Mother of Harlots

[InSpiritInTruth]

Thanks, you just proved my point, and showed that I was correct in what I said,

End of story. You reject the literal interpretation of the word. WHich proves the man of sin, the world leader at the end of this age, the son of perdition, the one who will rule the natural world go to war against the saints, and will personally be destroyed by Jesus and cast to hell at his return, is a real person, (who many call antichrist) and not just a spirit..



No, You are the one who has proven yourself to be in error..

Your also bearing false witness, so your also the liar.

You reject the plain words of God concerning antichrist as it is given to us in scripture. But instead you follow the wild imaginations of carnally minded teachers who have not the Spirit of God (Spirit of Truth) working in them, but rather the spirit of a lie (false prophet spirit) working in them.

And so now your imaginary flesh and blood man figure is called the "man of sin". Well I also already showed by scripture in post #20 that Paul was not talking about a single individual man but a whole wicked generation that has "that Wicked" spirit working "in" them, as Jesus also confirmed in the parable of "that man".


So by the words of God I have proven not only that antichrist is a spirit working in many deceivers and has already come into the world. But also the mystery of the "man of sin" is speaking of a whole wicked generation that is going into destruction.

But all you have done is run off at the mouth not proving "Antichrist" is a single flesh and blood man that is yet to come in the future, nor do you even understand what Paul was talking about when he referred to the "man of sin" and "that Wicked" and the "mystery of iniquity" working "in them" "they" and "they all" who have rejected the Truth.

Your nothing more than a false accuser, liar, and a deceiver. BYE!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You reject the plain words of God concerning antichrist as it is given to us in scripture. But instead you follow the wild imaginations of carnally minded teachers who have not the Spirit of God (Spirit of Truth) working in them, but rather the spirit of a lie (false prophet spirit) working in them.

And so now your imaginary flesh and blood man figure is called the "man of sin". Well I also already showed by scripture in post #20 that Paul was not talking about a single individual man but a whole wicked generation that has "that Wicked" spirit working "in" them, as Jesus also confirmed in the parable of "that man".


So by the words of God I have proven not only that antichrist is a spirit working in many deceivers and has already come into the world. But also the mystery of the "man of sin" is speaking of a whole wicked generation that is going into destruction.

But all you have done is run off at the mouth not proving "Antichrist" is a single flesh and blood man that is yet to come in the future, nor do you even understand what Paul was talking about when he referred to the "man of sin" and "that Wicked" and the "mystery of iniquity" working "in them" "they" and "they all" who have rejected the Truth.

Your nothing more than a false accuser, liar, and a deceiver. BYE!

Yep.

You deny Daniel, Jesus own words in matthew 24 and Revelation.

Thanks, Enjoy yourself if this times comes, You will not be ready..

And your not from God. Your judging, This is a discussion forum, If you do not want to discuss Gods word, but just condemn people. then maybe you need to find someplace else to go.

 

[Ahwatukee]

You reject the plain words of God concerning antichrist as it is given to us in scripture. But instead you follow the wild imaginations of carnally minded teachers who have not the Spirit of God (Spirit of Truth) working in them, but rather the spirit of a lie (false prophet spirit) working in them.

And so now your imaginary flesh and blood man figure is called the "man of sin". Well I also already showed by scripture in post #20 that Paul was not talking about a single individual man but a whole wicked generation that has "that Wicked" spirit working "in" them, as Jesus also confirmed in the parable of "that man".


So by the words of God I have proven not only that antichrist is a spirit working in many deceivers and has already come into the world. But also the mystery of the "man of sin" is speaking of a whole wicked generation that is going into destruction.

But all you have done is run off at the mouth not proving "Antichrist" is a single flesh and blood man that is yet to come in the future, nor do you even understand what Paul was talking about when he referred to the "man of sin" and "that Wicked" and the "mystery of iniquity" working "in them" "they" and "they all" who have rejected the Truth.

Your nothing more than a false accuser, liar, and a deceiver. BYE!

Hello InSpiritInTruth,

"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. "


From the time of both John's and Paul's letters, the spirit of the antichrist was already in the world. For John said that anyone who denied that Jesus was the Messiah was an antichrist. However, scripture makes very clear that there will be specific man who will play the part of that ruler, the antichrist, that man of lawlessness, who is to come. He is the first beast, followed by his side-kick, the second beast who is the false prophet. First of all, the reference to the "man" of lawlessness is in the singular. Also, the scripture above demonstrates that the beast is a literal being, as he along with the false prophet will be thrown "Alive" into the lake of fire at Christ's return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. Therefore, the beast is not just representing a kingdom, but represents an actual being as well. Consider the following:

"He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God."

The scripture above is very clear in that, an actual person is being referred to by the fact that "he" will set himself up in God's temple. For those who try to interpret "God's temple" here as referring to the believers body, they are just distorting the scripture, as the word "temple" is again in the singular, not meaning many temple's of believers, but referring to the physical temple in Jerusalem.

There is a man coming, that man of lawlessness, the antichrist who will reign and will be given authority to make war and to conquer the great tribulation saints for those last forty-two months, which are the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. And he will be given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation and they will worship him, all whose names that have not been written in the book of life from before the world began.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Here is an old post which explains the 7 headed worldly Beast image is not a single man but is made up of many members like the body of Christ , which Beast is also enjoined to the harlot religious system by One spirit.

What I want to show in this thread is that the Beast and the Harlot in the book of Revelation are united by one spirit and they both speak of many people, not just a single geographic location, or city, or even some individual man figure yet to come in the future. The best way to show this is by looking at the opposite reflection of the True, which is the Church (Bride of the Lamb), and the Lamb or Christ.

It is written in 1 Corinthians 12:27 “Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.” Here we see Paul refers to the Church as the Body of Christ, and there is a reason for this. We read in Ephesians 5:30-32[SUP] “[/SUP]For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.[SUP]31 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.[SUP]32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.”

And again in 1 Corinthians 12:12-14 “For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many.”

So if can grasp this concept how One Spirit unites both the Church (Bride) and the Lamb into one body, and is made up of many members gathered over the ages, then so also is the scarlet colored Beast and the Harlot united by one spirit, and also made up of many members gathered over the ages.

1 Corinthians 6:16 “What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.”

And if the Bride of the Lamb is shown as the New heavenly Jerusalem and holy city, which is made up of many living stones, then you will also understand that the earthly Jerusalem (Harlot/ false tabernacle system) is also made up of many dead stones,(so to speak) or many spiritually dead people; not some a brick and mortar city with a zip code.

Remember, the Holy Ghost teaches us to compare spiritual things with spiritual.

Daniel 7:11“I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.”

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

To prove the 7 headed Beast is global, and is not a man just look at where the woman sits...

Revelation 13:1-3 “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.”

I know many want to know who the 7 heads and the ten horns are, but that really isn’t the important part here. The important part is understanding this beast is global, meaning the beast is from all nations, peoples and tongues. And what is also important to understand is how this beast gets its power, and that is by the red dragon.

So how do we know this beast is global? First notice he rises out of the sea. The sea in scripture symbolizes the nations. This is also shown as “many waters” in scripture. Notice the woman sits on the same scarlet colored beast in Revelation 17:3 “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”

Many people believe that the woman in Revelation is a brick and mortar city like Jerusalem, as some also believe the scarlet colored beast she rides on is also limited to a specific geographic location. But scriptures prove both these ideas to be false because the imagery of the woman and the beast are global and affect all the nations of the world, and even all the inhabitants of the earth. So let’s confirm this point by scripture.

Revelation 17:1-3 “And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earthhave committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”

First thing notice where the woman sits.She sits on the scarlet colored beast, which is also the many waters. So the scarlet colored beast is in the many waters, and here is where she sits in Revelation 17:15 “And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”

This confirms what Revelation 17:2 has already stated the beast she sits on is made up of the "kings of the earth" and "inhabitants of the earth" This means the beast is global, and so is the effects of the Harlot because they have all been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”

Some more confirmation of the “many waters” as referring to the nations of the world is shown here in Isaiah 17:13 The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.”

Jesus also spoke of the nations as the sea of waters in Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;” So one could say the scarlet colored beast is symbolic of the serpent in the red sea.

This sign of the serpent, or dragon in the sea was shown in Job as Leviathan the crooked serpent and also here in Psalm 74:14 “Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.”

The people inhabiting the wilderness, are like those wandering the wilderness of sin. But the Lord will judge him with His sword as shown here in Isaiah 27:1 “In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.”

So the heads are really not that critical when you understand that all kings, kingdoms, and nations on this earth have been deceived by Satan through his spirit working in them. How do we know this? Because of sin, just as it is written 1 John 3:8 “He that commits sin is of the devil;

 

[DP]

Sad you read matt 24 but you missed what Jesus said.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

So, you say world peace. Jesus says great tribulation, so severe that no time on earth past present or future will be so severe. In fact, it will be so bad, I "Jesus" must return, because if I do not put a stop to it, no flesh (life) will survive, (it will be an extinction event)

Thanks, But I will listen to Jesus. if that alright with you?

It will be, upon Christ's saints here on earth, if we live to see it. The reason is because of that coming pseudo-Christ that is going to play our Lord Jesus and all the other roles of the one other religions are looking for to come. Paul showed in 2 Thess.2 he will exalt himself over all that is 'called'... God, or that is worshiped.

So is he going to go around killing the deceived who wrongly bow in worship to him that he has in his pocket? No, of course not. It will be the closest possible mimic of Christ's Kingdom to come on earth that man will ever see performed by a false messiah. Problem will be, the majority will not think that pseudo-Christ is false. They will proclaim him as God. And the orthodox unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem are going to be the most tricked by that coming event.

Have you not understood why orthodox Jews in Jerusalem today have the materials ready to build another temple in Jerusalem? It's because of Bible prophecy with Messiah coming. Those in Christ know a fake is coming first though, the deceived Jews don't know that. Who do you think those will believe that first one coming is?

And how would that pseudo-Christ fool those deceived Jews in Jerusalem if he showed the world he was really a fake Messiah?

This level of deception was shown us by our Lord Jesus in the Matt.24:23-26 Scripture, when He was warning of the coming pseudo-Christ (KJV "false Christs" = Greek pseudochristos); and how IF POSSIBLE, it would even deceive His very elect.

Christ's elect won't be deceived by that false messiah, but a working that would almost deceive His, if possible, how strong a level of deception would that be? That's what that tribulation is going to be about at the very end when the false messiah shows up in Jerusalem. This is why our Lord Jesus and Apostle Paul gave us the warnings about remaining a chaste virgin, like the barren who's paps never gave suck, without child spiritually instead of with child spiritually from bowing to that false messiah instead of waiting on Him.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Here is an old post which explains the 7 headed worldly Beast image is not a single man but is made up of many members like the body of Christ , which Beast is also enjoined to the harlot religious system by One spirit.

What I want to show in this thread is that the Beast and the Harlot in the book of Revelation are united by one spirit and they both speak of many people, not just a single geographic location, or city, or even some individual man figure yet to come in the future. The best way to show this is by looking at the opposite reflection of the True, which is the Church (Bride of the Lamb), and the Lamb or Christ.

It is written in 1 Corinthians 12:27 “Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.” Here we see Paul refers to the Church as the Body of Christ, and there is a reason for this. We read in Ephesians 5:30-32[SUP] “[/SUP]For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.[SUP]31 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.[SUP]32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.”

And again in 1 Corinthians 12:12-14 “For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many.”

So if can grasp this concept how One Spirit unites both the Church (Bride) and the Lamb into one body, and is made up of many members gathered over the ages, then so also is the scarlet colored Beast and the Harlot united by one spirit, and also made up of many members gathered over the ages.

1 Corinthians 6:16 “What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.”

And if the Bride of the Lamb is shown as the New heavenly Jerusalem and holy city, which is made up of many living stones, then you will also understand that the earthly Jerusalem (Harlot/ false tabernacle system) is also made up of many dead stones,(so to speak) or many spiritually dead people; not some a brick and mortar city with a zip code.

Remember, the Holy Ghost teaches us to compare spiritual things with spiritual.

Daniel 7:11“I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.”

Hi InSpiritInTruth,

Forgive me, but none of the scripture that you have posted above have anything to do with the antichrist, that man of lawlessness as not being a literal man. Here is what scripture says about it:

The seven heads: "The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings." The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

So, that future beast/antichrist is referred to as a "King." As I have already pointed out to you, scripture states that both the beast and the false prophet will be thrown alive into the lake of fire, which would demonstrated that they are both persons/beings. There is one man coming who will be controlled by that beast who comes up out of the Abyss and who will kill the two witnesses and who will set himself up in God's temple proclaiming himself to be God. The false prophet is going to have the inhabitants of the earth make an image of him, which further demonstrates that the antichrist is a person/being. The beast is not just a kingdom, but a person who will rule that kingdom.

 

[DP]

Once again, the first beast of Rev.13:1-2 is NOT a person. It's a kingdom.

The 2nd beast of that chapter is the "another beast" starting at Rev.13:11 forward, which is a person, the Antichrist. He also is in the role of the false prophet, which role is cast into the lake of fire along with that first beast kingdom when Jesus comes, because those roles will have ended on earth forever.

The "seven heads" of the 1st beast are "mountains" per our Lord Jesus in Rev.17. A person doesn't have "seven mountains"! But a world system, a kingdom, does.

This distinction is also made in Rev.13:2 when our Lord used the beast kingdoms of Dan.7 represented by those animals to describe the 1st beast. Those old kingdoms had a beast king over a beast kingdom. Can't have a king without a kingdom, nor a kingdom without a king. The beast king is mainly being described in the Rev.17 chapter, but in Rev.13 he is described as the "another beast", a 2nd beast.

 

[DP]

Hi InSpiritInTruth,

Forgive me, but none of the scripture that you have posted above have anything to do with the antichrist, that man of lawlessness as not being a literal man. Here is what scripture says about it:

The seven heads: "The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings." The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

So, that future beast/antichrist is referred to as a "King." As I have already pointed out to you, scripture states that both the beast and the false prophet will be thrown alive into the lake of fire, which would demonstrated that they are both persons/beings. There is one man coming who will be controlled by that beast who comes up out of the Abyss and who will kill the two witnesses and who will set himself up in God's temple proclaiming himself to be God. The false prophet is going to have the inhabitants of the earth make an image of him, which further demonstrates that the antichrist is a person/being. The beast is not just a kingdom, but a person who will rule that kingdom.

But nor are you rightly dividing that Scripture:

Rev 17:9-10
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.


10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
KJV

That 9th verse is about the 1st beast, a kingdom. But the 10th verse is about the beast king, a person.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Many believe a temple called the "Temple of God" must be rebuilt and a single man figure yet to come called "Antichrist" will sit in this brick and mortar temple built by the hands of man. Problem is God's Holy Temple is in heaven as written, and also God said he does not dwell in temples made by the hands of man. So what did Paul mean when he spoke of "he" sitting in the temple of God? The answer to this mystery is our bodies are that temple that God made(not man) for His Spirit to dwell "in".

We read in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”

Paul here is talking about the man of sin being revealed, the son who will go into destruction, who has “that Wicked” spirit working in him. Many believe this to be a single evil man figure is yet to come, but Paul clearly mentions this spirit working in many, and it “the mystery of iniquity already working”

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 “ Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,[SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.[SUP]5 [/SUP]Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?[SUP]6 [/SUP]And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.[SUP]8 [/SUP]And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:[SUP]9 [/SUP]Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,[SUP]10 [/SUP]And with all deceivableness of unrighteousnessin them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.[SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:[SUP]12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness"

Note, in them, they, them, they all is speaking about more than one man. (but many)

But what about sitting in the Temple of God? I believe Paul was speaking in a mystery when he said this, as he was also playing off of other parts of scripture in order to do this. In Ezekiel 28:2 “Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:”

The Lord later goes on to say to this “man” in verse 13 “ Thou hast been in the garden of God;” Now we know the Prince of Tyrus was not in the garden of God, but man (Adam) was. But the Lord later goes on to call this man the “covering cherub.” So the message here is twofold, it is speaking of man and the spirit working in the heart of mankind.

The Lord is not just speaking to the prince of Tyrus alone, but to the spirit of “that Wicked” which entered into man (Adam) when sin entered into man. (man of sin)

So when you understand the spirit and the sin nature of the devil is working in the heart of man, then we can begin to see what Paul was saying about this “man of sin” sitting in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God”.

Paul also gave us clue to confirm this message in 1 Corinthians 6:19 “What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

So our bodies are that temple God created for Himself to dwell in by His Spirit, but “that Wicked” spirit entered in, when sin entered in man= “man of sin”

And Paul goes on to say in 1 Corinthians 3:17 “If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.”

So whosoever has “that Wicked” spirit dwelling in them, (the temple of God) him shall God also destroy. (son of perdition) or son who goes into destruction.

 

[DP]

Many believe a temple called the "Temple of God" must be rebuilt and a single man figure yet to come called "Antichrist" will sit in this brick and mortar temple built by the hands of man. Problem is God's Holy Temple is in heaven as written, and also God said he does not dwell in temples made by the hands of man. So what did Paul mean when he spoke of "he" sitting in the temple of God? The answer to this mystery is our bodies are that temple that God made(not man) for His Spirit to dwell "in".

Nah, that's a doctrine of men designed to serve the Preterist and Historicist notions.

Christ's spiritual temple, of which we are part of, can NEVER be corrupted by any man, period. The reason is because it is a heavenly one, its foundation being His Apostles and the prophets, and Himself as it Chief Cornerstone.

If any... man could corrupt that, then Christ's Salvation would mean nothing! Only by staying in Christ Jesus can one be part of the spiritual temple concept of Ephesians 2. Those who fall away are cut off from it.

Thus the temple the man of sin Paul warns will sit in per 2 Thess.2, that is to come and play God, is about a LITERAL rebuilt physical temple in Jerusalem. That is a requirement for the event of the "abomination of desolation" being placed per the Book of Daniel, which Jesus quoted in His Olivet Discourse concerning the coming false messiah, which is who Paul was pointing to.

Matt 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
KJV

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
KJV

2 Thess 2:9
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
KJV

Rev 13:11-14
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
KJV

 

[DP]

Are the majority of Jews already deceived about the coming pseudo-Christ/Antichrist to Jerusalem to sit in their rebuilt temple?

I think so, which is probably one of the reasons why various devised doctrines against that Biblical truth have been created by men to get people away from understanding that coming event, and instead to support the orthodox unbelieving Jews with their plan to build another temple and start up the old covenant worship again.

That would also make sense why many of them hate anyone proclaiming from Scripture the events of prophecy about Jerusalem in a false worship state for the end, and especially anyone proclaiming from Scripture that Jerusalem is the "great city" Babylon harlot of Revelation.

What the orthodox Jews have been doing instead of heeding Christ's warnings about fallen Jerusalem in the last days is drum up support even from Christian Churches in helping them to prepare to build their temple, and supplying red heifers for sacrifice (see about Jesus, Inc., if you can still find info on it).

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Hi InSpiritInTruth,

Forgive me, but none of the scripture that you have posted above have anything to do with the antichrist, that man of lawlessness as not being a literal man. Here is what scripture says about it:

The seven heads: "The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings." The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

I didn't say that post discussed antichrist, did I? And what you assume is also wrong. If someone wants to have a discussion about antichrist then first pull up all the verses that actually mention the word "antichrist" in them and show us all in those verses where it says antichrist is a single man figure that is yet to come in the future.


But you can't because it is false doctrine. If it were true the scriptures would confirm antichrist had not come yet, and was a single man yet to come in the future. But that is not what the scriptures say does it? Do you believe in proving all things by the words of God? You and others are building a whole doctrine based on a false premise from the get go, that antichrist is a flesh and blood man yet to come in the future, which is an outright lie.

So if you cannot prove that very first point about antichrist by scripture, then there is no need to discuss any further points about antichrist because it is all then just speculation on your part.

 

[DP]

I didn't say that post discussed antichrist, did I? And what you assume is also wrong. If someone wants to have a discussion about antichrist then first pull up all the verses that actually mention the word "antichrist" in them and show us all in those verses where it says antichrist is a single man figure that is yet to come in the future.


But you can't because it is false doctrine. If it were true the scriptures would confirm antichrist had not come yet, and was a single man yet to come in the future. But that is not what the scriptures say does it? Do you believe in proving all things by the words of God? You and others are building a whole doctrine based on a false premise from the get go, that antichrist is a flesh and blood man yet to come in the future, which is an outright lie.

So if you cannot prove that very first point about antichrist by scripture, then there is no need to discuss any further points about antichrist because it is all then just speculation on your part.

Nah, we don't need to pull up ONLY verses that have the word "antichrist" in them to know in other Scripture that it's referring to that false one that is to come at the very end in Jerusalem. Doing what you suggest purposefully tries to limit the prophecies about that false one that God put in His Word just so you can keep a tradition from men.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I didn't say that post discussed antichrist, did I? And what you assume is also wrong. If someone wants to have a discussion about antichrist then first pull up all the verses that actually mention the word "antichrist" in them and show us all in those verses where it says antichrist is a single man figure that is yet to come in the future.

But you can't because it is false doctrine. If it were true the scriptures would confirm antichrist had not come yet, and was a single man yet to come in the future. But that is not what the scriptures say does it? Do you believe in proving all things by the words of God? You and others are building a whole doctrine based on a false premise from the get go, that antichrist is a flesh and blood man yet to come in the future, which is an outright lie.

So if you cannot prove that very first point about antichrist by scripture, then there is no need to discuss any further points about antichrist because it is all then just speculation on your part.

And what you are not understanding is that, the Ruler of Daniel 9:26-7 who sets up the abomination in the temple, the man of Lawlessness of 2 Thes.2 which Paul mentions and John's reference to the antichrist, are all speaking about the same person and he will be controlled by that beast who comes up out of the Abyss and is thrown alive into the lake of fire when Christ returns. Daniel, Paul and John all speak of him as a literal person. Revelation speaks of him as a literal person/being.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I already went over this before in post #36 but here ya go again for those hardheaded folk...

Here are all the verses that mention antichrist....

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The antichrist spirit is a single lying spirit that works in many deceivers. To say antichrist is a flesh and blood man yet to come in the future is false doctrine, and is not of the Truth.

If your doctrine is not in line with what the words of God say is true then your not building your doctrine on the Rock, but on the flimsy sands of mans own wicked imagination.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Once again, the first beast of Rev.13:1-2 is NOT a person. It's a kingdom.

The 2nd beast of that chapter is the "another beast" starting at Rev.13:11 forward, which is a person, the Antichrist. He also is in the role of the false prophet, which role is cast into the lake of fire along with that first beast kingdom when Jesus comes, because those roles will have ended on earth forever.

The "seven heads" of the 1st beast are "mountains" per our Lord Jesus in Rev.17. A person doesn't have "seven mountains"! But a world system, a kingdom, does.

This distinction is also made in Rev.13:2 when our Lord used the beast kingdoms of Dan.7 represented by those animals to describe the 1st beast. Those old kingdoms had a beast king over a beast kingdom. Can't have a king without a kingdom, nor a kingdom without a king. The beast king is mainly being described in the Rev.17 chapter, but in Rev.13 he is described as the "another beast", a 2nd beast.

Dan 2: [SUP]37 [/SUP]Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.


Daniel is told. The head of Gold was the kingdom af Babylon but more specifically, it was the person (king) himself.

Using scripture to interpret scripture. Kingdoms, Beasts, whatever they are, all gentile power. Each power is ruled by one king, that king is the beast.

In the last day, when rome is reformed and made into a power far greater than the rome of Jesus day. A man (king) will rule that kingdom. That kingdom, (the last of the gentiles kingdoms fortold by Daniel) will continue until the lords return.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I already went over this before in post #36 but here ya go again for those hardheaded folk...

Here are all the verses that mention antichrist....

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The antichrist spirit is a single lying spirit that works in many deceivers. To say antichrist is a flesh and blood man yet to come in the future is false doctrine, and is not of the Truth.

If your doctrine is not in line with what the words of God say is true then your not building your doctrine on the Rock, but on the flimsy sands of mans own wicked imagination.

And this does not prove the final world leader before the time of Christ is not a real person.

But you want to keep saying he is not.. so we can move on, we will never agree.

 

[Ahwatukee]

And this does not prove the final world leader before the time of Christ is not a real person.

But you want to keep saying he is not.. so we can move on, we will never agree.

Hi Eternallygratefull and InSpiritInTruth,

"that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists"

The verse above that InSpirit quoted from demonstrates first, "the antichrist" and then refers to "many antichrists." Regarding the first one mentioned, this is in reference to that specific individual, that little horn, the ruler, the man of lawlessness, that is to come who will proclaim himself to be God and who is going to his destruction. And the second reference is to those many individuals throughout the church period who would deny that Jesus is the Messiah, who have the spirit of antichrist, but are not thee antichrsit. So yes, there is a spirit of antichrist which has been present since the time of the apostles, but there is a literal individual who has been prophesied of as "The Antichrist" and who will appear and initiate that last seven years.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Here's another recent thread to help edify those who can be edified, enjoy.

If I were to preach the Spirit of Truth, which Jesus said would come in John 15:26, John 16:13 is a single individual man figure yet to come in the future you would probably think I was nuts, and rightly so. J But what’s equally odd to me is how so many people have been led to believe that the spirit of a lie that was also prophesied to come, and did come as written, is believed by so many to be a single man figure yet to come in the future called “Antichrist.”

Many true prophets spoke by the Spirit of Christ which was in them (1 Peter 1:11). Just as many false prophets were forecast to speak by the spirit of antichrist (spirit of a lie) which was in them (1 John 2:18).

Both the Spirit of Truth and the spirit of a lie (spirit of anti- christ) are spoken of as “he” and “it” in scripture. Just as there is a Holy Triune in the Father, Word, and Holy Spirit (Spirit of Truth), there is also an unholy triune shown in the Dragon, beast, and false prophet spirit (or spirit of a lie, aka antichrist spirit.)

And just as there is a Father of the Word, which is Truth, so also is there a father of the lie, which is the Devil. Jesus said of the Devil in John 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

One point I want to make in this study by comparing spiritual things with spiritual is the connection between the Spirit, and the mouth (voice) given symbolized by the horn (trumpet.) I also want to point out in this study is the connection between “it” which is the spirit of a lie, the anti christ spirit, the littlehorn and the tail of the Red Dragon found in many parts of scripture. Just as God the Father is the Father of the Spirit of Truth, or Spirit of Christ by which the true prophets spoke by; the Old Serpent the Devil is the father of “it” or the spirit of a lie by which many false prophets would speak by.

First let’s go to the beginning where we can find the mention of “it” bruising the head of the serpent in Genesis 3:15 “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

Notice the word bruise in the above verse is the strong’s number H7779. This word in the Hebrew is also shown as cover in Psalm 139:11 “If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover ( H7779) me; even the night shall be light about me.”
I believe this is also why Satan (father of lies) is shown as the “covering cherub” working in man(Adam) in Ezekiel 28:16 because the lie tries to cover up the Truth, or darken the Light of the Truth in God’s words. If our Father in heaven is the Father of the Light and children of the day, the Devil would be the opposite of that being the father of the children of the night and of darkness. (1 Thessalonians 5:5)

Keep in mind the Prince of this world is Satan, as his spirit is also known as the spirit of this world as well, as shown in Ephesians 2:2 “Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:”
Also here in 1 John 4:3 “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

Again notice John referred to the spirit of antichrist as “it”, just as anti-christ is opposed to the Truth, or the lie is anti-truth.
It, the spirit of a lie, is also known as “he” just as the Spirit of Truth is known as He in scripture as well. This verse here shows the 2 opposing spirits called “he”in 1 John 4:4 “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.” Notice “it” or “he” is in the world just as we saw he is also in the children of disobedience in Ephesians 2:2.

Also notice here Jesus said “it” working in the peoples, such as kings and rulers of the world would seek a testimony from us in Luke 21:13 “And it shall turn to you for a testimony.”

Now let’s prove this out further as to why the world cannot receive the Spirit of Truth in John 14:17 “Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.”

This confirms also the He who is in us,(Spirit of Truth) and he that is in the world(spirit of a lie) as shown earlier. He, or “it” does not know the Spirit of Truth because no lie is of the Truth as shown here in 1 John 2:21 “I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.”

Again notice the anointing of the Holy Spirit is Truth and abides in us in 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”

OK, now that we have established that wickedspirit was, and is already in the world, and also in the children of disobedience. Let’s confirm how “it”, the spirit of the lie is the same tail of the Red Dragon, and spirit in the littlehorn, or “he”, and antichrist spirit that was prophesied to come, and confirmed as already in the world (1 John 4:3)

Daniel 8:9-12“And out of one of them came forth a littlehorn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.[SUP]10 [/SUP]And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.”

Continued next.....