Are we sinners?

[dalconn]

Once a person is born into the family of God (indwelt by the Holy Spirit) should we still consider ourselves sinners?

 

[RickyZ]

Eternally no. As for our 'ticket to heaven' that's a once in a lifetime event and in that realm no we are no longer sinners.

In the world, yes. When you break God's will by submitting to a demon in sin, you are submitted to that demon in sin... until you confess and rebuke it.

So sin has no power over our eternal forgiveness ... but it does hold power over our flesh in the world.

 

[dalconn]

so you're saying we're slaves to sin as long as we're in this life?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The word sinner is ambiguous IMO. It can mean an unregenerate person, or it can be used to describe the fact that a Christian still has carnal (sinful) nature.

 

[crossnote]

Saved, justified, covered by the blood, redeemed, saints, yet we still sin.

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/simuliustus.html

 

[crossnote]

Saved, justified, covered by the blood, redeemed, saints, yet we still sin.

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/simuliustus.html

(from the link above)

"Righteousness through Christ is called an “alien” righteousness because it did not generate from us. It is not our righteousness; it is his. It is an alien righteousness because it came from without, and now it is in a foreign land. It does not belong here; it is an alien righteousness. In Latin we call it simul iustus et peccator: simul, simultaneously; iustus, just; et, and; peccator, sinful. That is me – simultaneously righteous and sinful. That is my contribution to salvation -- my sin! At the same time that I am a sinner, God sees me as righteous because of the blood of Jesus Christ. That is the message of outreach -- it is the message of salvation."

 

[gotime]

Once a person is born into the family of God (indwelt by the Holy Spirit) should we still consider ourselves sinners?

I consider myself dead to sin and alive to Christ:

Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[AboundingGrace]

To sin is to miss the mark. The term is sports related, as an archer who uses bow and arrow to attempt to hit the target bull's eye.

So, the saying, "Practice makes perfect" comes into use. As Christians first saved we are like babes who must learn to walk, that comes with practice, it can be awkward, it can result in landing on our butt.. however, I've yet to see a child who is doing it that is not happily excited to attempt to walk.

So, the scripture, comes into play. "By the glory of the Father we walk in newness of life." Rom.6:4 We therefore were buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.

 

[NarrowRoadDisciple]

As born again believers not yet in glorified bodies, we have flesh bodies. This is why God exhorts us that our spiritual battle is with the flesh, the world, and the enemy and to put on the armor of God so we may stand against the enemy. God also says that the flesh is contrary to the Spirit and WHEN we walk in the Spirit we shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. When we are not walking in the Spirit, what seems natural and correct to us by our carnal understanding, we "miss the mark." So another exhortation to born again believers is to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith. All this will go away at the end of our race of faith in Glorification when we receive our glorified bodies!

To be a sinner is to be one who sins. Does not God tell us that if we say we have no sin in us, the love of the Father is not in us? This deals directly with fact that we are born again but in flesh bodies that fight against the Spirit. The difference now, is that the Father has given us the gift of repentance when we become born again. We are sinners saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus. So as born again believers, when we sin, we confess it to God and repent .

 

[Dan58]

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23) The "all" in that verse would seem to be all inclusive. Christians certainly commit sin, but when we repent, our sins are blotted-out, washed in the blood of Christ. Anyone who claims they don't sin, doesn't need Christ, because they are righteous by law.

 

[gotime]

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23) The "all" in that verse would seem to be all inclusive. Christians certainly commit sin, but when we repent, our sins are blotted-out, washed in the blood of Christ. Anyone who claims they don't sin, doesn't need Christ, because they are righteous by law.

It says all "have" sinned. past tense, not all are sinning.

 

[AboundingGrace]

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23) The "all" in that verse would seem to be all inclusive. Christians certainly commit sin, but when we repent, our sins are blotted-out, washed in the blood of Christ. Anyone who claims they don't sin, doesn't need Christ, because they are righteous by law.

Pardon my isolating something you posted.. I'm puzzled by the last sentence "Anyone who claims they don't sin, doesn't need Christ, because they are righteous by law." What then? of Gal.2:21 “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness came by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

 

[Grace777x70]

...Paul always wrote " To the sinners in Rome, Ephesus, Colossae, Galatia..etc "?????

I must have a defective bible as mine says we are "saints".

Philippians 4:21-22 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Greet every saint in Christ Jesus. The brethren who are with me greet you.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] All the saints greet you, especially those of Caesar's household.

Even those saints in Corinth that were having sex with the temple prostitutes, those that were fighting amongst each other. ...taking each other to court...getting drunk at communion...eating all the food so that when the poor people came, there was no food left for them....that were as carnal as can be.....they were still called saints.

1 Corinthians 1:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

have been sanctified = perfect passive

perfect tense = The basic thought of the perfect tense is that the progress of an action has been completed and the results of the action are continuing on, in full effect. In other words, the progress of the action has reached its culmination and the finished results are now in existence

passive voice = this means that an action has happened to you, you are not involved in the action,. you receive the action

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Paul was telling the saints to identify with who you were now in Christ....not with your former ways of living.

Either we are either unrighteous ( unbeliever ) or justified/declared righteous in Christ ( believer ).

We were a sinner before Christ. Now we are a saint ( because of Him and our real selves are in Christ Jesus..the new creation, the inner man....the new man created in Christ Jesus in righteousness and holiness Eph 4:23-24 Col)

We have a new nature in Christ now. We are saints that sometimes sin.

It's all in the identity. Confess who you are in Christ - not what you were.

If we don't see that we are new creations in Christ, that He is our righteousness and life - we will never grow up! We can be a Christian for 50 years..even pastor a church for 60 years and still be a baby Christian.

2 Peter 3:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

so you're saying we're slaves to sin as long as we're in this life?

Many believe that, but that is not what Jesus said of those who He would set free. Here is a post I put together awhile back that proves you can be set free from sin, as we are called to be holy saints not present tense sinners.

Some folks will tell you that in this life you can never be free from sin, and that you will always sin, and be in sin. But this my friends is not of faith in the good news gospel and power of God in Jesus Christ. That is another gospel, and doctrine of doubt in what the power of God can do you in your life by faith in Jesus Christ.

Jesus came to save us from our sins, to cleanse us from all iniquity, and to also set us free from sin, and to also give us the power by the grace of God so that sin shall not rule over you, but rather righteousness.

Matthew 1:21 “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

1 John 5:17 “All unrighteousness is sin:….” Jesus cleanses us from all sin>>>1 John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. = 0 sins left after cleansing. And then he empowers us by His Spirit and by Christ working in us (seed of promise) to remain sin free>>>1 John 3:9 “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” = being “In Christ” and not being “in sin”.

Being made free from sin….

Romans 6:3-7 "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For he that is dead is freed from sin.”

Romans 6:18 “Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

John 8:34-36 “Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.[SUP]35 [/SUP]And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”

So don’t doubt the power of God in Christ Jesus, but rather believe. Peace

 

[JesusLives]

Some how I feel like this is a trick question. As already stated all have sinned and fall short of God's glory. Even Paul struggled...

Romans 7:…14For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. 15For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good.…

We have hope and forgiveness Because.....All things are possible through Christ who strengthens us...

In this world we will continue to war against the flesh but we will be changed in a moment in a twinkling of an eye when He comes.

1 Corinthians 15:51Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.

 

[Cee]

No.

As He is so are we in this world. We are the righteousness of God. We are saints.

Here's an example: 1 Co 9Or do you not know that the unrighteous[SUP]b[/SUP] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[SUP]c[/SUP] 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such WERE some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God

We are now washed, we are now sanctified, we are now justified, and actually we are glorified. Because Christ gave us the same glory that His Father gave Him so we might be one. This is why all of creation is waiting for us to realize who we are. Thinking we are still sinners is actually double mindedness that James tells us to repent from. It is living through 2 minds the natural and the mind of Christ. But the old man is dead. And we are new creations. Created in righteousness and holiness. As we accept this - the question will no longer be can I sin? But why would I want to? This is true repentance from the heart which comes from understanding God's goodness and kindness. And takes us from orphans/slaves into sons. By which we cry "Abba Father" no longer held with a spirit of slavery.

Most of Romans tells us over and over we are dead to sin. Let's just believe it. The passage in Romans 7 was written so Jews would understand their need for a Savior. Which is why Romans 8 starts with "therefore"...

C.

 

[PaulMack]

The question should not be if we are sinners, the question should be: "Is your name written in the Book of Life"?

We are NOT judged by our sins, we are judged by our acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

Revelation 20:11-15
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The question should not be if we are sinners, the question should be: "Is your name written in the Book of Life"?

We are NOT judged by our sins, we are judged by our acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

Revelation 20:11-15
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Some believe their names cannot be blotted out of the book of Life for unrepentant sins, but that is not true.

Revelation 3:1-5 "And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.[SUP]2 [/SUP]Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

 

[Grace777x70]

"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

We get white robes by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. It's His righteousness...not by our works that we do....those are filthy rags...he is talking to people in the gatherings there in church that have not come to Jesus yet....our churches here are full of people like that now as well...

white robes = His righteousness

Some believe their names cannot be blotted out of the book of Life for unrepentant sins, but that is not true.

Revelation 3:1-5 "And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.[SUP]2 [/SUP]Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is a teaching about Sardis in Revelation...

Incomplete Deeds: The Zombie Church of Sardis (Rev 3:1-6) – Escape to Reality