The Pendulum Has Swung.

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Imagine falling at His feet and loving on Him with our tears falling on His nailed scared feet because we know of His love for us......we will forever be crying out.. "Worth is the Lamb"

Thank you for the picture!

And I sometimes wonder if He can love us MORE than He already has...

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And, in a few months, it will swing back. Then some months after that, it will swing the opposite direction again. That's just how it works.
"That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun." (Ecclesiastes 1:9) :rolleyes:
 
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It's also why we are still sinners. Anything short of perfection cannot be in the presence of a perfect God. It's why we need To accept Christ who advocates for us with the Father.

yep. so legalism, and a pseudo salvation which can be lost is out the door, lost forever. destroyed. Because we can never deserve salvation to begin with, so how could we ever undeserve what we never deserved.
 
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yep. so legalism, and a pseudo salvation which can be lost is out the door, lost forever. destroyed. Because we can never deserve salvation to begin with, so how could we ever undeserve what we never deserved. [/B]
By walking away from it.
 
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Jesus can not love you more but will not love you less. We can never out give God plain and simple. If we try to the best of our abilities to please him that in its self is acceptable to God. Now he knows are heart and thoughts so there's no fooling him.
He is faithful and just to forgive for those that miss the mark, but we must be honest with our selves are we living for him to the best of are abilities or are we slack and take advantage of his grace. I have to admit for me I slack and cause my own spiritual turmoil, I'm a shamed of it, some of the time you can't tell me from a heathen by my actions and speech. The Lord wants us to be transparent not to hid when he comes in our garden to check on us as a good father does. God has taken me out behind the wood shed and he has taken me up on the mountain top. To be Christ centered is to be others centered to give of yourself freely as he did. Faith promotes grace I know that the Lord is inside of me and he handles me like a child and there have been times when he is my God my deliverer my shield, my strength, my redeemer.
 
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So I looked up this phrase, antinomianism, and I'm laughing because I still don't think I understand it because I've never spoken to someone who has met God and then thinks it entitles them to flaunt all morality. If anything, people think we're nuts because we believe we've murdered by anger in our hearts! That's quite the opposite of flaunting all morality. They think we are TOO exacting when it comes to morality. I guess I've never met an antinomianism person. I wonder if they even exist...
 
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By walking away from it.

You can not walk away from God. Nor would you ever want to.

And even if you could God would know you would before he even gave it to you. so he would never give it to you to begin with.

so in all ways. your thought is not true.

Plus John said it is not true. those who walk away walk away because they were never saved. If they were saved, they would never walk away.
 
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There is a way to lose your salvation ( as if it is "yours" that obtain it for you ).....but you have to be able to use a lot of imagination and have a very ,low opinion of our Lord's sacrifice and the integrity of our Father..( oh brother.. )

John 10:27-30 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
[SUP]28 [/SUP] and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.[SUP]29 [/SUP] "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] "I and the Father are one."

You have to be NOT a "no one"...so no one mean everything one else but you.....:rolleyes:

All's you do is wrestle yourself out of Jesus' hand..then once you have Him beat..then you are ready to take on the Father. ( He's a little tougher but you will have experience now on how to pluck yourself out of His hand )

In order to scare Jesus and the Father first you must..I repeat MUST intimidate Them with your mighty power by verbally accusing Them....you can tell them that they lied when He said " I will never leave nor forsake you"

Then because you are in Christ...He is going to have to stop being a High Priest for you..( again God lied when He said He is a priest forever...)

His blood which He spilled for all sins that supposedly have been taken away..that has to stop too being efficacious ....Jesus has to stop being the Lamb of God.

Even in the Old Covenant the priest looked at the lamb for blemishes..not the guy who brought the sacrifice.. the Father looks at Jesus....He is our Lamb! He is spotless and blameless.

.."...as He is..so also are we in this world.."

It's all really ridiculous..our salvation is not based on us..it is based on Jesus and His finished work!..He is faithful and grace much more abounds around sin...it's just plain "spiritual ignorance that has gone to seed " to think of His perfect work and that somehow it revolves around us and what we do.

John 10:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] and I "give" eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the "gift" of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Romans 11:29 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

( Somehow some obscure passages of scripture that people take without looking at it in context nullifies all the vast proof of scriptures that speak otherwise of the integrity of God and HIs completed work....is it possible we have those scriptures interpreted wrong because we look through the wrong "lens"?...of course.. )
 

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So I looked up this phrase, antinomianism, and I'm laughing because I still don't think I understand it because I've never spoken to someone who has met God and then thinks it entitles them to flaunt all morality. If anything, people think we're nuts because we believe we've murdered by anger in our hearts! That's quite the opposite of flaunting all morality. They think we are TOO exacting when it comes to morality. I guess I've never met an antinomianism person. I wonder if they even exist...
True, but there are those who never met God, but blab Jesus Words, and lead many astray...

2 Peter 2:1-3,17-19 KJVS
[1] But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. [2] And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. [3] And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. [17] These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. [18] For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. [19] While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
 
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You can not walk away from God. Nor would you ever want to.

And even if you could God would know you would before he even gave it to you. so he would never give it to you to begin with.

so in all ways. your thought is not true.

Plus John said it is not true. those who walk away walk away because they were never saved. If they were saved, they would never walk away.
I met someone like this.

Anyone who set aside the law of Moses died without mercy on [the testimony of] two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think the person will be considered worthy of who treats with disdain the Son of God and who considers ordinary the blood of the covenant by which he was made holy and who insults the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28-29
 
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I get asked more questions on Hebrews 10:26 than any other verse in the Bible. Evidently, this is a verse that troubles many Christians:

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left (Heb 10:26)

Wow! That looks scary! Let’s take a quick survey. Please put your hand up if you have lived a sinless life since accepting Jesus as your Savior. Hmmm. I don’t see any hands. I have been saved for decades and – if I’m honest with you – I cannot say my performance has been flawless throughout that period. I’m pretty sure I sinned this one time back in 1987…

All jokes aside, Hebrews 10:26 is an oft-abused scripture. If you wanted to use this verse to scare people, there are a couple of angles you could take it..

here is the rest for those that are wondering about this scary verse..and it is scary if you are not born-again..

Hebrews 10:26 – Escape to Reality





I met someone like this.

Anyone who set aside the law of Moses died without mercy on [the testimony of] two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think the person will be considered worthy of who treats with disdain the Son of God and who considers ordinary the blood of the covenant by which he was made holy and who insults the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28-29
 

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I take it Heb 10,26 is speaking of those who turn their back on Jesus as the only sacrifice for their sin.
Whether a true Christian can do that is debatable.
 
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I get asked more questions on Hebrews 10:26 than any other verse in the Bible. Evidently, this is a verse that troubles many Christians:

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left (Heb 10:26)

Wow! That looks scary! Let’s take a quick survey. Please put your hand up if you have lived a sinless life since accepting Jesus as your Savior. Hmmm. I don’t see any hands. I have been saved for decades and – if I’m honest with you – I cannot say my performance has been flawless throughout that period. I’m pretty sure I sinned this one time back in 1987…

All jokes aside, Hebrews 10:26 is an oft-abused scripture. If you wanted to use this verse to scare people, there are a couple of angles you could take it..

here is the rest for those that are wondering about this scary verse..and it is scary if you are not born-again..

Hebrews 10:26 – Escape to Reality
That passage of scripture refers to Jews who abandoned their faith in the blood of Christ by considering it a common thing, and returning to faith in the blood of temple sacrifices. So yes, a person can walk away from the faith with dire consequences as it is plainly described.
 
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I take it Heb 10,26 is speaking of those who turn their back on Jesus as the only sacrifice for their sin.
Whether a true Christian can do that is debatable.
They could decide that sacrifice is not necessary.
 
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Who would ever want to go away from the love of God in Christ?..Jesus said "My sheep know my voice and follow Me..".....it is absolutely foolish and it's a natural mind trying to make sense out of scriptures..it's in the mindset and in the "lens"....and then you still have to pluck yourself out of Jesus' hands and then take on the Father..it's ludicrous



 
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Who would ever want to go away from the love of God in Christ?..Jesus said "My sheep know my voice and follow Me..".....it is absolutely foolish and it's a natural mind trying to make sense out of scriptures..it's in the mindset and in the "lens"....and then you still have to pluck yourself out of Jesus' hands and then take on the Father..it's ludicrous
Jews who were being persecuted and threatened with death for their faith decided that they loved the world more than GOD. You speak from the perspective of a pampered Westerner.
 

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They could decide that sacrifice is not necessary.
Hebrews 10:26-27 KJVS
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

A possibility...

Hebrews addressed a mixed multitude (as all congregations are) and thus the warning strikes at the heart of those who are tempted to revert to Judaism and forsake the congregation v.25 all because they have not been truly regenerate.

...this is why I said it is debatable.
 

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Jews who were being persecuted and threatened with death for their faith decided that they loved the world more than GOD. You speak from the perspective of a pampered Westerner.
1 Corinthians 10:12 KJVS
[12] Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.