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HAS ANYONE HERE HEARD OF ATROZINE, APPARENTLY IT WAS KNOWN TO CAUSE FROGS TO CHANGE SEX AND MESS UP SEXUAL HORMONES. ATROZINE IS A PESTICIDE SPAYED ON CROPS BUT SOME THINK IT WAS A PLAYER IN THE RISE OF HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR. I KNOW SCRIPTURE SAYS IT IS THE CORRUPTION OF SIN ON MANKIND THAT CAUSES IT BUT STILL IT MAKES ME WONDER IF PEOPLE HAVE THEIR PARTS ALL MESSED UP.
 
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Dear Brother, I am glad to see some start talking about this. How many will be deceived if they are not prepared?
May God bless your work. Keep researching, keep revealing before it is too late.

Love in Jesus Christ
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It's called Cultural Marxism. It's the most obvious thing ever, yet most people refuse to see the truth.
 
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RoboOp said:
I don't believe many "conspiracy theories", however it's a fact that there's very real conspiracy, corruption, greed, etc., in the government, corporations, academia, etc., and it affects us all -- even the milk we drink! It also affects the medicine that we take. The vaccines that we give our children. The agriculture that we rely on. The "science" that we learn. The "news" that we watch and the "information" that we get. The elections in our "democracies". Maybe even the wars we fight. The religious freedom that we have (or don't have), and more.

There's definitely an ongoing spiritual conspiracy that's been going on for 6,000 years: the enemy is constantly conspiring to steal, kill, and destroy. If you're a Christian, you know who that real enemy is.

But he operates through his subjects here on earth, who conspire evil for their own gain and agendas which are actually his own agenda, or ultimately leading to it.

One Christian Chat member prefers the term "Conspiracy Research" (abbreviated CR from now on) over "conspiracy theories", and it's very interesting the Christian perspective that she takes:



Well, we have lots of people interested in such discussions and research, so here is a forum specially for that.


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Please take a look at my post, I explain it with details there: http://christianchat.com/christian-...theists-islamic-have-stopped.html#post2399025
 
Great information on this thread! However. I think we should focus much of our attention on what Christians can do to help heal this system we are currently living in. What can we do? What can I do? The first answer everyone already knows, PRAY. PRAY pray pray pray pray, fast, fast and pray. Collectively figure out steps we can take next. A huge GRAVE misfortune for us is our inability to evangelise. Yes we can do it in certain situations but many situations we cannot. A good first step in my view is to find some kind of legislation or SOMETHING that restores are right to evangelise as the lord has asked of us. There should be no reason to arrest Christians for professing our savior and teaching his ways. It should provoke every Christian to think about the great disservice we are doing by not introducing people whom have never been introduced to him. I was blessed to be from a Christian family. Many of us were. Imagine you were born in a remote village or tribe, or a different faith is practised almost exclusively around you growing up. How can you know what Jesus has to offer; if you have never even heard his name,or know his story, or cried out to him. Our savior takes the brunt of that! Our job as his people is so easy when it comes to evangelising, we have the easy part. As we all know if you come from a meaningful open-minded place in your heart, and ask for Jesus to reveal himself to you and to bless you with the power of the holy spirit, that is it! Our work is done, he will do the rest. I don't have any answers for what we can do NEXT after the thoughts I just gave. Luckily I have you brothers and sisters to help think of ideas! And please, if anything I have said does not resonate with you or you don't agree with something please tell me. I welcome criticism, without it I cannot grow. The last thing I want to say brings me to tears every time I think of it. We are part of the greatest love story in the universe, the greatest love story ever told, far greater than any fiction. All the power of heaven and earth, tempted by the serpeant, offered all the kingdoms of earth and more, and his decision...... Well we all know what he chose. That is our greatest truth, no MAN can make that decision.
 
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Great information on this thread! However. I think we should focus much of our attention on what Christians can do to help heal this system we are currently living in. What can we do? What can I do? The first answer everyone already knows, PRAY. PRAY pray pray pray pray, fast, fast and pray. Collectively figure out steps we can take next. A huge GRAVE misfortune for us is our inability to evangelise. Yes we can do it in certain situations but many situations we cannot. A good first step in my view is to find some kind of legislation or SOMETHING that restores are right to evangelise as the lord has asked of us. There should be no reason to arrest Christians for professing our savior and teaching his ways. It should provoke every Christian to think about the great disservice we are doing by not introducing people whom have never been introduced to him. I was blessed to be from a Christian family. Many of us were. Imagine you were born in a remote village or tribe, or a different faith is practised almost exclusively around you growing up. How can you know what Jesus has to offer; if you have never even heard his name,or know his story, or cried out to him. Our savior takes the brunt of that! Our job as his people is so easy when it comes to evangelising, we have the easy part. As we all know if you come from a meaningful open-minded place in your heart, and ask for Jesus to reveal himself to you and to bless you with the power of the holy spirit, that is it! Our work is done, he will do the rest. I don't have any answers for what we can do NEXT after the thoughts I just gave. Luckily I have you brothers and sisters to help think of ideas! And please, if anything I have said does not resonate with you or you don't agree with something please tell me. I welcome criticism, without it I cannot grow. The last thing I want to say brings me to tears every time I think of it. We are part of the greatest love story in the universe, the greatest love story ever told, far greater than any fiction. All the power of heaven and earth, tempted by the serpeant, offered all the kingdoms of earth and more, and his decision...... Well we all know what he chose. That is our greatest truth, no MAN can make that decision.
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Hello and welcome to the forum, how can I call you?
I agree with everything you said, but there is one point that feel obligated to clarify:
"There should be no reason to arrest Christians for professing our savior and teaching his ways. "

Yes, there is a point, the new world order, if we look at it from a metaphysical way, it is about the evil ruling the world. Being a Christian today is almost a crime to society. We have Antonio Gramsci to thank for that, he dedicated his whole "work", the cultural Marxism (Or passive revolution) to Satan (You can see this info in the documentary about Cultural Marxism in America). So today we have Islam taking care of everything, Atheists won't say anything about it, but when we open our mouths to talk about Jesus, it's like shouting at everyone. We have to do everything you said, but with care, the main reason is because history was distorted since the 20's and 30's, they (Socialists) have put the church as an evil thing.
Let us just think on a way of implementing Christianity without offending like 98% of people.....
 
Thank you for your reply. I'm John nice to meet you.

I disagree with the part about offending people.

I do not care if I offend someone if it has good intention. If I care for you though I do not know you. And I want to spare who ever can be spaired from weeping and whaling and moaning and nashing of teeth, than I need to try. My message now is not meant to be forcful, more simply put would you rather offend someone by telling them the truth or your truth? Or fib or sugar coat something to spare their feelings? Example you witness your best friends wife commit adultery, you can say I think she is no good for you she doesn't treat you right you deserve better. Or do you offend him and say I saw your wife do this? He may deny it. You may lose his friendship but its truth.

This is America, founded on freedom. Along with the lords work we need to restore that freedom. We shouldn't worry about offending because we are not offending anyone by what we do if we do it right. I've seen offensive evangelising and its grotesque. Going into a Mormon Church, a Mosque, synagogue ect, cannot, should not ever be done. But in public forumns or any public non religious venues why not speak to people who are willing to listen and make their own decisions.

You are correct though it will not be easy to figure out the best way to heal this issue of freedom because that's what really is at the heart of our problem right now. Many other facets of course but with restoration of freedom we can have more clear paths.

This is nothing new though, all people of all faith have faced persecution always period. And just like them we strive to fix our broken ways. God bless : )
 
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Thank you for your reply. I'm John nice to meet you.

I disagree with the part about offending people.

I do not care if I offend someone if it has good intention. If I care for you though I do not know you. And I want to spare who ever can be spaired from weeping and whaling and moaning and nashing of teeth, than I need to try. My message now is not meant to be forcful, more simply put would you rather offend someone by telling them the truth or your truth? Or fib or sugar coat something to spare their feelings? Example you witness your best friends wife commit adultery, you can say I think she is no good for you she doesn't treat you right you deserve better. Or do you offend him and say I saw your wife do this? He may deny it. You may lose his friendship but its truth.

This is America, founded on freedom. Along with the lords work we need to restore that freedom. We shouldn't worry about offending because we are not offending anyone by what we do if we do it right. I've seen offensive evangelising and its grotesque. Going into a Mormon Church, a Mosque, synagogue ect, cannot, should not ever be done. But in public forumns or any public non religious venues why not speak to people who are willing to listen and make their own decisions.

You are correct though it will not be easy to figure out the best way to heal this issue of freedom because that's what really is at the heart of our problem right now. Many other facets of course but with restoration of freedom we can have more clear paths.

This is nothing new though, all people of all faith have faced persecution always period. And just like them we strive to fix our broken ways. God bless : )
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Completely agreed with you, but you got me wrong, well, it's my fault for not having clarified, lol

I was sleepy by the time, it was almost 4 AM so....

I know this is America and there is freedom of speech according to the constitution, but we need to know how to use common sense.
There are way too many people victimizing, but there are also way too many people that are too radical.

You may believe the word of Jesus is right, but that's you, not the other people. When we want to convince people of something, we can't just force our way. We have to find a way of using marketing to convince them that what we have for them is better, otherwise we'll just "produce" more atheists.

Most atheists in society are actually Christians that are revolted to God because they had a bad religious education in home, or because they were influenced by friends not to believe in God. We can't act the fanatic way if we want to captivate people's hearts.

About that cheating part, if it was a friend of mine, I rather tell him to keep an eye on her, instead of saying "I saw her cheating on you". We have freedom of speech but we have to respect other's people space too.

It's proven already that forcing our way to convince someone of something doesn't work.

Let's just take a look at the villains of history:

- Hitler used a false premise that the German people was superior, also blamed the Jew for the economic problems of Germany, and look what happened, influenced a whole nation.

- There was also Stalin and Mao Tsé Tung that ended killing millions with communism, with the false premise of social equality.

So why those people that were evil could influence people, but we decent people can't?

That's marketing.

Marketing is something that can be used for the good or for the evil.

We have to deliver something that is going to solve people's problems. See that even God uses that. Even though God gives free will to everyone (Including Lucifer), he also allows the evil to act just so the person may chose to reject evil and chose conversion, because by far she will know that it's more of a advantage to stay with good.

Being annoying and invasive when people are way too satisfied with their own lives won't help us.

Even jesus had to use Miracles to prove people he was the son of God and he something good to deliver.

what I'm basically saying is: If we want something from people, we have to offer something they need first.
 
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You brought up great marketeers of the last century which I think is very interesting to study these people. Almost all caused millions of deaths weather purposly or accidental. One thing I can say about Adolf Hitler is he must have been the best public speaker of our time. I was not alive for WW2 so I could never speculate on what went down back then. From our current time we can speculate don't blindly beleive any history books of the last 2 or 3 hundred years. Somehow Hitler took a poor and starving Germany from the depths of despair to a major world super power in 5 years. While doing this he united Germany to something the likes of the world has never seen any peoples unite. They would not give up no matter what. With Gods grace I hope our next president can take America out of her time of despair and unite the nation as it united under the founding of this country.
 
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You brought up great marketeers of the last century which I think is very interesting to study these people. Almost all caused millions of deaths weather purposly or accidental. One thing I can say about Adolf Hitler is he must have been the best public speaker of our time. I was not alive for WW2 so I could never speculate on what went down back then. From our current time we can speculate don't blindly beleive any history books of the last 2 or 3 hundred years. Somehow Hitler took a poor and starving Germany from the depths of despair to a major world super power in 5 years. While doing this he united Germany to something the likes of the world has never seen any peoples unite. They would not give up no matter what. With Gods grace I hope our next president can take America out of her time of despair and unite the nation as it united under the founding of this country.
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There is something called social Marxism, you can have a brief of it on youtube, there is a video with like 8 minutes lengh.
Information have been manipulated since the 20's and 30's in the western world. One thing they never thought in school is that Hitler was a socialist, instead they say he was a right wing, that's one of the biggest lies ever told, and I'll give you two proofs now:


1 - Nazism means National-socialist party

2 - Look at this image: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_S92AOjzV1...2mf8/s400/HammerSickle_Swastika_Nazi_1934.jpg

With these two you can destroy every leftist argument on "Hitler was a right wing".

The current government is destroying the USA, the next one will finish the destruction, as it is like 90% sure that the next one will be Hillary.

Marketing is the main tool of socialists, they want to make people believe that what they have for them is the better, they use marketing for evil purposes. Just look at the talk of "Equality", they want people to believe they deserve equality, social equality, gender equality, that it's unfair that someone is wealthier, etecera. They want to make religion an evil thing, so they try to destroy it, just so the Estate becomes the religion, the Estate becomes God itself (Fascism).

That's where we get in, people are brainwashed and should first use arguments that are non-religious, we should first use logic to make them think on their own decisions, then we can start talking about God.

For example, social equality, you can use an argument like:

- So, you want social equality? Do you actually think it's fair for you to earn the same amount of money as your colleague, when your boss actually wants to give you the amount you deserve (Which is way higher than what you think you deserve), because you're an excellent employee, smarter and more ambitious than the others? So you still think it's fair to earn the same amount as the guy that didn't effort the same way as you, to reach where you have reach?
In other words, if you took your whole life to reach a certain point, and the other guy didn't, is it unfair if you earn more money than him on your profession?

They use that same argument, but on the other wise. They actually think everyone should earn the same amount of money, despite they have worked or study more/less than the others. They (Socialists) want the perversion of everything.

It's the same thing as saying a CEO of Google should earn the same amount of money as a trainee, it's just an absurd.

But they convince people of that. They started by the culture, slowly, introducing things to change people's behavior, it took about 80 years to reach the point that we are now, so this means if we want to change things, will have to use their same methods, but for good.
 
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