Promoting Half-truth

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Harley_Angel

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Because we are suckers for marketing, and the Catholic church gets a lot of bad press.
 
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Interesting. For me, I can't hate Catholics. My fiancee is Catholic :p

*EDIT* Or is it "fiance"? I always get confused with the two different spellings >_>
 
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nice concept but it assumes they are consistent and truthful

I have had a mormon bishop tell me one thing

then when a mormon lay person asks one of her junior elders about it he denies it

either he does not yet know or he lies to her

AS for RC, if it walks like a duck etc

they deny they encourage the worship of Mary?

maybe they do; on paper.............................
Well, what the issue comes down to is, whether the church teaches it or not.

If the church teaches the practice than the church needs to defend it's practices.

On the other hand, if an uneducated believer (or twenty-five) tells you a misrepresentation of the churches teachings, they are responsible, not the church.

We should never judge a church by its uneducated members.

Priests in the RCC are not winking when they tell us the difference between praying to a saint in front of a statue and praying to a piece of granite. Only non-member get confused over this issue.
 
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Here's an idea, let's stop promoting half-truths.

If you disagree with RCC doctrine do not misrepresent their doctrine.

- the church does not practice simony
- the church does not worship mary or any other saints
- the church does not teach us to pray to statues.

If you disagree with LDS doctrine do not misrepresent their doctrine.

- the church teaches that Jesus and satan and all of us are God's children and therefore spirit brothers and sisters - it is not an attempt to equate satan with Christ.

- the church does not practice polygamy.

- the church does not teach that God was once adam.

If you disagree with Pentecostals do not misrepresent their doctrine.

- the church does not teach that second baptism is necessary for salvation.
- that all Pentecostals deny the Trinity.
- the church does not promote anti-intellectualism

Here is the deal - promoting half-truths is characteristic of the serpent in the Garden - if you disagree with other doctrine - represent it properly and state your disagreement. There are plenty of differences between the three doctrines I featured - there is no need to misrepresent them.

At best, misrepresentation of doctrine reveals ignorance, at worst, devilry.

If you disagree with Pentecostals do not misrepresent their doctrine.

- the church does not teach that second baptism is necessary for salvation.
- that all Pentecostals deny the Trinity.
- the church does not promote anti-intellectualism

now I do know that most pentecostals believe that speaking in tongues is the evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost through Baptism of the Holy Ghost and if you don't speak in tongues then you did not receive the baptism and thus you did not get saved, so I don't know about the rest of your thread but I know that some pentecostal do believe that the second baptism of the Holy Ghost is necessary for salvation. thus this part of your thread would also be promoting half-truth
 
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Harley_Angel

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I'm Anglican, so I'm diet-Catholic. There is a lot I don't agree with that the Catholics do, but there is a lot I don't agree with that everybody else does, too. If I hated everyone who didn't do things they way I thought they should be done, I'd spend all my time hating...which...again...like ruling the world...does not leave me without enough sleep time.

Unfortunately, a lot of people who hate Catholics have never actually set foot in a Catholic church or done any sort of research with a normal Joe who attends Mass. I think a lot of people would be suprised to go to a Catholic Mass and see that it was singing, praying, a sermon, more singing and praying, communion, followed by singing and praying...which, oddly enough sounds like the same thing I do in EVERY other church I've been to, only with more kneeling and some body crossing arm exercises.
 
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Personally, I don't understand why so many Christians hate Catholics.
Yeah, it is sort of like Americans denying our relationship to England.
 
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now I do know that most pentecostals believe that speaking in tongues is the evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost through Baptism of the Holy Ghost and if you don't speak in tongues then you did not receive the baptism and thus you did not get saved, so I don't know about the rest of your thread but I know that some pentecostal do believe that the second baptism of the Holy Ghost is necessary for salvation. thus this part of your thread would also be promoting half-truth
Not at all. I am claiming that it is not accurate to promote that the official church teaching of ALL Pentecostal churches is that salvation relies on the second baptism of the Holy Spirit.
 
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I'm Anglican, so I'm diet-Catholic. There is a lot I don't agree with that the Catholics do, but there is a lot I don't agree with that everybody else does, too. If I hated everyone who didn't do things they way I thought they should be done, I'd spend all my time hating...which...again...like ruling the world...does not leave me without enough sleep time.

Unfortunately, a lot of people who hate Catholics have never actually set foot in a Catholic church or done any sort of research with a normal Joe who attends Mass. I think a lot of people would be suprised to go to a Catholic Mass and see that it was singing, praying, a sermon, more singing and praying, communion, followed by singing and praying...which, oddly enough sounds like the same thing I do in EVERY other church I've been to, only with more kneeling and some body crossing arm exercises.
See, personally, I favor Catholicism to the more modern offshoots of Christianity like Pentecostals, baptists, etc. I've been forced to church almost my entire life, and it always seemed like G-d and His Word and the various rituals like communion and baptism were...well, meaningless. Stripped of all the beauty and majesty that is what G-d commands us to do in honour of His Name.

I didn't see that in Catholic churches.
 
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I'm Anglican, so I'm diet-Catholic. There is a lot I don't agree with that the Catholics do, but there is a lot I don't agree with that everybody else does, too. If I hated everyone who didn't do things they way I thought they should be done, I'd spend all my time hating...which...again...like ruling the world...does not leave me without enough sleep time.

Unfortunately, a lot of people who hate Catholics have never actually set foot in a Catholic church or done any sort of research with a normal Joe who attends Mass. I think a lot of people would be suprised to go to a Catholic Mass and see that it was singing, praying, a sermon, more singing and praying, communion, followed by singing and praying...which, oddly enough sounds like the same thing I do in EVERY other church I've been to, only with more kneeling and some body crossing arm exercises.
Nice post!

I almost became Anglican, but decided to jump all the way into the pool......I do like the church, however.
 
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I like the atmosphere. There is something about the organ and the incense and the reflective speaking and the song-voices that just really puts me in the mood to worship. My parents dragged me to the non-denominational Church of Christ and it was a total snooze fest. I'm not saying Church needs to be fun and exciting, but for me, if I'm asleep, I'm not getting anything out of it. Being a part of the entire mass is wonderful. Kneeling in front of my Lord, praying to Him as one voice with the congregation, robed in the scent of the frankinscense and myrrh that Jesus would have been familiary with in His own time, everything about it is just, comforting to me. It gives me shivers just thinking about it.
 
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Personally, I don't understand why so many Christians hate Catholics.
because it preaches another gospel it is not By Christ and His works that we are saved the Savior Jesus the Christ just showed the catholics how to get saved by doing the 7 sacraments He was not The way but rather showed us the way to salvation.

Ga 1:6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Ga 1:7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.Ga 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.Ga 1:9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.Ga 1:10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.


and it is not that we hate catholics but rather hate their religion, they do do not confess that Jesus the Christ/Savior has come they have to save themselves with their 7 sacraments, thus they are their own saviors
 
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I like the atmosphere. There is something about the organ and the incense and the reflective speaking and the song-voices that just really puts me in the mood to worship. My parents dragged me to the non-denominational Church of Christ and it was a total snooze fest. I'm not saying Church needs to be fun and exciting, but for me, if I'm asleep, I'm not getting anything out of it. Being a part of the entire mass is wonderful. Kneeling in front of my Lord, praying to Him as one voice with the congregation, robed in the scent of the frankinscense and myrrh that Jesus would have been familiary with in His own time, everything about it is just, comforting to me. It gives me shivers just thinking about it.
My thoughts exactly :)
 
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I'm not particularly a fan of the Pope and the emphasis given on the virgin Mary, so I didn't make the full jump. I went to an Anglican church that did the "Hail Mary full of grace..." prayer after communion, and the wave of nausea I got every time it came to that point made me realize it wasn't for me so I went to a different Anglican church. I know they don't worship her, but I do believe she was just a woman, and as the mother of Jesus, she should be respected, but I'm not sure I'm ready for a full on hailing to her.
 
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because it preaches another gospel it is not By Christ and His works that we are saved the Savior Jesus the Christ just showed the catholics how to get saved by doing the 7 sacraments He was not The way but rather showed us the way to salvation.

Ga 1:6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Ga 1:7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.Ga 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.Ga 1:9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.Ga 1:10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Can you prove that? I know quite a few Catholics, including my fiancee, and I've studied Catholicism quite a bit. I've never seen them teach that.
 
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I'm not particularly a fan of the Pope and the emphasis given on the virgin Mary, so I didn't make the full jump. I went to an Anglican church that did the "Hail Mary full of grace..." prayer after communion, and the wave of nausea I got every time it came to that point made me realize it wasn't for me so I went to a different Anglican church. I know they don't worship her, but I do believe she was just a woman, and as the mother of Jesus, she should be respected, but I'm not sure I'm ready for a full on hailing to her.
This is probably going to get me attacked by someone, but that's how I feel about Yeshua. I mean, he was the Son of G-d, the Messiah, the Deliverer, etc., but doing anything but praying to him ("There is but one Mediator between G-d and man, the Messiah Yeshua") makes me uneasy.

I've always worshiped G-d alone and such.
 
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I like the atmosphere. There is something about the organ and the incense and the reflective speaking and the song-voices that just really puts me in the mood to worship. My parents dragged me to the non-denominational Church of Christ and it was a total snooze fest. I'm not saying Church needs to be fun and exciting, but for me, if I'm asleep, I'm not getting anything out of it. Being a part of the entire mass is wonderful. Kneeling in front of my Lord, praying to Him as one voice with the congregation, robed in the scent of the frankinscense and myrrh that Jesus would have been familiary with in His own time, everything about it is just, comforting to me. It gives me shivers just thinking about it.
.....Me too!
 
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because it preaches another gospel it is not By Christ and His works that we are saved the Savior Jesus the Christ just showed the catholics how to get saved by doing the 7 sacraments He was not The way but rather showed us the way to salvation.

Ga 1:6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Ga 1:7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.Ga 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.Ga 1:9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.Ga 1:10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.


and it is not that we hate catholics but rather hate their religion, they do do not confess that Jesus the Christ/Savior has come they have to save themselves with their 7 sacraments, thus they are their own saviors
This post confirms that people will choose to believe whatever supports their worldview despite the facts.....too bad
 
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now I do know that most pentecostals believe that speaking in tongues is the evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost through Baptism of the Holy Ghost and if you don't speak in tongues then you did not receive the baptism and thus you did not get saved, so I don't know about the rest of your thread but I know that some pentecostal do believe that the second baptism of the Holy Ghost is necessary for salvation. thus this part of your thread would also be promoting half-truth
There are three main branches of Pentecostalism: the baptismal Pentecostals, the holiness Pentecostals, and the oneness Pentecostals. There are a few of the holiness groups and a large portion of the oneness groups that hold to the doctrine that speaking in tongues is neccessary for salvation. Probably less than 10% of Pentecostals hold to that.
 
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Harley_Angel

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I understand Nuhen. My personal belief is that Jesus IS God, only He is one facet of God. When I pray to Him, I am praying to God. When I worship Him, I am Worshipping God. I think of it this way. When we reproduce, each parent gives their genes to the child, so in essence, their children are each a part of them, changed because they have two sets of genes instead of one. Jesus was begotten by the Holy Spirit, which is also God. Mary was a vessel, she was not a gene-giver, simply a womb. So Jesus had one set of "genes", from God...thus, He IS God, only human in form. It makes more sense in my head and my heart and sounds really stupid when I try to write it out, but that's how I sort of look at it.
 
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I'm not particularly a fan of the Pope and the emphasis given on the virgin Mary, so I didn't make the full jump. I went to an Anglican church that did the "Hail Mary full of grace..." prayer after communion, and the wave of nausea I got every time it came to that point made me realize it wasn't for me so I went to a different Anglican church. I know they don't worship her, but I do believe she was just a woman, and as the mother of Jesus, she should be respected, but I'm not sure I'm ready for a full on hailing to her.
I understand.....the whole Mary issue was difficult for me too, but it really became a non-issue - she is comforting for some and I don't think it takes anything a way from Christ.