Where Is Mother Teresa Now?

[epostle]

There are no "good people" in the World. Everyone is a sinner even Mother Teresa.

Salvation is received by Faith epostle! If you have no Faith you have no Salvation!

Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.

God has shown EVERYBODY the Gospel.

Romans 1:18-19
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

Everybody, even Mother Teresa knew the Truth about God but rejected God for Mary instead.

Romans 1:20-23
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Professing to be wise, they became fools,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

You are without excuse epostle. Mother Teresa was also without excuse epostle and both of you will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire for Worshiping Mary as your god.

Off to the looney bin you go!​

 

[MikeHenderson]

I find that so sad that the Catholics ignore the very Word of God to follow the lies of the Catholic Church.

You can ignore all you want epostle, but you have put yourself in the Lake of Fire.

Its Catholicism that is off to the looney bin by teaching the commandments of men as Doctrines from God. Here is what God says about the Catholic Church teaching Mary is our Mediator.

Matthew 15:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP] “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”

In vain you Worship God epostle because you teach Mary is our Mediator which is a commandment of the Catholic Church.

 

[Utah]

What it says is that this saintly nun, so dedicated to others, also bore a gigantic cross that only increased her holiness and union with God.

Not having faith in Jesus increased her union with God?

That's like saying a fish out of water increased its oxygen intake.

 

[fordman]

Not having faith in Jesus increased her union with God?

That's like saying a fish out of water increased its oxygen intake.

I think not..... Archbishop Lucas Sirkar of Calcutta said it best: "Those who are questioning the faith of the Mother have no idea of what is spiritual life. The more you move forward in the path to saintliness or holiness, the more you have to struggle against that which is not holy." And then we have Sister Nirmala, Mother Teresa's successor and superior general of the Missionaries of Charity, added that what Mother Teresa went through is "A trial few souls go through. The light is so strong and the human capacity is so less. What happens when you look at the blazing sun? You are blinded. It’s like that."

This is were I suggest you go back and take a long hard read on my last sentence of post #99.

Whether it’s like an eclipse or being blinded, many devout and saintly people feel God has deserted them. The ancient Jewish prayer songs, the Psalms, are full of such allusions and Jesus utters one of these psalms questioning why God has forsaken him as he dies on the cross.

The sixteenth century Spanish poet and mystic, St. John of the Cross, goes further. He advises deliberately casting aside bodily pleasures and desires and emptying ourselves of spiritual feelings and thoughts – "the dark night of the soul". Instead, he says, we must "lean upon dark faith, taking it for guide and light". He explains how this period of dark faith is a painful time of apprehension and despair when God is purifying us so we might be ready for a new life in union with him.

St Teresa of Avila, the sixteenth century mystic and friend of St John, went through 18 years of emptiness before her "soul was full of light", while the most widely read spiritual writer, Trappist monk Thomas Merton, prayed, "I have no idea where I am going. I do not see the road ahead of me."
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The depth of Mother Teresa's doubts could be viewed by nonbelievers and skeptics like yourself as more evidence of the emptiness of religious belief. But Catholic scholars and supporters of the woman who toiled in Calcutta's slums and called herself "a pencil in God's hand" argue that her struggles make her more accessible and her work all the more remarkable."It shows that she wasn't a plaster-of-Paris saint who never had a doubt about God or the ultimate meaning of life," said the Rev. Richard McBrien, a University of Notre Dame theology professor and author of "Lives of the Saints." "This can only enhance her reputation as a saintly person with people who aren't easily impressed with pious stories. Those who think otherwise have a lot of learning to do about the complexities of life and about the nature of faith."
　

Ultimately what it comes down to Utah, is that Mother Teresa's struggles will demonstrate faith isn't about feeling, it's about will.

　
　
　
Pax Christi
　
　
　

 

[Utah]

I think not..... Archbishop Lucas Sirkar of Calcutta said it best: "Those who are questioning the faith of the Mother have no idea of what is spiritual life. The more you move forward in the path to saintliness or holiness, the more you have to struggle against that which is not holy." And then we have Sister Nirmala, Mother Teresa's successor and superior general of the Missionaries of Charity, added that what Mother Teresa went through is "A trial few souls go through. The light is so strong and the human capacity is so less. What happens when you look at the blazing sun? You are blinded. It’s like that."

This is were I suggest you go back and take a long hard read on my last sentence of post #99.

Whether it’s like an eclipse or being blinded, many devout and saintly people feel God has deserted them. The ancient Jewish prayer songs, the Psalms, are full of such allusions and Jesus utters one of these psalms questioning why God has forsaken him as he dies on the cross.

The sixteenth century Spanish poet and mystic, St. John of the Cross, goes further. He advises deliberately casting aside bodily pleasures and desires and emptying ourselves of spiritual feelings and thoughts – "the dark night of the soul". Instead, he says, we must "lean upon dark faith, taking it for guide and light". He explains how this period of dark faith is a painful time of apprehension and despair when God is purifying us so we might be ready for a new life in union with him.

St Teresa of Avila, the sixteenth century mystic and friend of St John, went through 18 years of emptiness before her "soul was full of light", while the most widely read spiritual writer, Trappist monk Thomas Merton, prayed, "I have no idea where I am going. I do not see the road ahead of me."
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The depth of Mother Teresa's doubts could be viewed by nonbelievers and skeptics like yourself as more evidence of the emptiness of religious belief. But Catholic scholars and supporters of the woman who toiled in Calcutta's slums and called herself "a pencil in God's hand" argue that her struggles make her more accessible and her work all the more remarkable."It shows that she wasn't a plaster-of-Paris saint who never had a doubt about God or the ultimate meaning of life," said the Rev. Richard McBrien, a University of Notre Dame theology professor and author of "Lives of the Saints." "This can only enhance her reputation as a saintly person with people who aren't easily impressed with pious stories. Those who think otherwise have a lot of learning to do about the complexities of life and about the nature of faith."
　

Ultimately what it comes down to Utah, is that Mother Teresa's struggles will demonstrate faith isn't about feeling, it's about will.

I do not question MT's faith nor do I judge her struggles in a negative manner. In fact, I commend her for being truthful, real and honest with herself and God regarding her struggles. Like I said in a previous post, we can all learn from her regarding her struggles.

Now as far as her sainthood, I have great news; all believers in Jesus Christ are saints.

 

[epostle]

I do not question MT's faith nor do I judge her struggles in a negative manner. In fact, I commend her for being truthful, real and honest with herself and God regarding her struggles. Like I said in a previous post, we can all learn from her regarding her struggles.

Now as far as her sainthood, I have great news; all believers in Jesus Christ are saints.

That's true, but not all believers live lives of extraordinary, or heroic, virtue.

 

[Hepzibah]

Hebrews 12:

5 And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons: "My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6 because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."
7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?
8 If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons.
9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!
10 Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness.
11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and PEACE for those who have been trained by it.

12 Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees.
13 "Make level paths for your feet," so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.

Peace is promised to those who have been through that period of purging known as the dark night of the soul. As a harvest. Much peace, peace which passeth understanding. Many saints witness to this including St John himself. Yet Teresa complained of a lack of peace throughout her later years. This makes God a liar.

Some people will accept what others tell them even if it contradicts scripture.

 

[epostle]

Hebrews 12:

5 And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons: "My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6 because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."
7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?
8 If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons.
9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!
10 Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness.
11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and PEACE for those who have been trained by it.

12 Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees.
13 "Make level paths for your feet," so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.

Peace is promised to those who have been through that period of purging known as the dark night of the soul. As a harvest. Much peace, peace which passeth understanding. Many saints witness to this including St John himself. Yet Teresa complained of a lack of peace throughout her later years. This makes God a liar.

Some people will accept what others tell them even if it contradicts scripture.

Sanctity cannot be fabricated, and true holiness often invites worldly ridicule, as Our Lord foretold.

 

[MikeHenderson]

How can a person declare they have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior when they Worship Mary as their god?

Mother Teresa was a "good" Catholic in that she Worshiped and followed Mary as her god.

All who pray the "Hail Mary" and the Rosary will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire for practicing Idolatry.

Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Mother Teresa committed Idolatry and will not Inherit the Kingdom of God epostle.

 

[fordman]

How can a person declare they have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior when they Worship Mary as their god?

Welp..... that eliminates us Catholics, cause we don't worship Mary as our God. If you don't beleive it, just ask me/us! Which reminds me of a quote from A.B. Fulton J. Sheen:------ "The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it, and a lie is a lie even if every everyone believes it.

Mother Teresa was a "good" Catholic in that she Worshiped and followed Mary as her god.

Really, did she tell you this personally, or did your Crystal Ball reveal to you what is in peoples hearts, dead or alive? Can you not see how doltish you make yourself look spouting such nonsence?

All who pray the "Hail Mary" and the Rosary will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire for practicing Idolatry.

Hmmmmmm.... who made you God to make such a bold statement? You are walking a very fine line here my friend.

Galatians 5:19-21

[SUP]19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,
21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

[/SUP]
[SUP]So, is this your personal interpretation of these passages? If so, can you assure me that your personal interpretations are absolute/ infallible, and without error?

Mother Teresa committed Idolatry and will not Inherit the Kingdom of God.

Mother Teresa probably served the Lord more in one lifetime than you could dream of doing in ten lifetimes! In otherwords, you wouldn't/couldn't make a pimple on her 'gluteus maximus'! When ever I come across your posts, I'm always reminded of another quote from A.B. Fulton J.Sheen.

-------"When our conscience bothers us, whether we admit it or not, we often try to justify it by correcting others, or by finding fault with them. The readiness to believe evil about others is in large part ammunition for a thousand scandals in our own hearts."

It must be very lonely for you having such hatred in your heart. I will keep you in my prayers.
　




Pax Christi

　
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[Jimbone]

So Sad. Her writing does not just reflect struggles but a disconnect with God. She did not know God. I don't know if this applies to her but from what we know it might. I hope not.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

To me, as someone who sat in church for 5 years before regeneration and a true relationship with Jesus, these are the most terrifying verses in the bible. I just praise His name He brought me into His light, and before my kids were already older and raised to be of this world be me as I was before regeneration. Not that this gets them guaranteed saved or anything like that, but at least I can raise them in truth by example through His power in me. Man I love God! I don't know if Mother Teresa was saved before death or not, but I sure do hope she was.

 

[Jimbone]

To me, as someone who sat in church for 5 years before regeneration and a true relationship with Jesus, these are the most terrifying verses in the bible. I just praise His name He brought me into His light, and before my kids were already older and raised to be of this world be me as I was before regeneration. Not that this gets them guaranteed saved or anything like that, but at least I can raise them in truth by example through His power in me. Man I love God! I don't know if Mother Teresa was saved before death or not, but I sure do hope she was.

I meant "by me" on this part "of this world be me".

 

[Vdp]

Everybody who prays the Hail Mary prayer is praying to Mary as a god which is Idolatry fordman.

Who made you God fordman to deceive others into thinking there is nothing wrong with praying the Hail Mary?

The Hail Mary is a prayer that is directed to Mary, not to God. This is why your Eternal soul is in danger of being denied entrance into the Kingdom of God fordman.

Why fordman do you hate the Word of God? What is it about the Scriptures from God that you hate them so much?

Exodus 20:3
[SUP]3 [/SUP] “You shall have no other gods before me.


Deuteronomy 5:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP] “‘You shall have no other gods before me.

Do you not know fordman that every time you pray the Hail Mary you are making Mary your god?

Praying the Hail Mary prayer is praying to Mary as a god and this is Idolatry that will keep you and all the other Catholics from Inheriting the Kingdom of God.

Is this really want you want fordman? To spend all Eternity cut off from God?

Mary is dead and in the grave fordman. Mary cannot hear you nor can she answer you. So why are you rejecting Jesus for Mary?

 

[DiscipleDave]

Not how well, but if we practice wickedness. Practicing wickedness shows that GOD is not dwelling within, for a person cannot practice sin if born of GOD. No person without GOD can be saved.

So True.

Scriptures plainly teach those who are Righteous, do that which is righteous.
Those who are wicked, do that which is wicked.

Howbeit with this generation, Many, and i say MANY claim to be righteous, all the while choosing to willing do that which is wickedness.

You are either one or the other. Righteous or wicked. Those who claim to be Righteous and do wickedness, are lukewarm they are neither Hot nor cold, but they are indeed lukewarm, and Jesus will spew them out of His mouth.

Your Master is to whom you choose to obey. If you do that which is righteous, you choose to obey Jesus. If you choose to do that which is wicked, you choose to obey satan.

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[DiscipleDave]

I once read a quote where she said something to the affect that "Jesus is my husband, I do this for Him" She felt the sick deserved to die in dignity. Sounds too like she struggled with fears and beliefs like we do, especially being in a place where there was such filth and poverty. I don't know much about the Catholic faith but what I do know would make the struggle much more difficult.

Just a side note; a comment: i have been divorced for over 9 years now and still wear my wedding band. Not because of my ex-wife, but because i tell people i am married to Jesus Christ. i too do all things for Him.

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[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by sassylady

I once read a quote where she said something to the affect that "Jesus
is my husband, I do this for Him"

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Well, if Christ really was her husband, then he sure was a failure at it. One
of Teresa's complaints was that she never experienced even a glimmer of
the Lord's presence, and because of that she referred to him as the "absent
one".

According to the Bible, husbands are supposed to love their wives. A man
who never spends any time with his wife hardly qualifies as a husband that
loves her.

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i am married to Jesus, i do not need to physically see Him, to know that He loves me. What? Do the wives of husbands that are stationed overseas have no husband because their husband is not present with them? Do they not remain married to their husband even though they are not present with them? Is it not the hope of seeing their husband again that keeps them married to them? Jesus is not physically present for me, should i divorce Him then? God forbid. It is my hope to see Him one day that i remain married to Him now. Could i, like Sister Teresa, call Him the Absent One? Sure, because He is physically absent right now, He is not here on Earth yet. So did she lie by calling Him that? No, in no way. But do people twist what she said to belittle, sure that is what make this generation the generation that it is.

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[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by RachelBibleStudent

i don't think all of the words of a chronically depressed person are grounds
for judging the fate of their soul

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According to post #49, a long-term lack of joy and peace such as Teresa's is
a symptom of someone living in accord with the flesh instead of living in
accord with the Spirit.

i cry for the lost all the time, i mourn for this generation continually. When i walk out my door and see people so cold, heartless, mean, angry, and the such, i am saddened a great deal. Even as Lot was vexed daily because of the people around him. This has been long term for me as well, does that mean i am living in the flesh, because i am sad for the lost, sad for the billions who claim to be Christian who are not Christians at all?

†.

Gal 5:22 . . But the fruit of the Spirit is joy, peace,

This is True, Whenever i think about where i am going, i have great joy. Whenever i get too sad because of the people in this generation, i think of Heaven, and joy soon follows. And as for peace, it does not matter what happens to me in this life, i do not get upset, down, depressed, or what have you, i look at it as the will of God and deal with it in a way that i think will please Him, i have peace of God that surpasses all understanding, let satan take my family from me, let him take my house, my car, my job, my health, or even my life. i KNOW where i am going, and he will never be able to take me away from living with Jesus for ever and ever, That is what brings me great Peace, no matter what satan throws my way in this pathetic life.

Is it not written if you love life, you shall lose it. Those who desire to live in Heaven, will hate being here on Earth. Those who love life will lose it. Those who hate living here and are ready to live in Heaven, will be viewed by those who live on the Earth as being depressed, down, HOMESICK. True Christians yearn for a City that is made by God and not by the hands of men, HOMESICK for it. i guess many would call me depressed also. i am so ready to go to Heaven, if suicide wasn't a sin against God, i would do it before i was done with this post. But i am still here, abiding my time, teaching things that God instructed me to teach, to a generation that He said would refuse to hear it. That in itself is depressing. i have a message from God to give, but who in this generation will listen to the message God told me? God was right, "They will not hearken to what I tell you" very sad, very depressing, i have the Truth, but who believes it? Very Sad Indeed.

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[DiscipleDave]

I love Mother Teresa for who she was, and what she did for the people. I leave the judging to God. She is a role model to all of us if you ask me. Hands that serve are more sacred than the lips that pray. Whether Catholic or not, would any of us have done what she did to those people? take a moment to think about it.

What people are doing and saying about Sister Teresa, is what Scriptures teach would happen.

Eze_3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Is this not an example happening right now in this thread? Talking about the bad things Sister Teresa has done and forgetting all the Good that she has done. Her whole life she was a reflection of Holiness, but let her get depressed ONCE in her life, and say some things during that time, and then this generation remembers those words but not the words of her during her HOLY times. Just like this generation is it not?

You have a good experience you will tell a few people
You have a bad experience you will tell everyone.

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[Mitspa]

God will judge this women...if she had real faith and love ..then God will know that...but the idea that she is a saint or that she represents Christ in some meaningful way...is just Catholic propaganda. May God have mercy on her soul...but she is nothing but another poor mislead catholic nun in my opinion.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by RachelBibleStudent

depression might also be a 'thorn' that God allows someone to live with

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Your theory annuls the fruit of the Spirit.

†. Gal 5:22 . . But the fruit of the Spirit is joy, peace

Your theory annuls Christ's wishes.

†. John 14:26-27 . . Peace I leave with you-- my peace I give to you; not as
the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it
be afraid.

†. John 15:11 . .These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in
you, and that your joy may be made full.

†. John 17:13 . . But now I come to thee; and these things I speak in the
world, that they may have my joy made full in themselves.

Your theory annuls Paul's wishes.

†. Rom 15:33 . . Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Your theory annuls Paul's teachings.

†. Gal 5:25 . . If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

†. Php 4:5-7 . .The Lord is at hand. Do not be anxious about anything, but
in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your
requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding,
will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

†. Php 4:8-9 . . Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble,
whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is
admirable-- if anything is excellent or praiseworthy --think about such
things. Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in
me-- put it into practice; and the God of peace will be with you.

Some of you people need to face the facts and stop making lame excuses
for Teresa's deplorable spiritual condition.

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So let me see if i understand what you are saying. If a person is being raped, and they are not experiencing PEACE during that time, then they are annulling what Jesus or His Apostles taught? Is that what you are saying?

If a person loses a loved one, and going through grief, and during that time they are NOT experiencing PEACE, they also are annulling what Jesus or His Apostles taught?

If a person suffers from depression (which is a PHYSICAL disease by the way, chemical imbalance) and they are depressed during that time, they are NOT experiencing PEACE, they also are annulling what Jesus or His Apostles taught?

Just because a person is going through something in their life, might be testing from God, might be reaping what they have sown, might be punishment from God, might be something that satan does, and that person is NOT experiencing PEACE at that particular time, then are you saying they are annulling what Jesus or His Apostles taught? Is that what you are implying, because it sure sounds like you are implying that in your post.

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