still think 9 11 was a conspiracy?

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

...not...!

 

[Dude653]

why does everyone think that the government needs the consent of the populace to go to war? the president makes the call and we go to war. our approval or disapproval doesn't matter

 

[blue_ladybug]

Just like our electoral votes don't count.. Ultimately, it's the GOVERNMENT who decides who THEY want in office. OUR votes don't mean diddly squat.. jmo

 

[blue_ladybug]

So true;

It is the "voter registration certificate" you need be a "Citizen" first. When you become of age you then need to register as to vote an American Citizen. One way is to be born in America.

I WAS born in America..

 

[Sinnerman]

Thanks. Calmador. I read the rules of this forums posting and I like what the moderator asked us to call conspiracy theory. Conspiracy research! It's different. I myself have never been a conspiracy researcher or theorist. I do not know what happened that day exactly I only know the facts that can be found and the ones that have been given out. Everything I wrote in my schpeal is information that can be considered fact and no one would deny any of it I don't think.
As for politicians I tend to agree with you. The world has many more people who love their fellow man and want to do as much good as they could not for their own personal gain but because it fills man's heart to do good. Do I think the do gooders are always put in the best positions of highest political influence? Not a chance. But sometimes they are. Let's pray that more of them can be placed where they need to be.

Thanks again

John

It would cost a lot of money. But we could use the money the owner of the buildings received after taking the insurance company to court to say that since it was attacked twice he should get double the policies return on incase of terrorist attack. Which policy he took out a few weeks or months before it happened making an insane profit off a horrible tradegy so the money should be used for something other than mere profit.

It's ashame really though, the technology we have now and had in 2001 could stop a nuclear bomb from hitting the US. Surely it could take down planes. And I understand l, I don't think I could push the button knowing American lives were on board the planes.

Even more ashame that if we werent conducting war time exercises at that exact time we may have been able to scramble some jets to see what could be done.

Even more terrible, if we werent conducting wartime exercises that involved a senario about planes hiting key US locations at the same time it actually occurred..... Maybe something could have gone different that day

It's been over 14 years since the 9/11 attack. You've had time to read crazy conspiracy theories and you've had time to discover they are all false. Instead, you've chosen to embrace them. What even more disturbing is that you describe the nonsense you type as fact that no one would deny.

I'm calling you out. Here is what you need to do, and what you cannot do. Provide evidence. Notice how easy it is to type something here? Well, you need to provide links to where evidence can be found to prove your rather preposterous claims.

First, tell us who owned the buildings. Then tell us where you heard about him / them buying (terrorist)insurance only weeks before the attack.

Next, tell us where you heard about these alleged war time exercises being conducted on 9/11 involving scenarios where planes were used to attack multiple locations at the same time.

I say it's all made up and you cannot find any evidence of it. Further, you probably won't even try. What you'll do is tell us the name of some conspiracy web site that also posts up these crazy theories and never proves any of them or provides evidence. They just say the buildings collapsed in a way that is similar to a demolition. That makes them idiots. When the weight of the upper floors is too much for the compromised damaged floors to support, the upper portion will pancake down. The momentum of the falling floors will then collapse the next floor and then the next floor. The compressing of the floors, displaces the volume of air space and sends clouds of dust out that conspiracy nuts said was explosive charges that were secretly installed during the months before. Crazy talk. It just happened that Arab terrorists flew planes into those precise buildings at the same time a series of demolition charges were set off by the U.S. government? Or maybe Israeli Jews who were warned not to go to work that day? Just crazy talk. Lots of Jews were killed in both tower collapses.

Here's what is more likely. You will offer no evidence and instead you will move on to another web site and tell more tall tales to people there and see if one or two dolts will fall victim to your grade school conspiracy theories. If not, or if you get called out and asked to provide any evidence, you'll move on again. Don't you think wasting the last 14 years of your life is enough? Surely there is something you could be doing with your life rather than dwelling on obviously made up stories that make no sense.

 

[Jimbone]

It's been over 14 years since the 9/11 attack. You've had time to read crazy conspiracy theories and you've had time to discover they are all false. Instead, you've chosen to embrace them. What even more disturbing is that you describe the nonsense you type as fact that no one would deny.

I'm calling you out. Here is what you need to do, and what you cannot do. Provide evidence. Notice how easy it is to type something here? Well, you need to provide links to where evidence can be found to prove your rather preposterous claims.

First, tell us who owned the buildings. Then tell us where you heard about him / them buying (terrorist)insurance only weeks before the attack.

Next, tell us where you heard about these alleged war time exercises being conducted on 9/11 involving scenarios where planes were used to attack multiple locations at the same time.

I say it's all made up and you cannot find any evidence of it. Further, you probably won't even try. What you'll do is tell us the name of some conspiracy web site that also posts up these crazy theories and never proves any of them or provides evidence. They just say the buildings collapsed in a way that is similar to a demolition. That makes them idiots. When the weight of the upper floors is too much for the compromised damaged floors to support, the upper portion will pancake down. The momentum of the falling floors will then collapse the next floor and then the next floor. The compressing of the floors, displaces the volume of air space and sends clouds of dust out that conspiracy nuts said was explosive charges that were secretly installed during the months before. Crazy talk. It just happened that Arab terrorists flew planes into those precise buildings at the same time a series of demolition charges were set off by the U.S. government? Or maybe Israeli Jews who were warned not to go to work that day? Just crazy talk. Lots of Jews were killed in both tower collapses.

Here's what is more likely. You will offer no evidence and instead you will move on to another web site and tell more tall tales to people there and see if one or two dolts will fall victim to your grade school conspiracy theories. If not, or if you get called out and asked to provide any evidence, you'll move on again. Don't you think wasting the last 14 years of your life is enough? Surely there is something you could be doing with your life rather than dwelling on obviously made up stories that make no sense.

Everything you just said and applied to the "conspiracy theorist" can be equally turned right around and applied to your denier side as well. Just like the whole "atheist vs. believers" debate. For the most part we make up our minds before hand, and then accept any evidence that supports our preconception and reject and ridicule the evidence and others that disagree with it. I think it's pretty clear that fire has NEVER made a steel framed structure collapse, ever. That said we are asked to believe that that changed in 1 day with 3 different buildings. OK, I'm not a scientist, architect, demolition specialist, or anything else. When I see the evidence that they put in front of us I tend to think it wasn't all on the "up and up", and I defiantly don't just buy what the government says wholesale at ALL about ANYTHING, but the truth is I really don't know. I think the scariest people are the ones that have it "all figured out" to the point they get defensive and demean those that disagree. I really don't KNOW one way or the other, and that in it's self is scary to me. So everything you just flung at the "other side" could be gathered back up and dumped right back on you as well, so what was your point again?

 

[KennethC]

Lol they've all ready tried doing this. You can't really prove or disprove whether or not the planes, the jet fuel, or the fire would be enough to bring the towers down. You can't really do a controlled experiment to replicate one of the most uncontrolled events of modern times.

What we can prove though is that Osama bin Laden confesses to the 9/11 attacks, details his motivations and goals, and shows a level of detailed planning that pretty much confirms he masterminded it.

Here's the video that disproves the 9/11 US government conspiracy theory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ8oVnOugCE
[video=youtube;DZ8oVnOugCE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ8oVnOugCE[/video]

The real US government cover-up is about how involved Saudi Arabia was.

Inside the Saudi 9/11 coverup | New York Post

Actually the interpretation of the video of Osama claiming responsibility came out to be a mistranslation of what he said, as he did not actually state responsibility.

Also you have George Bush at two separate times stating that "when he saw the first plane hit."

The problem is there was no video of the first plane hitting at that time, it did not come forward tell like a month or two later.

The other issues you have is the whole made in the pentagon was way to small for a 757 to cause without leaving debris all over.

Also the plane that supposedly crashed in the field was reported to have landed at another airport 1 hour after it supposedly crashed.

Bin laden may have played a role but he was not alone in this......


Other issues is that a man who could not even do simple manuevers in a small plane supposedly made manuevers in a 757 that even the most experienced pilots could not do !!!

Then you have 3 buildings collapsing totally because of structure fires in the same day, when no other steel structured buildings in the past ever fully collapsed before.

All the tests I have seen done on steel beams to see if they would weaken and melt do to jet fuel burning was done on steal beams that were only about half the size of the beams used in the twin towers, or they were smaller.

There is to much that does not add up to simply just terrorist high-jacking planes with box cutters !!!

 

[KennethC]

Too much logic.......you need to stop.


We look at our government, like we do our children.

We see what we want to, and ignore the hurtful things they say and do.They can do no wrong, ...and would never do wrong to us...especially on purpose. Right?

9/11 is the perfect example of people seeing what they want to see. Thousands of witnesses, countless videos that are in your face....and still, nothing. Those who scream "conspiracy" ....have obviously not done their homework. They defend something that has stacks of evidence saying otherwise. It may not have gone down like the theorists say.....but one thing is for sure. It did not go down like the news said.

And that makes them liars.


........and we're the nutcases?

As a whole, we would be a terrible jury.

Really Reborn ???

You mean like the tons of eye witnesses that were on video stating the planes looked nothing like commercial airliners, that a few people said they were big grey planes with no windows.

How about the multitude of people who were in or around the buildings talking about the other explosions going off just before they collapsed.

Are these the witnesses your talking about, or how about the black man (forgot his name) that escaped out of WTC7 that reported the explosions going off in that building. Had nothing wrong with him but mysteriously died a few months later !!!

Not to mention the perfect angled cuts on the beams that could only be done by a controlled demo, not the weakening and melting of fatigue from structure fires or even jet fuel burning ???

What stacks of evidence are you speaking of ???

 

[Reborn]

Really Reborn ???

You mean like the tons of eye witnesses that were on video stating the planes looked nothing like commercial airliners, that a few people said they were big grey planes with no windows.

How about the multitude of people who were in or around the buildings talking about the other explosions going off just before they collapsed.

Are these the witnesses your talking about, or how about the black man (forgot his name) that escaped out of WTC7 that reported the explosions going off in that building. Had nothing wrong with him but mysteriously died a few months later !!!

Not to mention the perfect angled cuts on the beams that could only be done by a controlled demo, not the weakening and melting of fatigue from structure fires or even jet fuel burning ???

What stacks of evidence are you speaking of ???

Really Kenneth?
You should actually read .....before you respond to a post.

It makes a debate go a little smoother when we actually know our opponents stance on an issue.
Oh, and normally we don't debate people who are on the same team.


You need a hug, man? Like, you seem to enjoy debating everyone and everything?

 

[Bushido8000]

why does everyone think that the government needs the consent of the populace to go to war? the president makes the call and we go to war. our approval or disapproval doesn't matter

Disapproval really matters in terms of populace control and ally support. If we would have invaded the Middle East without a terrorist attack, every country in the world would have turned against us.

Take the chem attacks in Syria for example. Obama announced that he wanted to take Assad down after he hit the rebels with nerve gas but both the US population and other countries were against it. 6 months later, the most powerful and scariest terrorist organization springs up out of no where....and where do they happen to be based out of?

Could you imagine an America that was truthful about why we initially invaded the Middle East? An America where puppet citizens didn't support their Roman Centurions with yellow ribbons? If they weren't obedient and didn't trust their government? It would be chaos.

 

[Mitspa]

I seen a video on YouTube that proves it was a remote controlled plane being controlled by one of those lizard people ...

 

[KennethC]

Really Kenneth?
You should actually read .....before you respond to a post.

It makes a debate go a little smoother when we actually know our opponents stance on an issue.
Oh, and normally we don't debate people who are on the same team.


You need a hug, man? Like, you seem to enjoy debating everyone and everything?

I read your whole posting and it sounded like you were siding with it not being a conspiracy, and that there is tons of evidence showing that.

My point was the multitudes of eye witnesses that were silenced and not aired again after the first week or even first couple days of the 911 incident who reported other explosions and what the planes looked like.

If we are on the same page and that was not your point then sorry for the misunderstanding, but that is what it came off as that you believe the government over the evidence.

 

[Mitspa]

I have tried this before...and some guy sent me to a youtube video that claimed ALL the news reporters in New York was working together to make a big fake show...if any of you have any real evidence or have found any real evidence on the internet to prove this stuff? Please post a link.... REAL EVIDENCE! POST IT!

 

[KennethC]

I seen a video on YouTube that proves it was a remote controlled plane being controlled by one of those lizard people ...

That is getting a little ridiculous Mitspa................LOL

But the multitude of video's and witnesses that were there that came out and reported other explosions and described what the planes looked like. Those can not be ignored, and it is funny how after only one to maybe three airings those witnesses were never heard from again.

They interviewed a number of demo experts who said there is no way those buildings could come down like that from just jet fuel burning or structure fires. The angled cut found on some of the beams could have only come from a controlled demolition, not stress fatigue.

 

[Mitspa]

That is getting a little ridiculous Mitspa................LOL

But the multitude of video's and witnesses that were there that came out and reported other explosions and described what the planes looked like. Those can not be ignored, and it is funny how after only one to maybe three airings those witnesses were never heard from again.

They interviewed a number of demo experts who said there is no way those buildings could come down like that from just jet fuel burning or structure fires. The angled cut found on some of the beams could have only come from a controlled demolition, not stress fatigue.

Kenneth ..I know some "experts" have questioned how burning jet fuel could bring these buildings down as they fell... I also know other experts explain how it could happen...with that type of building .... so we are left with a debate among experts...but to make the great leap of logic into some of the ideas that many claim is just not reasonable or wise... If you have a good link that you think shows real proof of a conspiracy? I would be glad to check it out..but when folks leave logic and reason and go into their imaginations and try to prove something based their own twisted motives...I don't go along with that... in fact many of these things are being promoted by "muslims" groups...knowing they are evil and have a agenda ..folks just go along with it?

 

[KennethC]

Kenneth ..I know some "experts" have questioned how burning jet fuel could bring these buildings down as they fell... I also know other experts explain how it could happen...with that type of building .... so we are left with a debate among experts...but to make the great leap of logic into some of the ideas that many claim is just not reasonable or wise... If you have a good link that you think shows real proof of a conspiracy? I would be glad to check it out..but when folks leave logic and reason and go into their imaginations and try to prove something based their own twisted motives...I don't go along with that... in fact many of these things are being promoted by "muslims" groups...knowing they are evil and have a agenda ..folks just go along with it?

Well I don't have all the links right off hand because it has been awhile since I have looked into this issue, but I can tell you all the experts who said it could happen did one of two things.

Only gave their opinion on the subject, which proves nothing.

Or they did experiments with steel beams that were only half the size of the one's used in the twin towers, or beams even smaller than that. So their experiment was still flawed !!!

No steel structured building in history totally collapsed from structure fires, yet 3 buildings in one day we are told did, and not just collapsed but collapsed only in a way a controlled demolition would do.

Jet fuel has a quick burn up rate, as it completely burns up in just a few minutes.

This would leave just structure fires left burning that do not burn hot enough to fatigue metal beams, yet alone make angled cuts.

 

[Bushido8000]

I have tried this before...and some guy sent me to a youtube video that claimed ALL the news reporters in New York was working together to make a big fake show...if any of you have any real evidence or have found any real evidence on the internet to prove this stuff? Please post a link.... REAL EVIDENCE! POST IT!

I highly doubt that would be the case. I haven't found any evidence of that and it's kind of a stretch since a lot of journalists go rogue and become whistle-blowers when they get involved in corruption. There's just not enough self-interests unlike higher-ranking government officials.

Usually for a false flag to be successful (and there's been a few that have gotten out. Not conspiracy stuff, but legit documentation) there can only be a few in the know, with incredibly motivated interests in keeping it a secret.

The problem with evidence is that there cant be any with a case like this. The few questions that are raised are never answered like WTC 7. first-accounts say that the twin towers were demoed.

WARNING: GRAPHIC LANGUAGE

[video=youtube;mmC_HKRu428]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmC_HKRu428[/video]

 

[Mitspa]

Well I don't have all the links right off hand because it has been awhile since I have looked into this issue, but I can tell you all the experts who said it could happen did one of two things.

Only gave their opinion on the subject, which proves nothing.

Or they did experiments with steel beams that were only half the size of the one's used in the twin towers, or beams even smaller than that. So their experiment was still flawed !!!

No steel structured building in history totally collapsed from structure fires, yet 3 buildings in one day we are told did, and not just collapsed but collapsed only in a way a controlled demolition would do.

Jet fuel has a quick burn up rate, as it completely burns up in just a few minutes.

This would leave just structure fires left burning that do not burn hot enough to fatigue metal beams, yet alone make angled cuts.

Well when a building that size falls metal is going to do all kinds of things ...I seen some crosses come up too...does that mean the Baptist was behind the attack. For the charge that's being made ..they needs to be REAL EVIDENCE ... If someone accused you of a crime ..you want to see real proof..not just folks that was upset with you saying this or that.

 

[Mitspa]

I highly doubt that would be the case. I haven't found any evidence of that and it's kind of a stretch since a lot of journalists go rogue and become whistle-blowers when they get involved in corruption. There's just not enough self-interests unlike higher-ranking government officials.

Usually for a false flag to be successful (and there's been a few that have gotten out. Not conspiracy stuff, but legit documentation) there can only be a few in the know, with incredibly motivated interests in keeping it a secret.

The problem with evidence is that there cant be any with a case like this. The few questions that are raised are never answered like WTC 7. first-accounts say that the twin towers were demoed.

WARNING: GRAPHIC LANGUAGE

[video=youtube;mmC_HKRu428]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmC_HKRu428[/video]

Look I understand that folks can hear what sounds like an explosion or when one of the worlds tallest buildings is falling down..things can seem like they are being blown up...but for this to be true ..and no whistleblower from the CIA or military or government has come forth...no real evidence .... you cant just make these great leaps in logic and think reasonable people are going to go along with that error.

 

[slave]

So the debate is on! We have this theory here and that theory there. Why is it I see no difference between this debate, in some, and a debate amongst the world? With some saying, "Well, we have to talk things out!" ... "By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, that you love one another." John 13:35.

* Predispose that both arguments are right. Now what?, we feel good for not being wrong, we feel good for others not being wrong? Are some of us wanting to start a posse' mentality toward insurgent activities in our Government. A Government that I love, but know is not Christ based? What are all of our end-game goals here?

For those who simply want us not to venture into the wrongness of our own thoughts, thats good in my opinion. The ones who have adopted the facts they deem correct, which I myself could debate vigorously as well, as to all of them under scrutiny, for we assume a fact to be a fact without looking at all possibilities in those seemingly unarguable conclusions, yet we would be wrong to do so. But my point here is not to really kill that part, there is no point in it over what I am about to say:

My point is what will God do in us with our answers to this? Or is this just a Ferris -Wheel ride for the fun of it? Hey, maybe so.... Some here are simply here to be corrective, some are here to be suggestive, but either party must conclude a point behind their camps, and for us as Christians a godly point..And I ask you what is that conclusion?

Surely it is not to simply banter I hope. "We tend to us prayer as a last resort, but God wants it to be our first line of defense. Who knows all the details to this issue? We all know God does, I hope. Why then need we throw any of our credentials at each other? "....be slow to speak..." I think we do this because we pray when there's nothing else we can do, so we get busy at it..., but God wants us to pray before we do anything at all.

I would applaud a thread which was a prayer thread about this, because the camps of thought could merge under one heading, Gods Will! But to me, God has not called me to gather my opinion and experiences, which I could use, to shoot down another; It's simply pointless.

We want immediate results to a thing don't we?. We don't want to wait for God to resolve matters, or even implant the proper pray in us for the thing we seek answers to,... waiting in His good time because His idea of "good time" is seldom in sync with ours. What will we do with the answer either way is my point today?! What would God have us do and pray for as a result of either camps answers to be correct? We live by Faith.......right?! I have prayed and I think I will rest my thoughts on the fact this was a tragedy that was not in way of a super intense conspiracy, I have my facts in hand as I say this...but I do as my chief commands and this is not His call for me, is all. May God be blessed in all of this, and may we see the real light at the end of the tunnel!