, as the early Israelites could be semi-counted as an Anarchist society since their only rules/laws were given by God but no earthly kings. They were pretty much free to do whatever they wanted as long as it didn't violate Objective Good. A Monarchy could also be argued for their form of government (GIS represent).

As I said before, Anarchism would have to become a commonly accepted idea for it to work, much like the early stages of democracy and the now early stages of Marxism (yep, if the U.S. survives that long, we are already heading rapidly towards a Marxist government thanks to every wonderful president since Bill Clinton.)

You can't just say everyone should be able to own a gun and everyone should be free to camp on public land and everyone should be able to choose whether or not they want to possess drugs without raising our kids with the idea that everyone should own a gun and everyone should be free to camp on public land and everyone should be able to choose whether or not they want to possess drugs. It takes generations to develop an ideal.

Yep this is that conspiracy nonsense .... Muslims don't kill people because that's what their religion teaches and what they have always done..but because of the CIA ... The USA really didn't have to fight WW2 ...CIA I guess made the Japs bomb us...right? Such nonsense

 

[Mitspa]

Yes, liberalism or conservatism, there can be only one

Anarchists don't leave because we don't recognize the right for a country to exist or set up borders in the first place.

While I would definatitely agree that Anarchists are definately not conservatives, they most certainly aren't liberals. Infact, MOST anarcho-capitalists were former hardcore conservatives. I know I sure was. I loved George Bush and supported the Iraq war. You name it. I loved the flag and everything the media told me it represented. It wasn't until I started researching how our economy and political processes REALLY work that I became disgusted. Obama (and everything you hate about him) PERFECTLY represents America.

When do you want us to get your bus ticket to Mexico?

 

[Oncefallen]

Yep this is that conspiracy nonsense .... Muslims don't kill people because that's what their religion teaches and what they have always done..but because of the CIA ... The USA really didn't have to fight WW2 ...CIA I guess made the Japs bomb us...right? Such nonsense

Obviously someone didn't actually read the article prior to commenting.....

But Mr Shirley said: "Based on all my research, I believe that neither Roosevelt nor anybody in his government, the Navy or the War Department knew that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbour. There was no conspiracy.

"This memo is further evidence that they believed the Japanese were contemplating a military action of some sort, but they were kind of in denial because they didn't think anybody would be as audacious to move an army thousands of miles across the Pacific, stop to refuel, then move on to Hawaii to make a strike like this."

As with the September 11 terrorist attacks in 2001, US leadership was guilty of a "failure of imagination" in its inability to translate warning signs into a specific prediction of the horror that lay ahead, he said.

 

[Mitspa]

Obviously someone didn't actually read the article prior to commenting.....

Just going off prior conversations ...

 

[sydlit]

Yes, liberalism or conservatism, there can be only one

Anarchists don't leave because we don't recognize the right for a country to exist or set up borders in the first place.

While I would definatitely agree that Anarchists are definately not conservatives, they most certainly aren't liberals. Infact, MOST anarcho-capitalists were former hardcore conservatives. I know I sure was. I loved George Bush and supported the Iraq war. You name it. I loved the flag and everything the media told me it represented. It wasn't until I started researching how our economy and political processes REALLY work that I became disgusted. Obama (and everything you hate about him) PERFECTLY represents America.

So ... you speak for all anarchists?
Or just the ones that disagree with you?

And so loving President Bush and the Iraq war
makes one a 'hardcore conservative'?
Maybe speaking/defining for yourself,
but obviously not all.

And if, in your last sentence, the word YOU is referring
to conservatives in general, that's again,
a pretty broad brush to paint a definitive narrow statement,
but if it's just a generalization, okay for now, BUT,
If the YOU is referring to ME PERSONALLY,
you don't know me well enough to state what I
may or may not 'hate' about anyone,
so you really should retract that statement.

You say you loved (past tense) the flag,
and went by 'everything the media told you'...,
Then did 'research' and formed a new
set of values, opinions, and beliefs.
How nice for you, but could it be,
you've merely changed your opinions
from being based on what, perhaps, one set of
mental midgets tells you to believe, to another?

So now you claim that you're not a conservative,
but you're not a liberal, you're 'disgusted'
with how OUR (interesting use of that word),
how Our economy and political processes REALLY work,
you claim that a radical left-wing liberal president
'PERFECTLY' represents America, (Heh...Hunh?)
You're a self-proclaimed anarchist
who likes to post on christian chat sites,
and you no longer love the flag.

Oh, and Jesus still loves you...
...and you're STILL free to leave.

 

[blue_ladybug]

We get that you hate America, SO LEAVE.

We get it...you hate America...so LEAVE!

Who are you to tell them to leave America? Whether or not they hate America, they have every right to live here. And they will live where THEY wanna live, whether YOU like it or not.. Of course if people were smart, they'd leave America anyway, cuz this country is headed to heck in a handbasket.. jmo

 

[KennethC]

Who are you to tell them to leave America? Whether or not they hate America, they have every right to live here. And they will live where THEY wanna live, whether YOU like it or not.. Of course if people were smart, they'd leave America anyway, cuz this country is headed to heck in a handbasket.. jmo

BRAVO !!!

Christians showing hatred toward others, no wonder we are on the Domestic Terroist watch list.

 

[KennethC]

Yes, liberalism or conservatism, there can be only one

Anarchists don't leave because we don't recognize the right for a country to exist or set up borders in the first place.

While I would definatitely agree that Anarchists are definately not conservatives, they most certainly aren't liberals. Infact, MOST anarcho-capitalists were former hardcore conservatives. I know I sure was. I loved George Bush and supported the Iraq war. You name it. I loved the flag and everything the media told me it represented. It wasn't until I started researching how our economy and political processes REALLY work that I became disgusted. Obama (and everything you hate about him) PERFECTLY represents America.

So by saying you loved Bush, then you are saying you loved a lying, deceiving, backstabbing, and corrupted politician ???

Because he is guilty of all those, and I know a few soldiers who asked for his and McCain's arrest for treason.

 

[sydlit]

Who are you to tell them to leave America? Whether or not they hate America, they have every right to live here. And they will live where THEY wanna live, whether YOU like it or not.. Of course if people were smart, they'd leave America anyway, cuz this country is headed to heck in a handbasket.. jmo

You can climb back down from your high-tower,
Miss Nasty, I'm not TELLING anyone to leave,
I'm reminding them they're FREE to leave. .
And I never said anything about whether or not I like where they live,
Miss Insinuator. I really couldn't care less where they live,
unless they're trying to destroy America by being here,
that would be a problem for us all, then, wouldn't it?

If you hate America, you're free to leave America,
Isn't that at least one wonderful freedom we have here?
They have a right to be here, and a right to leave.
That would be a common sense solution
to their unhappiness. Yours too, Miss Smart,
since you believe it's going down in a basket
and leaving would be the smart thing to do, right?
Hence the statement...
'We get it, you hate America, so leave'.
Here's your hat, there's the door, what's your hurry...

 

[blue_ladybug]

We get that you hate America, SO LEAVE.

You can climb back down from your high-tower,
Miss Nasty, I'm not TELLING anyone to leave,
I'm reminding them they're FREE to leave. .
And I never said anything about whether or not I like where they live,
Miss Insinuator. I really couldn't care less where they live,
unless they're trying to destroy America by being here,
that would be a problem for us all, then, wouldn't it?

If you hate America, you're free to leave America,
Isn't that at least one wonderful freedom we have here?
They have a right to be here, and a right to leave.
That would be a common sense solution
to their unhappiness. Yours too, Miss Smart,
since you believe it's going down in a basket
and leaving would be the smart thing to do, right?
Hence the statement...
'We get it, you hate America, so leave'.
Here's your hat, there's the door, what's your hurry...

You told them if they hate America, then they should leave. That's pretty much telling them to leave our country cuz you don't want USA haters here. Like I said, they can live wherever they want to. I don't hate America, but I DO disapprove of alot of stuff the bad old USA does. BTW, America started going to hell DECADES ago. More and more every day, this country loses more of it's freedom. Some of y'all just wanna remain blind to that fact.. jmo

 

[blue_ladybug]

Who are you to tell them to leave America? Whether or not they hate America, they have every right to live here. And they will live where THEY wanna live, whether YOU like it or not.. Of course if people were smart, they'd leave America anyway, cuz this country is headed to heck in a handbasket.. jmo

Thank you to the person who repped me on this post. I appreciate it.