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I understand that God is referring to harlotry in a spiritual sense. I am not sure what point you're trying to make.
If I were to play hockey, then I would be a hockey player. If one plays the harlot, then they are a harlot. Although I do agree to the fact that one could stop being a harlot (which may be emphasized by using the phrase "playing the harlot"), they are a harlot until they cease the practice.
Everything in scripture tells us that the harlot of Babylon is referring to Jerusalem.
If I were to play hockey, then I would be a hockey player. If one plays the harlot, then they are a harlot. Although I do agree to the fact that one could stop being a harlot (which may be emphasized by using the phrase "playing the harlot"), they are a harlot until they cease the practice.
Everything in scripture tells us that the harlot of Babylon is referring to Jerusalem.
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The 144 k have the testimony of Jesus as declared in the word.
"rest of her offspring"
"first fruits"
"best for last"
"ripe fruit"
"over ripe fruit"
All about the last harvest
Harvest is 4 parts
The only traction you guys ever get is to omit 1/3 of the dimensions we have to teach and bring to the table.
Pretrib rapture is miles ahead of you guy's anemic made up stories.
We rule this topic,and it keeps getting worse for the other camps.
"rest of her offspring"
"first fruits"
"best for last"
"ripe fruit"
"over ripe fruit"
All about the last harvest
Harvest is 4 parts
The only traction you guys ever get is to omit 1/3 of the dimensions we have to teach and bring to the table.
Pretrib rapture is miles ahead of you guy's anemic made up stories.
We rule this topic,and it keeps getting worse for the other camps.
No, beg to differ. Scripture is not telling us that Mystery Babylon is Jerusalem. It is telling us that it is ISLAM and its city Mecca. All descriptions point to this.
Here are top 20 clues given for Mystery Babylon:
1.Supported by a succession of 7 (separate) World Powers throughout history
2.“Sits on”/Supported by - evil 8th Satanic Empire related to the previous 7.
3.Biggest (or oldest) False Religion on earth or both
4.Many peoples from many nations worship her
5.All nations deceived by her sorcery
6.Is also a “Great City”
7.Insults true God
8.Similar to former (original) Babylon
9.Located in a Wilderness/Desert
10.John did not seem to recognize her or her location
11.Kings of Earth fornicate (worship with) or serve her
12.Makes war with the Lamb
13.Kills Saints and Prophets
14.Beheads those who won’t convert
15.Near a busy sea (shipping) lane
16.Ships became rich from selling her “goods”
17.Merchants of the Earth weep at her demise
18.They mourn by throwing dust on their heads
19.Will be attacked and destroyed by the 8th Kingdom who carries her
20.Will be utterly burned with fire (nuked?)
Here's why she CANNOT be Jerusalem:
1.Among smallest Religion <.5%
2.Not part of a 7 kingdom succession
3.Few peoples/nations worship her
4.Not Similar to former Babylon
5.Not Located in a Wilderness/Desert
6.John did not recognize her
7.No Kings of Earth Fornicate with her
8.Doesn’t Behead People
9.Not Near a busy seaport
10.Few get rich from selling her “goods”
11.Merchants would rejoice at demise
12.Can’t be destroyed as Christ returns
to Jerusalem and reigns from there
Here are top 20 clues given for Mystery Babylon:
1.Supported by a succession of 7 (separate) World Powers throughout history
2.“Sits on”/Supported by - evil 8th Satanic Empire related to the previous 7.
3.Biggest (or oldest) False Religion on earth or both
4.Many peoples from many nations worship her
5.All nations deceived by her sorcery
6.Is also a “Great City”
7.Insults true God
8.Similar to former (original) Babylon
9.Located in a Wilderness/Desert
10.John did not seem to recognize her or her location
11.Kings of Earth fornicate (worship with) or serve her
12.Makes war with the Lamb
13.Kills Saints and Prophets
14.Beheads those who won’t convert
15.Near a busy sea (shipping) lane
16.Ships became rich from selling her “goods”
17.Merchants of the Earth weep at her demise
18.They mourn by throwing dust on their heads
19.Will be attacked and destroyed by the 8th Kingdom who carries her
20.Will be utterly burned with fire (nuked?)
Here's why she CANNOT be Jerusalem:
1.Among smallest Religion <.5%
2.Not part of a 7 kingdom succession
3.Few peoples/nations worship her
4.Not Similar to former Babylon
5.Not Located in a Wilderness/Desert
6.John did not recognize her
7.No Kings of Earth Fornicate with her
8.Doesn’t Behead People
9.Not Near a busy seaport
10.Few get rich from selling her “goods”
11.Merchants would rejoice at demise
12.Can’t be destroyed as Christ returns
to Jerusalem and reigns from there
I don't attempt to set dates. That said, I've been saying that ISIS so far fits everything we are told about the Beast of the Sea. ISIS declared it's caliphate on June 29, 2014. If the "Mouth" of ISIS (AL-Baghdadi) began on the same day then I would expect the Man of Sin, AKA the AntiChrist, to appear around November/December 2017. But for my theory to be correct, ISIS would have to uproot 3 other powers which it has yet to do.
These clues are dreamed up, which I shall prove...
In Rev.17, we are shown the "seven heads" of the 1st beast of Rev.13:1-2 represent "seven mountains" upon which the harlot sits. In conjunction with that, we are shown the "ten horns" are ten kings that rule one hour with the beast king. In Dan.2, we are shown all the previous beast kingdoms 'together' when the final beast of ten toes of part clay with part iron are struck and it all comes tumbling down. Thus Revelation and Daniel reveal the harlot will indeed be involved with those old beast kingdoms when it is established in final in our near future. One of the problems with the doctrine PlainWord is that has not yet been established on earth today, those ten kings are not manifest yet, nor is the beast king of Rev.17 that will reign from Jerusalem at the end of this world.
That is an error. The 7th beast is the one to come for the end of this world. The 8th is reserved for the time after Christ's thousand years reign, which will complete the beast king role forever. Satan himself is who that last two, the 7th and 8th beast kings is about, and is why it is Satan that was "of" the previous beasts.
This is great error. Jerusalem has fallen to the ancient religious idol worship that first began in ancient Sumer-Babylonia several times in OT history, with God trying to deal with His people in Jerusalem. What Apostle Paul called "the Jew's religion" in Galatians 1 is what he left when Christ Jesus converted Paul. It is what our Lord Jesus rebuked the deceived Jews for. The Jew's religion began from the Jew's captivity in Babylon, and they began to follow the philosophical writings of their Jewish sages instead of God's Word only. It was in that time of captivity when they developed their Babylonian Talmud which is still followed by them today mostly, which is NOT Scripture but philosophical writings, writings that include saying our Lord Jesus was a seditionist come to overthrow their government. It labels the Gentile peoples as 'goyim', which means 'cattle'.
From Bible history, we know false ones crept in among Judah, even the scribes were Kenite foreigners that existed among the Canaanite nations in early history. Old remnants of the Canaanites that were made bondservants to Israel also crept into the priesthood. That corruption setup the conditions for them to have our Lord Jesus crucified at His 1st coming.
When the Babylon Harlot of Rev.17 is established for the end, it will be the worst condition of false idol worship in Jerusalem that has ever been. Like Jesus said to those crept in unawares with Judah at Jerusalem, "I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." (John 5:43). Those will receive the beast king of Rev.17 when he appears in Jerusalem for the end. That will be the same one of Rev.13:11 forward that is to work great signs and wonders, and cause them to make an "image of the beast" idol in false worship, which is what the "abomination of desolation" our Lord Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel is about (Matt.24; Dan.11; Dan.9:27).
Rev.13:5-8 reveals the "dragon" will be given power over "all kindreds, and tongues, and nations". Thus it's hard to actually miss that fact of Revelation that the future beast kingdom for the end will be over all nations and peoples upon this earth, with its center of control at Jerusalem, because that is where that beast king is coming to sit in the temple of God, and proclaim himself as God, and over that is called God, or that is worshiped (2 Thess.2:4). The Daniel 2 Scripture reveals this also, as once again, all the previous beast kingdoms are represented as being 'together' when Christ (the "stone") smites it upon its feet of ten toes of part clay mixed with part iron. The whole is pointing to today's globalist ideal of a "one world government" (their words, not mine).
The Greek word for "sorcery" in Revelation is where our English word for pharmaceutical comes from. Sorcery is about the practice of abusing drugs to induce occultic mind altering states, (i.e., ideas like a witch's brew). All nations have this problem of drug abuse pushed upon them by the various unseen drug cultures.
The new Jerusalem is labeled the "great city" in Rev.21:10, and the "great city" of Rev.11:8 is pointing DIRECTLY to Jerusalem in false worship state for the end (within the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe period).
This is shown in both Daniel 11 about the "vile person" who places the abomination that maketh desolate (an idol) in Jerusalem, and also in Rev.13 about the dragon who blasphemes God and those in Heaven. The Book of Daniel and our Lord Jesus in Matt.24 showed that "abomination of desolation" event is done by the same one who blasphemes God in Jerusalem at the end.
It is to represent the falseness of Babylon with pointing to Jerusalem when the pseudo-Christ arrives there. It is not about those events happening in geographical Babylon, but in a place that becomes SPIRITUAL Babylon. And that is what Revelation and Daniel and our Lord Jesus' Olivet Discourse is pointing to for Jerusalem at the end of this world prior to His 2nd coming. We are given a direct clue as to that fallen spiritual state for Jerusalem in the Rev.11:8 verse when The LORD used Sodom and Egypt to SPIRITUALLY point to where our Lord Jesus was crucified, which was Jerusalem.
Obvious error. In no.15, PlainWord says it's located near a busy sea lane. Can't have it both ways, which that shows he only got these points from someone else trying to point away from Jerusalem about the end.
There's quite a few Bible prophecies Christ's Apostles still wondered about that didn't come to pass in their days, which were reserved only for the generation that will see the end, i.e., our generation. So that no.10 statement proves nothing against Jerusalem being the "great city" Babylon harlot for the end.
And they are prophesied to do so, as the Rev.17 Scripture about the ten kings who rule "one hour" with the beast king does show, they give their power to the beast as written.
Big error there. Judaism has certainly NEVER been allied with Christianity, but completely against it. Orthodox Judaism has been against Christianity since the days of the early disciples of Christ. Even Apostle Paul before Jesus converted him had a letter of authority from the Jews in Jerusalem to hunt down Christians, and bring them in chains to Jerusalem to be tried and executed. Once they discovered Paul himself had converted to Christ, they sought to murder him!
Jesus showed who's head all the blood of the prophets would be upon in the Matt.23 chapter, speaking that directly to the false Jews of the foreigner scribes and Pharisees (see John 8 also). Thus, that is about Jerusalem, not Rome, not New York, nor any other area Rev.18 was pointing to.
God's Word does not define Islam as the only one who does beheading. In the nation of France, some are wanting go back to use of the guillotine for terrorists. 1939 was the last time France used it.
France Announces it Will Use Guillotine on Terrorists - The Mideast Beast
Error in attempting to make a symbolic metaphor about world commerce represent a literal sea port. Geographical Babylon is not near a sea port either. The idea Rev.18 is showing symbols of great world commerce with the idea of ships. It is a similar comparison to the rock island of Tyrus which was a literal sea port of great world commerce in its time. It represented the pagan trafficking of goods and slaves among the nations of that time. This is why the "merchants of the earth" are shown weeping for her in Rev.18. In Rev.18:13, "the souls of men" are included in her trade. And truly, when the "one world government" fully is manifest for the end, it will be a great system of world commerce for all nations, controlled from Jerusalem by the Antichrist.
All three of those are relative to the same subject of no.15 above, nothing new but just more fodder they've tried to create for their cause.
No Biblical connection to any 8th kingdom at all written. Per Dan.2, the final beast kingdom of the feet of ten toes will support all the previous beast kingdoms of history, and all will fall together when Jesus comes to smite it upon its feet (Dan.2:35).
God's consuming fire is what is set to destroy man's works off this earth on "the day of the Lord". That was Peter's subject in 2 Pet.3:10, and the "sudden destruction" Paul mentioned in 1 Thess.5 in conjunction with the "day of the Lord" timing. It appears those PlainWord follows is not familiar with that part of God's Word about the "day of the Lord" events.
In Rev.17, we are shown the "seven heads" of the 1st beast of Rev.13:1-2 represent "seven mountains" upon which the harlot sits. In conjunction with that, we are shown the "ten horns" are ten kings that rule one hour with the beast king. In Dan.2, we are shown all the previous beast kingdoms 'together' when the final beast of ten toes of part clay with part iron are struck and it all comes tumbling down. Thus Revelation and Daniel reveal the harlot will indeed be involved with those old beast kingdoms when it is established in final in our near future. One of the problems with the doctrine PlainWord is that has not yet been established on earth today, those ten kings are not manifest yet, nor is the beast king of Rev.17 that will reign from Jerusalem at the end of this world.
That is an error. The 7th beast is the one to come for the end of this world. The 8th is reserved for the time after Christ's thousand years reign, which will complete the beast king role forever. Satan himself is who that last two, the 7th and 8th beast kings is about, and is why it is Satan that was "of" the previous beasts.
This is great error. Jerusalem has fallen to the ancient religious idol worship that first began in ancient Sumer-Babylonia several times in OT history, with God trying to deal with His people in Jerusalem. What Apostle Paul called "the Jew's religion" in Galatians 1 is what he left when Christ Jesus converted Paul. It is what our Lord Jesus rebuked the deceived Jews for. The Jew's religion began from the Jew's captivity in Babylon, and they began to follow the philosophical writings of their Jewish sages instead of God's Word only. It was in that time of captivity when they developed their Babylonian Talmud which is still followed by them today mostly, which is NOT Scripture but philosophical writings, writings that include saying our Lord Jesus was a seditionist come to overthrow their government. It labels the Gentile peoples as 'goyim', which means 'cattle'.
From Bible history, we know false ones crept in among Judah, even the scribes were Kenite foreigners that existed among the Canaanite nations in early history. Old remnants of the Canaanites that were made bondservants to Israel also crept into the priesthood. That corruption setup the conditions for them to have our Lord Jesus crucified at His 1st coming.
When the Babylon Harlot of Rev.17 is established for the end, it will be the worst condition of false idol worship in Jerusalem that has ever been. Like Jesus said to those crept in unawares with Judah at Jerusalem, "I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." (John 5:43). Those will receive the beast king of Rev.17 when he appears in Jerusalem for the end. That will be the same one of Rev.13:11 forward that is to work great signs and wonders, and cause them to make an "image of the beast" idol in false worship, which is what the "abomination of desolation" our Lord Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel is about (Matt.24; Dan.11; Dan.9:27).
Rev.13:5-8 reveals the "dragon" will be given power over "all kindreds, and tongues, and nations". Thus it's hard to actually miss that fact of Revelation that the future beast kingdom for the end will be over all nations and peoples upon this earth, with its center of control at Jerusalem, because that is where that beast king is coming to sit in the temple of God, and proclaim himself as God, and over that is called God, or that is worshiped (2 Thess.2:4). The Daniel 2 Scripture reveals this also, as once again, all the previous beast kingdoms are represented as being 'together' when Christ (the "stone") smites it upon its feet of ten toes of part clay mixed with part iron. The whole is pointing to today's globalist ideal of a "one world government" (their words, not mine).
The Greek word for "sorcery" in Revelation is where our English word for pharmaceutical comes from. Sorcery is about the practice of abusing drugs to induce occultic mind altering states, (i.e., ideas like a witch's brew). All nations have this problem of drug abuse pushed upon them by the various unseen drug cultures.
The new Jerusalem is labeled the "great city" in Rev.21:10, and the "great city" of Rev.11:8 is pointing DIRECTLY to Jerusalem in false worship state for the end (within the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe period).
This is shown in both Daniel 11 about the "vile person" who places the abomination that maketh desolate (an idol) in Jerusalem, and also in Rev.13 about the dragon who blasphemes God and those in Heaven. The Book of Daniel and our Lord Jesus in Matt.24 showed that "abomination of desolation" event is done by the same one who blasphemes God in Jerusalem at the end.
It is to represent the falseness of Babylon with pointing to Jerusalem when the pseudo-Christ arrives there. It is not about those events happening in geographical Babylon, but in a place that becomes SPIRITUAL Babylon. And that is what Revelation and Daniel and our Lord Jesus' Olivet Discourse is pointing to for Jerusalem at the end of this world prior to His 2nd coming. We are given a direct clue as to that fallen spiritual state for Jerusalem in the Rev.11:8 verse when The LORD used Sodom and Egypt to SPIRITUALLY point to where our Lord Jesus was crucified, which was Jerusalem.
Obvious error. In no.15, PlainWord says it's located near a busy sea lane. Can't have it both ways, which that shows he only got these points from someone else trying to point away from Jerusalem about the end.
There's quite a few Bible prophecies Christ's Apostles still wondered about that didn't come to pass in their days, which were reserved only for the generation that will see the end, i.e., our generation. So that no.10 statement proves nothing against Jerusalem being the "great city" Babylon harlot for the end.
And they are prophesied to do so, as the Rev.17 Scripture about the ten kings who rule "one hour" with the beast king does show, they give their power to the beast as written.
Big error there. Judaism has certainly NEVER been allied with Christianity, but completely against it. Orthodox Judaism has been against Christianity since the days of the early disciples of Christ. Even Apostle Paul before Jesus converted him had a letter of authority from the Jews in Jerusalem to hunt down Christians, and bring them in chains to Jerusalem to be tried and executed. Once they discovered Paul himself had converted to Christ, they sought to murder him!
Jesus showed who's head all the blood of the prophets would be upon in the Matt.23 chapter, speaking that directly to the false Jews of the foreigner scribes and Pharisees (see John 8 also). Thus, that is about Jerusalem, not Rome, not New York, nor any other area Rev.18 was pointing to.
God's Word does not define Islam as the only one who does beheading. In the nation of France, some are wanting go back to use of the guillotine for terrorists. 1939 was the last time France used it.
France Announces it Will Use Guillotine on Terrorists - The Mideast Beast
Error in attempting to make a symbolic metaphor about world commerce represent a literal sea port. Geographical Babylon is not near a sea port either. The idea Rev.18 is showing symbols of great world commerce with the idea of ships. It is a similar comparison to the rock island of Tyrus which was a literal sea port of great world commerce in its time. It represented the pagan trafficking of goods and slaves among the nations of that time. This is why the "merchants of the earth" are shown weeping for her in Rev.18. In Rev.18:13, "the souls of men" are included in her trade. And truly, when the "one world government" fully is manifest for the end, it will be a great system of world commerce for all nations, controlled from Jerusalem by the Antichrist.
All three of those are relative to the same subject of no.15 above, nothing new but just more fodder they've tried to create for their cause.
No Biblical connection to any 8th kingdom at all written. Per Dan.2, the final beast kingdom of the feet of ten toes will support all the previous beast kingdoms of history, and all will fall together when Jesus comes to smite it upon its feet (Dan.2:35).
God's consuming fire is what is set to destroy man's works off this earth on "the day of the Lord". That was Peter's subject in 2 Pet.3:10, and the "sudden destruction" Paul mentioned in 1 Thess.5 in conjunction with the "day of the Lord" timing. It appears those PlainWord follows is not familiar with that part of God's Word about the "day of the Lord" events.
Hey Popeye,
I was able to watch the video. Thanks for posting this. It was good. Nothing really earth-shatteringly new, but a good watch. He makes a couple of little mistakes however on this passage:
Ezekiel 38:13
Sheba, Dedan, the merchants of Tarshish, and all their young lions will say to you, ‘Have you come to take plunder? Have you gathered your army to take booty, to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to take great plunder?’”’
He thinks this implies that the Magog armies only come against Israel and that Sheba, Dedan (Saudi Arabia) are merely watching. They aren't just watching, they are under attack. He fails to connect this passage with Dan 11 which makes clear the war is between the North and South Muslim nations. The King of the North at some point invades Israel too. He only sees the Invasion of Israel when really it is a huge Muslim war that Israel finds herself right in the middle of.
He does a good job of bringing in Russia (Rosh) as the supplier of the nuclear missiles to Iran. Iran will play a big part in this as they hate the Saudis.
I was able to watch the video. Thanks for posting this. It was good. Nothing really earth-shatteringly new, but a good watch. He makes a couple of little mistakes however on this passage:
Ezekiel 38:13
Sheba, Dedan, the merchants of Tarshish, and all their young lions will say to you, ‘Have you come to take plunder? Have you gathered your army to take booty, to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to take great plunder?’”’
He thinks this implies that the Magog armies only come against Israel and that Sheba, Dedan (Saudi Arabia) are merely watching. They aren't just watching, they are under attack. He fails to connect this passage with Dan 11 which makes clear the war is between the North and South Muslim nations. The King of the North at some point invades Israel too. He only sees the Invasion of Israel when really it is a huge Muslim war that Israel finds herself right in the middle of.
He does a good job of bringing in Russia (Rosh) as the supplier of the nuclear missiles to Iran. Iran will play a big part in this as they hate the Saudis.
DP,
Thanks for your rebuttal post #671. Rather than addressing each argument, let me just blow your entire premise about Mystery Babylon out of the water this way.
Jer 51: [SUP]35 [/SUP]Let the violence done to me and my flesh be upon Babylon,”The inhabitant of Zion will say...
Why would the inhabitant of Zion (Israel) be calling for destruction upon Jerusalem?
“...And my blood be upon the inhabitants of Chaldea!” Jerusalem will say.
How can Jerusalem be asking for its own destruction? Where do the inhabitants of Chaldea live?
Now I want to show you passages that make clear Babylon will be utterly destroyed with no one left living there.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Babylon shall become a heap, A dwelling place for jackals, An astonishment and a hissing, Without an inhabitant. [SUP]43 [/SUP]Her cities are a desolation, A dry land and a wilderness,A land where no one dwells, Through which no son of man passes...For the plunderers shall come to her from the north,” says the Lord. [SUP]49 [/SUP]As Babylon has caused the slain of Israel to fall, So at Babylon the slain of all the earth shall fall...[SUP]54 [/SUP]The sound of a cry comes from Babylon, And great destruction from the land of the Chaldeans, [SUP]55 [/SUP]Because the Lord is plundering Babylon... [SUP]62 [/SUP]then you shall say, ‘O Lord, You have spoken against this place to cut it off, so that none shall remain in it, neither man nor beast, but it shall be desolate forever.’
Rev 18:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore.
Since Babylon is thrown down and found no more, and will have no inhabitant, and if Babylon is Jerusalem, how can people still be in Jerusalem before, during and after the Lord returns?
Zech 13: [SUP]8 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in all the land,” Says the Lord, “That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die, But one–third shall be left in it:
Zech 14: Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the Lord to be standing on the Mt. of Olives and for people to flee through the mountain pass, Jerusalem is clearly inhabited when the Lord returns which is after Babylon is utterly burned and destroyed. Better re-thing your position dear friend.
Thanks for your rebuttal post #671. Rather than addressing each argument, let me just blow your entire premise about Mystery Babylon out of the water this way.
Jer 51: [SUP]35 [/SUP]Let the violence done to me and my flesh be upon Babylon,”The inhabitant of Zion will say...
Why would the inhabitant of Zion (Israel) be calling for destruction upon Jerusalem?
“...And my blood be upon the inhabitants of Chaldea!” Jerusalem will say.
How can Jerusalem be asking for its own destruction? Where do the inhabitants of Chaldea live?
Now I want to show you passages that make clear Babylon will be utterly destroyed with no one left living there.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Babylon shall become a heap, A dwelling place for jackals, An astonishment and a hissing, Without an inhabitant. [SUP]43 [/SUP]Her cities are a desolation, A dry land and a wilderness,A land where no one dwells, Through which no son of man passes...For the plunderers shall come to her from the north,” says the Lord. [SUP]49 [/SUP]As Babylon has caused the slain of Israel to fall, So at Babylon the slain of all the earth shall fall...[SUP]54 [/SUP]The sound of a cry comes from Babylon, And great destruction from the land of the Chaldeans, [SUP]55 [/SUP]Because the Lord is plundering Babylon... [SUP]62 [/SUP]then you shall say, ‘O Lord, You have spoken against this place to cut it off, so that none shall remain in it, neither man nor beast, but it shall be desolate forever.’
Rev 18:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore.
Since Babylon is thrown down and found no more, and will have no inhabitant, and if Babylon is Jerusalem, how can people still be in Jerusalem before, during and after the Lord returns?
Zech 13: [SUP]8 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in all the land,” Says the Lord, “That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die, But one–third shall be left in it:
Zech 14: Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the Lord to be standing on the Mt. of Olives and for people to flee through the mountain pass, Jerusalem is clearly inhabited when the Lord returns which is after Babylon is utterly burned and destroyed. Better re-thing your position dear friend.
How is it you're not paying attention to the subject of those Jer.51 verses, and most of that chapter for that matter?
Those in Jerusalem are NOT calling for a destruction upon themselves. Those verses are about God pronouncing His judgment upon Babylon, and Jerusalem declaring that for Babylon also:
Jer 51:33-37
33 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; The daughter of Babylon is like a threshingfloor, it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, and the time of her harvest shall come.
34 Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon hath devoured me, he hath crushed me, he hath made me an empty vessel, he hath swallowed me up like a dragon, he hath filled his belly with my delicates, he hath cast me out.
35 The violence done to me and to my flesh be upon Babylon, shall the inhabitant of Zion say; and my blood upon the inhabitants of Chaldea, shall Jerusalem say.
36 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will plead thy cause, and take vengeance for thee; and I will dry up her sea, and make her springs dry.
37 And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwellingplace for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant.
KJV
And so??? what's your point?
God's pronounced judgment upon geographical kingdom of Babylon came to pass in history, this we already know.
Notice I said the 'geographical kingdom of Babylon'. Spiritual Babylon is a different matter, which is what the Babylon Harlot of Revelation is about involving Jerusalem for the end.
You do realize that Zech.13 chapter 1/3 is speaking about God's elect don't you?
Look at these verse carefully:
Rev 9:18-21
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
KJV
A third part are killed by what comes out of the mouths of the locust army. But that event is about spiritual killing, not literal killing, because what comes out of their MOUTHS represents lies of deception, because that is 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing, i.e, tribulation timing. For the deceived, that time is to be a time of "Peace and safety" remember? (1 Thess.5). That's the time of the very end just prior to Christs 2nd coming where Jesus showed in Matt.24 the opposite time of wars and rumors of wars. At the start of that Rev.9 chapter we are even shown the locusts are not allowed to hurt any green thing, and not kill those who don't have God's seal.
So the first thing required to properly understand those Rev.9 passages is to understand what the locusts can and cannot do from the beginning of that chapter, and then understand what timing it is (6th trumpet - 2nd woe), and then NOT listen to all the Hal Lindsay type hype that the tribulation is going to be all out war and chaos. It's going to be a time of world peace, though a fake peace.
After that 1/3, the rest of men not killed (spiritually) by those plagues do what? They refuse to repent.
But what about Christ's saints on earth during that, those back at Rev.9:4 that are inferred which are sealed with God's seal? There's your 1/3 of Zech.13, i.e, God elect. Thus the whole matter is about SPIRITUAL DEATH TO ONE'S SOUL. That is what the great tribulation is actually going to be about. What comes out of the MOUTH of that locust army is where their power is, and it is WORDS that come out of the mouth, not tanks and missiles. We were also shown this in Rev.12 by the flood of waters that come out of the serpent's mouth when the dragon goes after God's elect and Christ's Church once cast out of Heaven to this earth in the last days.
You haven't proven your theory, because your theory for the end is based on LITERALISM of Scripture that is instead about spiritual matters. Like that locust army of Rev.9 for example. It's not about a literal military army of soldiers coming to destroy literally like many preachers wrongly interpret. Neither is the Babylon Harlot message in Revelation about the geographical city of Babylon, but God is USING old Babylon as a TYPE for the end upon Jerusalem. Don't you know what He means by doing that?
It means, STUDY the old history of Babylon, especially in relation to the history of His people at Jerusalem, and use that as a BLUEPRINT for the end time at Jerusalem during the tribulation.
For example, during Daniel's captivity in Babylon, his being delivered up to the king of Babylon came after 3 years, and after Nebuchadnezzar had setup a golden idol commanding all to bow in false worship to it, or be killed. Per Dan.9:27, the false one is to setup an idol abomination after the first 3.5 years of Daniel's symbolic final "one week". In Rev.13 we are shown the same kind of idol setup with the "image of the beast", all commanded to worship it or be killed. In Dan.3 with the example of Shadrach, Meshech, and Abednigo, being cast into the hot fiery furnace heated 7 TIMES hotter than necessary, with a Fourth Man likened unto The Son of God seen in there with them, and their coming out untouched, that represents the "day of the Lord" event of God's consuming fire burning man's works and wickedness off this earth on that last day of this world, which is the day of Christ's 2nd coming. God's consuming fire will NOT touch His elect while they are right in the midst of it. Did you not see that consuming fire event written in Zech.14 also, which is called a plague there?
Those in Jerusalem are NOT calling for a destruction upon themselves. Those verses are about God pronouncing His judgment upon Babylon, and Jerusalem declaring that for Babylon also:
Jer 51:33-37
33 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; The daughter of Babylon is like a threshingfloor, it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, and the time of her harvest shall come.
34 Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon hath devoured me, he hath crushed me, he hath made me an empty vessel, he hath swallowed me up like a dragon, he hath filled his belly with my delicates, he hath cast me out.
35 The violence done to me and to my flesh be upon Babylon, shall the inhabitant of Zion say; and my blood upon the inhabitants of Chaldea, shall Jerusalem say.
36 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will plead thy cause, and take vengeance for thee; and I will dry up her sea, and make her springs dry.
37 And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwellingplace for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant.
KJV
And so??? what's your point?
God's pronounced judgment upon geographical kingdom of Babylon came to pass in history, this we already know.
Notice I said the 'geographical kingdom of Babylon'. Spiritual Babylon is a different matter, which is what the Babylon Harlot of Revelation is about involving Jerusalem for the end.
You do realize that Zech.13 chapter 1/3 is speaking about God's elect don't you?
Look at these verse carefully:
Rev 9:18-21
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
KJV
A third part are killed by what comes out of the mouths of the locust army. But that event is about spiritual killing, not literal killing, because what comes out of their MOUTHS represents lies of deception, because that is 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing, i.e, tribulation timing. For the deceived, that time is to be a time of "Peace and safety" remember? (1 Thess.5). That's the time of the very end just prior to Christs 2nd coming where Jesus showed in Matt.24 the opposite time of wars and rumors of wars. At the start of that Rev.9 chapter we are even shown the locusts are not allowed to hurt any green thing, and not kill those who don't have God's seal.
So the first thing required to properly understand those Rev.9 passages is to understand what the locusts can and cannot do from the beginning of that chapter, and then understand what timing it is (6th trumpet - 2nd woe), and then NOT listen to all the Hal Lindsay type hype that the tribulation is going to be all out war and chaos. It's going to be a time of world peace, though a fake peace.
After that 1/3, the rest of men not killed (spiritually) by those plagues do what? They refuse to repent.
But what about Christ's saints on earth during that, those back at Rev.9:4 that are inferred which are sealed with God's seal? There's your 1/3 of Zech.13, i.e, God elect. Thus the whole matter is about SPIRITUAL DEATH TO ONE'S SOUL. That is what the great tribulation is actually going to be about. What comes out of the MOUTH of that locust army is where their power is, and it is WORDS that come out of the mouth, not tanks and missiles. We were also shown this in Rev.12 by the flood of waters that come out of the serpent's mouth when the dragon goes after God's elect and Christ's Church once cast out of Heaven to this earth in the last days.
You haven't proven your theory, because your theory for the end is based on LITERALISM of Scripture that is instead about spiritual matters. Like that locust army of Rev.9 for example. It's not about a literal military army of soldiers coming to destroy literally like many preachers wrongly interpret. Neither is the Babylon Harlot message in Revelation about the geographical city of Babylon, but God is USING old Babylon as a TYPE for the end upon Jerusalem. Don't you know what He means by doing that?
It means, STUDY the old history of Babylon, especially in relation to the history of His people at Jerusalem, and use that as a BLUEPRINT for the end time at Jerusalem during the tribulation.
For example, during Daniel's captivity in Babylon, his being delivered up to the king of Babylon came after 3 years, and after Nebuchadnezzar had setup a golden idol commanding all to bow in false worship to it, or be killed. Per Dan.9:27, the false one is to setup an idol abomination after the first 3.5 years of Daniel's symbolic final "one week". In Rev.13 we are shown the same kind of idol setup with the "image of the beast", all commanded to worship it or be killed. In Dan.3 with the example of Shadrach, Meshech, and Abednigo, being cast into the hot fiery furnace heated 7 TIMES hotter than necessary, with a Fourth Man likened unto The Son of God seen in there with them, and their coming out untouched, that represents the "day of the Lord" event of God's consuming fire burning man's works and wickedness off this earth on that last day of this world, which is the day of Christ's 2nd coming. God's consuming fire will NOT touch His elect while they are right in the midst of it. Did you not see that consuming fire event written in Zech.14 also, which is called a plague there?
Don't be deceived by the events stacking up around Israel today in the middle east. It is NOT YET time for the Gog/Magog event of the armies out of the northern quarters that will come upon Israel on the last day of this world (Ezek.38-39).
If you recall Satan quoting Scripture from the Psalms to our Lord Jesus in Luke 4, then you should realize he well knows Scripture. And so do his servants upon this earth. They know how the end time events are supposed to happen, because these I speak of represent Satan's elect here on earth and are not deceived.
Our Lord Jesus and His Apostles and prophets warned us about the coming of a pseudo-Christ to Jerusalem to play God, and with the power to work great signs and miracles that will fool everyone on earth except those sealed with God's seal. We have been shown that is to be a time of world peace (i.e, the "Peace and safety" Apostle Paul mentioned in 1 Thess.5). Also, our Lord Jesus told us we would hear of wars and rumors of wars, but those things must needs be, but the end is not yet. That means the very end is to be a time of peace, all wars having ended. That's how the tribulation period is going to be, a time of peace.
So these events of Islam preparing for war today that you're seeing, and thinking that's the Gog/Magog event, well... that is NOT IT. The reason is because the coming pseudo-Christ/Antichrist to Jerusalem to setup a mimic of Christ's Kingdom over all nations at Jerusalem MUST occur first. What you're seeing is a mimic of the Gog/Magog events, not the real thing. As I said, Satan well knows Scripture too, as do his elect servants on earth. They know they have to prepare the world for their coming false messiah to Jerusalem, and that's what they're trying to get ready to do today.
When Apostle Paul said the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety" for the end, what did he mean by their saying "safety" with that peace? Why would they be proclaiming a time of safety also? What events would have to have happened just prior to that time of their declaring "Peace and safety"? It reveals a time of war just prior to the start of the great tribulation, for the trib time is when the deceived will be declaring that "Peace and safety", with the next main event to occur being the "sudden destruction" Paul said after that, which is the time of The Lord's coming and God's consuming fire on "the day of the Lord" coming upon them "as a thief in the night."
So what we're seeing today in the middle east, which looks like WWIII getting ready to start, is in prep for the coming time of "great tribulation". It is NOT the end yet. When all wars have stopped, and the world begins declaring "Peace and safety" like Apostle Paul said, then... it's time to really pay attention because the pseudo-Christ will be put in place in Jerusalem for that latter time, and all the world will be commanded to bow in false worship to him.
If you recall Satan quoting Scripture from the Psalms to our Lord Jesus in Luke 4, then you should realize he well knows Scripture. And so do his servants upon this earth. They know how the end time events are supposed to happen, because these I speak of represent Satan's elect here on earth and are not deceived.
Our Lord Jesus and His Apostles and prophets warned us about the coming of a pseudo-Christ to Jerusalem to play God, and with the power to work great signs and miracles that will fool everyone on earth except those sealed with God's seal. We have been shown that is to be a time of world peace (i.e, the "Peace and safety" Apostle Paul mentioned in 1 Thess.5). Also, our Lord Jesus told us we would hear of wars and rumors of wars, but those things must needs be, but the end is not yet. That means the very end is to be a time of peace, all wars having ended. That's how the tribulation period is going to be, a time of peace.
So these events of Islam preparing for war today that you're seeing, and thinking that's the Gog/Magog event, well... that is NOT IT. The reason is because the coming pseudo-Christ/Antichrist to Jerusalem to setup a mimic of Christ's Kingdom over all nations at Jerusalem MUST occur first. What you're seeing is a mimic of the Gog/Magog events, not the real thing. As I said, Satan well knows Scripture too, as do his elect servants on earth. They know they have to prepare the world for their coming false messiah to Jerusalem, and that's what they're trying to get ready to do today.
When Apostle Paul said the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety" for the end, what did he mean by their saying "safety" with that peace? Why would they be proclaiming a time of safety also? What events would have to have happened just prior to that time of their declaring "Peace and safety"? It reveals a time of war just prior to the start of the great tribulation, for the trib time is when the deceived will be declaring that "Peace and safety", with the next main event to occur being the "sudden destruction" Paul said after that, which is the time of The Lord's coming and God's consuming fire on "the day of the Lord" coming upon them "as a thief in the night."
So what we're seeing today in the middle east, which looks like WWIII getting ready to start, is in prep for the coming time of "great tribulation". It is NOT the end yet. When all wars have stopped, and the world begins declaring "Peace and safety" like Apostle Paul said, then... it's time to really pay attention because the pseudo-Christ will be put in place in Jerusalem for that latter time, and all the world will be commanded to bow in false worship to him.
The church is not a building. If you have received Christ in your heart, been born from above, you are the church.
Many attend services at a church building that are not Christians. It's actually easier to live the 'Christian life' outside the sacred halls, so called, of institutional church. If you are in the organized church, you'll fall prey to those that will make merchandise of you by the tithing lie and the Nicolaitan lie, the cleric/laity lie.
Stick with His word and His unction of the Spirit within.
Having said all that, the rapture is near. When that 'man of sin is revealed' and the church continues into apostasy, falling away, know that your redemption draws near.
Exciting times. Praise His matchless Name!
Many attend services at a church building that are not Christians. It's actually easier to live the 'Christian life' outside the sacred halls, so called, of institutional church. If you are in the organized church, you'll fall prey to those that will make merchandise of you by the tithing lie and the Nicolaitan lie, the cleric/laity lie.
Stick with His word and His unction of the Spirit within.
Having said all that, the rapture is near. When that 'man of sin is revealed' and the church continues into apostasy, falling away, know that your redemption draws near.
Exciting times. Praise His matchless Name!
You are misinterpreting the players - who the Bible is speaking of. You are also getting the events out-of-order.
We will have a continuing of purging of all not worshiping/serving the Beast in the Middle East
Then the Man of Sin will appear. He will be Muslim and will unite the Muslims.
We then have the A of D set up.
Those in Judea who wish to live will flee.
The Great Tribulation is aimed at Israel. It is AKA Jacob's Trouble.
The Gog/Magog war will begin
Those whom the Lord will come upon as a Thief are the objects of His wrath. After the Muslims obliterate everyone in their 1/4 of the world who will not convert to Islam, they will think that they are at peace. They are the deceived.
Wars and Rumors of wars have been happening since WWI and I'd argue even before that. The Gospel has been preached to all the world already.
We will have a continuing of purging of all not worshiping/serving the Beast in the Middle East
Then the Man of Sin will appear. He will be Muslim and will unite the Muslims.
We then have the A of D set up.
Those in Judea who wish to live will flee.
The Great Tribulation is aimed at Israel. It is AKA Jacob's Trouble.
The Gog/Magog war will begin
Those whom the Lord will come upon as a Thief are the objects of His wrath. After the Muslims obliterate everyone in their 1/4 of the world who will not convert to Islam, they will think that they are at peace. They are the deceived.
Wars and Rumors of wars have been happening since WWI and I'd argue even before that. The Gospel has been preached to all the world already.
The coming Antichrist is not going to be a Muslim. The orthodox Jews would never... accept a Muslim as their prophesied Messiah. For the "strong delusion" of 2 Thess.2 to work upon deceived Jews, the Antichrist will proclaim to be of Israel, of the house of David, as per the Bible prophecy about Christ. This is why our Lord Jesus said that coming pseudo-Christ would IF possible, deceive even His very elect; His elect know Christ must be a Son of David. Only those behind setting that pseudo-Christ up as king in Jerusalem, and Christ's elect, will know who that false one truly is, the rest will be deceived.
The tribulation coming is aimed at the whole earth, not just the state of Israel. You're just not seeing the real players.
Russia has been funding radical Islam all along, and is still doing it. Russia is the real player behind radical Islam. That is what Ezekiel 38 reveals also. Never think the leadership of Russia is on our side, they are not, regardless of how the pc media portrays them.
The tribulation coming is aimed at the whole earth, not just the state of Israel. You're just not seeing the real players.
Russia has been funding radical Islam all along, and is still doing it. Russia is the real player behind radical Islam. That is what Ezekiel 38 reveals also. Never think the leadership of Russia is on our side, they are not, regardless of how the pc media portrays them.