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[james57]

The law only forbids coveting (longing for) things that belong to someone else. Don't know why Paul said coveting itself was outlawed.

Unless a woman was alone with no father, mother or married, would you agree coveting would cover every other woman?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Read the commandment. What does it say?

you said you do not understand why paul said it was outlawed. I do not understand what you meant

The law do not covet can mean a bunch of things, the actual letter does not even begin to let us know what it means, that is why it can not stop us from coming that sin and make us righteous. I can covet a persons things, I can covet a persons position, I can covet a persons way of life, I can covet a persons wife or children, I can covet a persons parents, I can covet so many ways we probably can not even name them all.

 

[james57]

Your a liar. I have never said that, Please stop bearing false witness against me

In fact, I have said otherwise. When I quot4ed what Jesus said about adultery and lust..

so please, take your own advice you have been shoving down a young lady who has not even been here three weeks. and stop thinking you know it all..

I will bring your post back up and others can view it

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

From what he writes eternally grateful only appears to believe coveting covers material possessions, can you explain to him that is wrong, he won't listen to me

The law only forbids coveting material possessions that belong to someone else.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I will bring your post back up and others can view it

go ahead

While your at it, Repost my last post also.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Unless a woman was alone with no father, mother or married, would you agree coveting would cover every other woman?

The law only forbids coveting a neighbor's wife. Can't see how coveting a man's daughter would be illegal.

 

[Magenta]

The law only forbids coveting material possessions that belong to someone else.

What doesn't belong to someone else?

 

[james57]

You can not say people excuse one sin, but does not excuse another, That is not being honest. Pharisees justified divorce and adultery, They justified lust, they justified all kinds of sin. That was the Pharisee way.

God never told Israel to kill gentiles or kill anyone who does not agree with them, The Pharisee made this rule up themselves. It is called a false religion, It is done so you can tell God. Look at me God, See what I am willing to do for you. I am not like the sinner.. thank you God..

Jesus called out the Pharisees for their sin in all kinds of ways, how they justified their sin, Saul was one of them, so he accused saul of those things also.

Saul went from being a very wealthy man, A man who was high in not only roman culture but as a Pharisee, a man of power in his own jewish society, He had power, prestige and money, all things any man would desire as a Pharisee, (in fact, the truth is paul had no reason to covet any mans things, He had everything he would ever want, and if he did not have it, he could certainly get it.)

to a man who gave up everything, Had to work to earn his money, and was considered by his nation and the romans of being nothing. Had a thorn in the flesh given by God. and many other things he lost.

I personally can see Paul getting jealous of people. missing what he had, Satan could use this against him, His own flesh could cause him to question things (especially in the beginning of his Christian walk) and if he tried to appose these temptations by the law (the flesh) he would have realized real quick he was in trouble.

Sometimes you just have to think things through, and they make total sense.

I would invite you all to read the fourth paragraph and judge for yourselves what eternally grateful viewed coveting as entailing

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The law only forbids coveting material possessions that belong to someone else.

Exodus 20:17 [Full Chapter]
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

this is what the law covers, and is the context behind what paul said.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

you said you do not understand why paul said it was outlawed. I do not understand what you meant

The law do not covet can mean a bunch of things, the actual letter does not even begin to let us know what it means, that is why it can not stop us from coming that sin and make us righteous. I can covet a persons things, I can covet a persons position, I can covet a persons way of life, I can covet a persons wife or children, I can covet a persons parents, I can covet so many ways we probably can not even name them all.

Paul said the law says, 'do not covet'. That's not what the law says.

 

[james57]

The law only forbids coveting material possessions that belong to someone else.

Are you serious?
Please put the tenth commandment up from exodus I am in a mobile

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Exodus 20:17 [Full Chapter]
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

this is what the law covers, and is the context behind what paul said.

Must be. He must just have been using an abbreviated form of that commandment. The point is coveting per se is not forbidden by the law.

 

[Magenta]

Are you serious?
Please put the tenth commandment up from exodus I am in a mobile

“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

 

[james57]

“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

Thanks magenta

 

[Magenta]

Thanks magenta

You are welcome, James I think the commandment is basically telling us to be happy with what we have. Some people make a life out of chasing things. I doubt it gives them what they truly desire...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Must be. He must just have been using an abbreviated form of that commandment. The point is coveting per se is not forbidden by the law.

what?? Your joking right?

Thou shalt not covet anything you neighbor has means do not covet. Your neighbor, as proven by scripture. is everyone you come in contact with..

 

[james57]

The law only forbids coveting a neighbor's wife. Can't see how coveting a man's daughter would be illegal.

It covers anything that belongs to your neighbour. Would Tha cover an 18 year old daughter for example?
Or only a wife and servant

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I would invite you all to read the fourth paragraph and judge for yourselves what eternally grateful viewed coveting as entailing

I made a statement,

Paul had more of a reason to covet AFTER he was born again, than before. and if this was true, if paul tried to use the law to overcome those temptations he would fail

as I showed in paragraph 6

I personally can see Paul getting jealous of people. missing what he had, Satan could use this against him, His own flesh could cause him to question things (especially in the beginning of his Christian walk) and if he tried to appose these temptations by the law (the flesh) he would have realized real quick he was in trouble.

I backed my statement of belief up with reasons why I believed that way.

You did not even address my statement, you instead, used a basic explanation of what I was saying, to prove I said that is ALL coveting was.

1. Why is it you did not do as you demand others do and answer my points I made
2. Why is it you say I believe coveting is only those things, when I NEVER STATED that those things were the only means of coveting, I used them as examples to prove a point.

 

[Euphemia]

You are on here now.

That's why you people will never admit you are wrong. You come on here to give others the benefit of your wealth of knowledge* as you see it) to admit you could be wrong in such circumstances I unthinkable

LOL! You are sitting on some strange kind of throne calling down comments like, "you people"!

You are not the Holy Spirit sent here to convince me of some high-falutin' error. You are full of error yourself. Get that taken care of and we'll see you on the other side.

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[NarrowRoadDisciple]

The law only forbids coveting (longing for) things that belong to someone else. Don't know why Paul said coveting itself was outlawed.

Because covetousness places something higher than God in the life of an individual. When we covet something we cannot have, our focus is no longer on God and what He can provide for you, but what you cannot have. When we covet something we have, our focus is still on the item/thing/person/etc and not on God. This is why Paul says that covetousness should be avoided in believers. It is tantamount to idolatry.