We're ALL still waiting for some TRUE insights from you...BUT alas I just can't see this happening!
It would be best to keep your fables to yourself, dear boy!
Mother of Harlots
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We're ALL still waiting for some TRUE insights from you...BUT alas I just can't see this happening!
It would be best to keep your fables to yourself, dear boy!
Mystery Babylon is ISLAM. There is absolutely no doubt about it, nor is there any serious debate. Islam fits every single clue. Islam has roots all the way back to Babylon and before that Babel. It is the same people from the line of Ham, Noah's son who worship Islam today and bowed down to Nebuchadnezzar's image in the days of Daniel.
A "Harlot" in Biblical terms, is a false religion. To be the Mother of all Harlots you have to be the original or oldest or the biggest. ISLAM is all of the above if you consider its roots, the location for where it started, the people who follow it, and the prophesies about what it will do, and is now doing.
Ham's son, Canaan, slept with Noah's wife (uncovered his nakedness), while Noah was drunk and passed out. Moses had a way of writing diplomatically and by keeping it clean. But this fact is proven if you read on because Moses defines what it means in Leviticus:
Leviticus 20:11
The man who lies with his father’s wife has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
In this case, it was the grandson. Anyway, Ham basically bragged about it to his brothers and got them to come see.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then he drank of the wine and was drunk, and became uncovered in his tent. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside.
Now notice Noah's reaction. He's mad at Ham but more upset with Canaan, Ham's 4th son.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]So Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done to him. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Then he said: “Cursed be Canaan; A servant of servants He shall be to his brethren.”
The Canaanites, from the Land of Canaan where Israel is today are indeed "servants" to their brother Muslims. They are considered at the bottom of the food chain, so to speak. Now Cush, the older brother of Canaan (1st son of Ham) begot Nimrod. It is Nimrod who established Babel after the Flood. Many believe Nimrod slept with his mother, Semiramis making her the original HARLOT. It was Semiramis who began Idol Worship after the Flood. Thus, the Woman of Rev 17-18 is represented by Semiramis. The descendants of Ham settled in Egypt, Assyria and Saudi Arabia.
The Children of Israel began to worship the foreign gods in the Lands where they were starting in Egypt then later in the Land of Canaan, then in Assyria, Babylon, etc. They played the Harlot with the gods of these people - the same people who follow Islam today. Even the Muslim symbol of the Crescent Moon and Star existed as far back as Egypt and was present in some form in each of the Beast kingdoms.
Today's Muslims are compelled to bow down towards Mecca 5 times a day and pray. In Mecca is the Temple to Allah, their god. The cornerstone of the Temple is a black stone or meteor. This is the same black stone that the "Men of Ephesus" worshiped in the Temple of Diana.
Acts 19:35
And when the city clerk had quieted the crowd, he said: “Men of Ephesus, what man is there who does not know that the city of the Ephesians is temple guardian of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Zeus?
This image from Zeus, a Greek god, is worshiped by every Muslim on the planet. Ephesus of course was a prominent city in what is today Turkey, the former headquarters of the Islamic Ottoman Empire. What did the man of Ephesus chant back in Paul's day?
Acts 19:34
But when they found out that he was a Jew, all with one voice cried out for about two hours, “Great is Diana of the Ephesians!”
Imagine being Paul and trying to preach but for 2 hours people are yelling "Great is Diana" at you!!! What do their children chant today? ALLAHU AKBAR - Allah is Great!!
Everyone should read Gal 4:21-31. Paul teaches us about the Children of Hagar. Of course Hagar was an Egyptian and her son (with Abraham) is considered the Father of all Muslims. Hagar was a bondwoman, a slave. Paul teaches that the "Muslims" are desolate (as in Abomination of the Desolate - or Desolation). Paul teaches that they have many children but no husband. Remember the Woman Harlot in Rev 18 laments that she is no widow? You can't be a widow if you have no husband.
ISLAM is described at the 4th seal. The Greek word for pale below is Chloros) which means Green, not pale. Chloros is translated correctly as "green" everywhere else. Satan was very clever trying to get us to not see Green here as Green is the Muslim color which represents Paradise. Paradise is where they think they go when they blow themselves up but John teaches they really go to Hades.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.
Muslims make up 1/4 of the world. They have power over this 1/4 of the world to kill by these various means: sword (war), hunger (starvation is worst in Muslim nations), death (chemical, biological, nuclear warfare) and by nations which sponsor terror.
A "Harlot" in Biblical terms, is a false religion. To be the Mother of all Harlots you have to be the original or oldest or the biggest. ISLAM is all of the above if you consider its roots, the location for where it started, the people who follow it, and the prophesies about what it will do, and is now doing.
Ham's son, Canaan, slept with Noah's wife (uncovered his nakedness), while Noah was drunk and passed out. Moses had a way of writing diplomatically and by keeping it clean. But this fact is proven if you read on because Moses defines what it means in Leviticus:
Leviticus 20:11
The man who lies with his father’s wife has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
In this case, it was the grandson. Anyway, Ham basically bragged about it to his brothers and got them to come see.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then he drank of the wine and was drunk, and became uncovered in his tent. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside.
Now notice Noah's reaction. He's mad at Ham but more upset with Canaan, Ham's 4th son.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]So Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done to him. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Then he said: “Cursed be Canaan; A servant of servants He shall be to his brethren.”
The Canaanites, from the Land of Canaan where Israel is today are indeed "servants" to their brother Muslims. They are considered at the bottom of the food chain, so to speak. Now Cush, the older brother of Canaan (1st son of Ham) begot Nimrod. It is Nimrod who established Babel after the Flood. Many believe Nimrod slept with his mother, Semiramis making her the original HARLOT. It was Semiramis who began Idol Worship after the Flood. Thus, the Woman of Rev 17-18 is represented by Semiramis. The descendants of Ham settled in Egypt, Assyria and Saudi Arabia.
The Children of Israel began to worship the foreign gods in the Lands where they were starting in Egypt then later in the Land of Canaan, then in Assyria, Babylon, etc. They played the Harlot with the gods of these people - the same people who follow Islam today. Even the Muslim symbol of the Crescent Moon and Star existed as far back as Egypt and was present in some form in each of the Beast kingdoms.
Today's Muslims are compelled to bow down towards Mecca 5 times a day and pray. In Mecca is the Temple to Allah, their god. The cornerstone of the Temple is a black stone or meteor. This is the same black stone that the "Men of Ephesus" worshiped in the Temple of Diana.
Acts 19:35
And when the city clerk had quieted the crowd, he said: “Men of Ephesus, what man is there who does not know that the city of the Ephesians is temple guardian of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Zeus?
This image from Zeus, a Greek god, is worshiped by every Muslim on the planet. Ephesus of course was a prominent city in what is today Turkey, the former headquarters of the Islamic Ottoman Empire. What did the man of Ephesus chant back in Paul's day?
Acts 19:34
But when they found out that he was a Jew, all with one voice cried out for about two hours, “Great is Diana of the Ephesians!”
Imagine being Paul and trying to preach but for 2 hours people are yelling "Great is Diana" at you!!! What do their children chant today? ALLAHU AKBAR - Allah is Great!!
Everyone should read Gal 4:21-31. Paul teaches us about the Children of Hagar. Of course Hagar was an Egyptian and her son (with Abraham) is considered the Father of all Muslims. Hagar was a bondwoman, a slave. Paul teaches that the "Muslims" are desolate (as in Abomination of the Desolate - or Desolation). Paul teaches that they have many children but no husband. Remember the Woman Harlot in Rev 18 laments that she is no widow? You can't be a widow if you have no husband.
ISLAM is described at the 4th seal. The Greek word for pale below is Chloros) which means Green, not pale. Chloros is translated correctly as "green" everywhere else. Satan was very clever trying to get us to not see Green here as Green is the Muslim color which represents Paradise. Paradise is where they think they go when they blow themselves up but John teaches they really go to Hades.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.
Muslims make up 1/4 of the world. They have power over this 1/4 of the world to kill by these various means: sword (war), hunger (starvation is worst in Muslim nations), death (chemical, biological, nuclear warfare) and by nations which sponsor terror.
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I believe Islam is a part of the global beast system, and is one of those religions who swear falsely by the Lords name. And no doubt they have the spirit of antichrist working in them, as does all those who deny Jesus Christ. But more specifically I believe Islam is the feet of the beast. Here is a post I wrote about the bears feet....
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/108299-feet-bear.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/108299-feet-bear.html
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Matthew 24:5-8 (KJV)
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
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5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
[SIZE=+1]VICARIUS FILII DEI[/SIZE]
| THE LITERAL MEANING: | VICARIUS - substituting for, or in place of |
| FILII - means son | |
| DEI - means GOD |
Global Beast System? What is that?
I read your other post. You are close. But it appears you, like most, see some form of a global system where the so-called AntiChrist will come to lead. This is not so. Islam isn't "part" of some global beast system, ISLAM is the False religion of the Beast Empire. ISLAM isn't the "feet" of the Beast. The Beast "carries" or supports the HARLOT ISLAM.
Yes, Daniel mentions 4 Beast Empires and you correctly identify them. John uses those symbols in Rev 13. The 4th Beast of Daniel was indeed Rome and it was the most terrible of the 4. If you look at Dan 7 you see that the 10 horns come out of the 4th Beast Rome:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.
These 10 horns are the same 10 horns mentioned by John.
Revelation 17:12
“The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
What this is telling us is that 10 kingdoms will come out of Rome who will be part of the Muslim Beast which is what we saw with the break up of Rome into East and West with the East portion becoming the Ottoman Empire.
Again the harlot sits on all 7 heads as I showed in your other thread, so it cannot be Islam being carried. 5 of those heads had already fallen and the 6th was in place when John received the Revelation, Islam was not even founded yet, so Islam by itself does fit all the criteria found in scripture, and neither does the Vatican.
Also antichrist is a spirit that works in many deceivers, and has already come as the apostles also confirmed. I covered all this stuff in this thread if you care to search it out.
Also antichrist is a spirit that works in many deceivers, and has already come as the apostles also confirmed. I covered all this stuff in this thread if you care to search it out.
. I think you are missing the meaning of the imagery. There has been 7 EVIL SATANIC EMPIRES which carried (and now carries) the False Religion HARLOT. Correct, ISLAM was not carried by the previous 6. However, the predecessor of ISLAM was present in each of the previous six religions. In each case, the Children of Israel "played the Harlot" with the local gods of each Beast Kingdom AND in the LAND they were given. The symbol for each Beast kingdom that was worshiped included the Crescent Moon and Star, the same symbol of ISLAM today.1) Egypt: Osiris & Isis (Symbol "Horn in shape of Crescent Moon with Star in Middle")
1a) Canaan: Ba'al & Ashteroth, Moloch & Remphan (Symbol "Horn in shape of Crescent Moon with Star in Middle")
Acts 7:43 You also took up the tabernacle of Moloch, And the star of your god Remphan, Images which you made to worship; And I will carry you away beyond Babylon.’
2) Assyria: Assur & Ishtar (Symbol "Horn in shape of Crescent Moon with Star in Middle")
3) Babylon: Bel & Belit (Symbol "Horn in shape of Crescent Moon with Star in Middle")
4) Medo-Persia: Mithra & Anahita (Symbol, the Sun)
5) Greece: Helios & Artimas (Symbol, Sun and Moon)
6) Rome: Apollo & Diana (Symbol, Sun and Moon)
7) Ottoman Empire: Allah with Muhammad his prophet (Symbol: Crescent Moon with Star) You know the symbol of Islam, right?
Keep in mind, Daniel only names 4 of the beasts. He leaves out the ones that preceded him (Egypt and Assyria) and Daniel stops at Rome as far as naming the beasts. But he continues with the 10 horns that come out of Rome. Indeed, the Ottoman Empire defeated the Byzantine Empire in 1453 AD thus ending the Eastern Roman Empire headquartered at Constantinople (named after Roman Emperor Constantine). The Ottoman's renamed it Istanbul which of course is the gateway from Europe to Asia and is located in Turkey, the same country where all 7 of the churches that John wrote were located. You see, everything is connected and everything is Israel-centric and NOT global.
It is the final BEAST empire that we see being discussed in Revelation. This final beast empire was mortally wounded (Ottoman Empire) then comes back to life as the 8th which continues a short time. We are now in this short time.
11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition. Rev 17.
John is only telling you that today's Beast is of the previous beasts. Daniel tells you that Rome was different as Rome was the only beast that wasn't of Muslim/Arab descent. Here is what the beasts have in common:
1.They were all successive with one taking over from the prior
2.All have enslaved Israel
3.All have mistreated Israel
4.All have occupied the Holy Land
5.All were foreigners
6.All were dominant world powers of their day
7.All were actually regional powers limited to the extended
Mediterranean (Sea) area
8.All had similar False gods with which many Israelites “played the harlot”
9.All employed the “star” and “crescent” as prominent symbols
Please let me know if you have any further questions as I am here to help.
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I agree Islam is a part of the spirit of the global beast,(empowered by the Devil, or Dragon) but the Beast spirit is much bigger than a certain flesh and blood people in a certain region. The main battle, even from the beginning was between the serpents seed (children of the flesh) and the woman's seed. (children of promise).
Just as Ishmael was born of the flesh, and Isaac was born of the Spirit. The children of the flesh were forecast to persecute the children of the Spirit, this includes all people, nations, and tongues. That is the big picture people seem to miss in this global spiritual battle between the Serpents seed, and God's saints (children of promise.)
Here is a post I made about the Beast, and why man is unable to make war with him by means of carnal weapons.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/128844-who-able-make-war-him.html
Just as Ishmael was born of the flesh, and Isaac was born of the Spirit. The children of the flesh were forecast to persecute the children of the Spirit, this includes all people, nations, and tongues. That is the big picture people seem to miss in this global spiritual battle between the Serpents seed, and God's saints (children of promise.)
Here is a post I made about the Beast, and why man is unable to make war with him by means of carnal weapons.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/128844-who-able-make-war-him.html
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KennethC
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Yes, the spirit of the beast works in all peoples nations and tongues, (many waters) The woman sits on the 7 headed sea beast, the woman sits on many waters.
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KennethC
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Revelation 13 shows the beast system is made up of the areas of the 4 previous empires mentioned by Daniel, which would be the Babylonian, Medio-Persian, Grecco, and Roman combined. They will make war and use their power to take over the whole world.
I think one of the biggest problems here is that some think the beast and harlot are one and the same entity, this would be wrong as Revelation 17:16 shows that the beast will destroy the harlot !!!
Your focusing solely on flesh and blood kings and kingdoms, and you said "their power" but it is not their spiritual power, but the power that is given them by the Dragon as written. This is what people do not see, is the spirit working in all these kingdoms and men, just as God's saints are empowered from on high by His Spirit. Remember our battle is not against flesh and blood but spiritual wickedness. People insist on looking only at flesh and blood men, but not at what is behind all this wickedness.
And your right, the harlot religious system is not the beast kingdom, but is of the same spirit= flesh, carnally minded. Again, we need to compare spiritual things with spiritual so we can better understand the many symbolisms found in the book of Revelation.
I'll post this again to show how comparing the image of the True we can better see the opposite reflection in the spiritual imagery of the false......http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/106659-one-spirit-one-body.html