Are there commandments under grace?
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You're the only one going on about doing anything without the grace provided by Christ. I know you're trying to project that into me but I never said that. Doing it without grace is on you.
In truth, you can do your best to keep the commandments still be under grace. Do you really think trying to keep the commandments somehow cancels grace. It'/really not something to spaz out over. Just do the best you can, try to improve and remember you're forgiven.
In truth, you can do your best to keep the commandments still be under grace. Do you really think trying to keep the commandments somehow cancels grace. It'/really not something to spaz out over. Just do the best you can, try to improve and remember you're forgiven.
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And that conflicts somehow with trying to follow the commandments as best we can....really???
With a mouthy kid finally deciding to try showing more respect to his parents?
With a guy deciding to resist the temptation to lie to a cop about a traffic stop?
With an adulterous husband deciding try keeping his eys eys and hands off other women?
These are all real world examples of following the ten commandments and you guys are really going to argue about trying to put them into real world practice and trying get better about it each day?
With a mouthy kid finally deciding to try showing more respect to his parents?
With a guy deciding to resist the temptation to lie to a cop about a traffic stop?
With an adulterous husband deciding try keeping his eys eys and hands off other women?
These are all real world examples of following the ten commandments and you guys are really going to argue about trying to put them into real world practice and trying get better about it each day?
We are not in line when we do sinful things, we are forgiven however, for being out of line.
And yes, people with fruits of the spirit still sin.
And they are to at least try to do sinful things less often.
Don't worry....you'll be okay if you try not to do something sinful.
And yes, people with fruits of the spirit still sin.
And they are to at least try to do sinful things less often.
Don't worry....you'll be okay if you try not to do something sinful.
Obedience's comes from faith( rom1:5)
The christian is justified in respect of crossing over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness by faith in Christ, NOT by observing the law( gal2:15-18 and Tha is how they must carry on in their walk.
Holiness I achieved by looking away from yourself and trusting jesus to bring about the change he wants you to have, then the holy spirit can start the sanctification process. The more you look away from yourself and to Christ the more the fruits of the spirit will grow in you, the mote holier life you will live.
You make the mistake most do, you look to the literal letter to try and obey, not to Christ through whom obedience comes by faith
Doing YOUR best to obey the literal letter will bring poor results
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Sorry, it's okay to say we should try to keep the ten commandments.
All it really means is putting a little effort into behaving the way we all know God wants us to.
What do really think is going to happen if you resist specific temptation?
In reality....you probably do that anyway.
I don't believe that ANYONE never checks themselves and says in their heart..."no, I'm not going to try lying my way out of a ticket like I'm tempted to. Or, "I'm going to be honest on my taxes even though I'd like to try getting away with something." Or, "I'm going to stop flirting with that girl at work." And "I'm going to make these efforts because God doesn't like sin."
You really going to tell me God has a problem with that?
Or that making that effort because it's in line with God's commandments is in some secret way all about me?
If it were about me, I'd do whatever I wanted whenever I wanted to without ANY consideration for the higher ways of God?
All it really means is putting a little effort into behaving the way we all know God wants us to.
What do really think is going to happen if you resist specific temptation?
In reality....you probably do that anyway.
I don't believe that ANYONE never checks themselves and says in their heart..."no, I'm not going to try lying my way out of a ticket like I'm tempted to. Or, "I'm going to be honest on my taxes even though I'd like to try getting away with something." Or, "I'm going to stop flirting with that girl at work." And "I'm going to make these efforts because God doesn't like sin."
You really going to tell me God has a problem with that?
Or that making that effort because it's in line with God's commandments is in some secret way all about me?
If it were about me, I'd do whatever I wanted whenever I wanted to without ANY consideration for the higher ways of God?
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No...the goal is attained by grace.
The reason we make effort to do sinful things less often is because we desire to live in accordance with the will of God.
Do you really expect me to believe that you never ever resist any temptation to do something sinful?
Or that this is somehow not an issue for your because you are never ever tempted by sin?
Or that every time you are tempted you just automatically go with the sin?
I don't believe that.
I think you have a moral compass that comes from God and that despite temptation, you try to do what's right based on God's will. I believe you are tempted by sin and that you would rather not sin because you know God's will. I believe sometimes that takes a little effort on your part. And I believe that sometimes you successfully resist sin and sometimes you don't.
The reason we make effort to do sinful things less often is because we desire to live in accordance with the will of God.
Do you really expect me to believe that you never ever resist any temptation to do something sinful?
Or that this is somehow not an issue for your because you are never ever tempted by sin?
Or that every time you are tempted you just automatically go with the sin?
I don't believe that.
I think you have a moral compass that comes from God and that despite temptation, you try to do what's right based on God's will. I believe you are tempted by sin and that you would rather not sin because you know God's will. I believe sometimes that takes a little effort on your part. And I believe that sometimes you successfully resist sin and sometimes you don't.