still think 9 11 was a conspiracy?

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KennethC

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Well when a building that size falls metal is going to do all kinds of things ...I seen some crosses come up too...does that mean the Baptist was behind the attack. For the charge that's being made ..they needs to be REAL EVIDENCE ... If someone accused you of a crime ..you want to see real proof..not just folks that was upset with you saying this or that.
Look at that picture I gave of the beam, and look at the clear burn marks along that angled cut.

It is not caused by just melting or fatigue from being over heated by structure fire, it is consistent with shape charges used during demolition and is also consistent with the blasts or explosions the many firefighters reported hearing going off.

This picture I gave is just one of many beams with these angle cuts on them !!!

You are playing semantic's now by mentioning cross members being shown that broke apart, but the angle cuts and explosions heard and reported by multiple people (firefighters and cops included) can not be ignored.
 
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KennethC

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Look I understand that folks can hear what sounds like an explosion or when one of the worlds tallest buildings is falling down..things can seem like they are being blown up...but for this to be true ..and no whistleblower from the CIA or military or government has come forth...no real evidence .... you cant just make these great leaps in logic and think reasonable people are going to go along with that error.
Some of the explosions heard by a number of different people was reported before any collapsing was taking place.

This man here was in WTC7 and this is what he said.........

[video]https://youtu.be/3Tr0TZa3WeI[/video]
 
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Mitspa

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Look at that picture I gave of the beam, and look at the clear burn marks along that angled cut.

It is not caused by just melting or fatigue from being over heated by structure fire, it is consistent with shape charges used during demolition and is also consistent with the blasts or explosions the many firefighters reported hearing going off.

This picture I gave is just one of many beams with these angle cuts on them !!!

You are playing semantic's now by mentioning cross members being shown that broke apart, but the angle cuts and explosions heard and reported by multiple people (firefighters and cops included) can not be ignored.
Look Kenneth ...your listening to someone that is telling you that beam had to be this or that...someone calling themselves a "expert" im sure ...I also sure that another expert could explain why that beam ended up like it did. To look at one beam and assume the whole government and media is in some great conspiracy is just not logical ... Hundreds if not thousands of people would be required to be in on this conspiracy ..and none of them are talking? and these muslims guys had to pull all this off working with our government ..and nobody has any proof ..other than some beam that one of the worlds tallest buildings fell on...looks funny to some people. No Kenneth...that's not being sober minded as the scriptures tell us to be.
 
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Mitspa

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Some of the explosions heard by a number of different people was reported before any collapsing was taking place.

This man here was in WTC7 and this is what he said.........

[video]https://youtu.be/3Tr0TZa3WeI[/video]
Kenneth the guys own testimony is about the heat that was in that building ...which is what the experts say caused it to fail.

Yes im sure it sounded like explosions and seemed like things was exploding all around people...but that's not proof of bombs and a government conspiracy.
 
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Mitspa

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Jesussaveme

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I feel you mitspa. I'm 100% sure none of us are experts in architecture, construction, demo, explosives, aviation ect. The fact remains many people are devedided about the conclusion we were given of the 3 skyscrapers destruction. And some people want to be heard and want to be answered.
 
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Mitspa

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I feel you mitspa. I'm 100% sure none of us are experts in architecture, construction, demo, explosives, aviation ect. The fact remains many people are devedided about the conclusion we were given of the 3 skyscrapers destruction. And some people want to be heard and want to be answered.
I think some clarity is needed ..when a certain percentage of your population thinks the government is blowing buildings up..the government aught to have enough sense to put those doubts to rest. But the loons on the conspiracy side don't help anything ... they only make those with honest questions seem like they are not at all reasonable.

The fact that a large portion of Americans believe this stuff is reason enough for the issue to be further investigated, in my opinion..... if nothing else to silence all this insanity we see in the conspiracy circles.
 
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Even though youve provided intelligent studies on this, people will still not see. They simply do not want to believe it! It is impossible for 40 tons of steel to free fall in 7 seconds
 
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Jesussaveme

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I should add I have no theories I like to see where the discussions are heading. It's amazing how much disinformation is out there. I know what happen and so do many people. It has nothing to do with any 1 event. I am just hoping soon it will start coming out besides in books.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Well I don't have all the links right off hand because it has been awhile since I have looked into this issue, but I can tell you all the experts who said it could happen did one of two things.

Only gave their opinion on the subject, which proves nothing.

Or they did experiments with steel beams that were only half the size of the one's used in the twin towers, or beams even smaller than that. So their experiment was still flawed !!!

No steel structured building in history totally collapsed from structure fires, yet 3 buildings in one day we are told did, and not just collapsed but collapsed only in a way a controlled demolition would do.

Jet fuel has a quick burn up rate, as it completely burns up in just a few minutes.

This would leave just structure fires left burning that do not burn hot enough to fatigue metal beams, yet alone make angled cuts.

you do realize that cleanup after the attacks involved cutting beams and things like that right?
 

Dude653

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for you 9 11 conspiracy theorists, I have $1.57 in my pocket. I will donate it toward a plane ticket out if you will leave the country
 
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Jesussaveme

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It is not un American to question things. It's unfortunate that bad information and lots of it exist. The problem that people are so easily buying into alternative answers means the official story is not super believable. People should get away from what happened during this actual event and look for Means Motive and Opportunity that's what we learned in school, investigating crime.
 
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Jesussaveme

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If you would like to learn about events leading up to this go to history commons . org you can even type in 911 timeline
 
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jaybird88

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here is a link to the norad wargames, the article is from usa today. and if you dont want to click and read the whole thing, here is a quick copy paste from the article

"NORAD, in a written statement, confirmed that such hijacking exercises occurred. It said the scenarios outlined were regional drills, not regularly scheduled continent-wide exercises."

USATODAY.com - NORAD had drills of jets as weapons

 
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So the debate is on! We have this theory here and that theory there. Why is it I see no difference between this debate, in some, and a debate amongst the world? With some saying, "Well, we have to talk things out!" ... "By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, that you love one another." John 13:35.

* Predispose that both arguments are right. Now what?, we feel good for not being wrong, we feel good for others not being wrong? Are some of us wanting to start a posse' mentality toward insurgent activities in our Government. A Government that I love, but know is not Christ based? What are all of our end-game goals here?

For those who simply want us not to venture into the wrongness of our own thoughts, thats good in my opinion. The ones who have adopted the facts they deem correct, which I myself could debate vigorously as well, as to all of them under scrutiny, for we assume a fact to be a fact without looking at all possibilities in those seemingly unarguable conclusions, yet we would be wrong to do so. But my point here is not to really kill that part, there is no point in it over what I am about to say:

My point is what will God do in us with our answers to this? Or is this just a Ferris -Wheel ride for the fun of it? Hey, maybe so.... Some here are simply here to be corrective, some are here to be suggestive, but either party must conclude a point behind their camps, and for us as Christians a godly point..And I ask you what is that conclusion?

Surely it is not to simply banter I hope. "We tend to us prayer as a last resort, but God wants it to be our first line of defense. Who knows all the details to this issue? We all know God does, I hope. Why then need we throw any of our credentials at each other? "....be slow to speak..." I think we do this because we pray when there's nothing else we can do, so we get busy at it..., but God wants us to pray before we do anything at all.

I would applaud a thread which was a prayer thread about this, because the camps of thought could merge under one heading, Gods Will! But to me, God has not called me to gather my opinion and experiences, which I could use, to shoot down another; It's simply pointless.

We want immediate results to a thing don't we?. We don't want to wait for God to resolve matters, or even implant the proper pray in us for the thing we seek answers to,... waiting in His good time because His idea of "good time" is seldom in sync with ours. What will we do with the answer either way is my point today?! What would God have us do and pray for as a result of either camps answers to be correct? We live by Faith.......right?! I have prayed and I think I will rest my thoughts on the fact this was a tragedy that was not in way of a super intense conspiracy, I have my facts in hand as I say this...but I do as my chief commands and this is not His call for me, is all. May God be blessed in all of this, and may we see the real light at the end of the tunnel!
My reason for arguing this (and my other anti-force discussions), is that if I'm correct about these theories and ideologies, US soldiers are committing murder at an incredible rate (and not fighting for us). My goal is to spread these ideas so that good Christian men don't buy into these lies that their country tells them. My goal is to stop good Christian men from doing despicable acts that they don't even realize their doing because their minds have been infected with cancerous Murican patriotism. We are fed patriotism and pride from the time we are able to start walking. We are forced to say a pledge of allegiance to our country, our golden calf. We are made to believe that we are somehow the richest, most (somehow) rightious, and most free country in the world. And we are taught this ridiculous, illogical lie that by killing people half-way across the world, we are saving ourselves (an armed-citizen nation) from certain slavery to these poor, developing countries.

They committed 9/11 15 years ago...So....what? You mean to tell me that neither ISIS nor Al-quada has been able to perform a real terrorist (and I mean a significant one) attack in a 15-year time-span? We have American high-schoolers racking up more mass shooting kills than radical Muslims.We can't even stop marijuana from being sold, and people have the audacity to think that the US government is able to shut down EVERY plan to attack us? Get real, just about anyone on this forum has the capability to kill over 100 people today.
 
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Mitspa

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My reason for arguing this (and my other anti-force discussions), is that if I'm correct about these theories and ideologies, US soldiers are committing murder at an incredible rate (and not fighting for us). My goal is to spread these ideas so that good Christian men don't buy into these lies that their country tells them. My goal is to stop good Christian men from doing despicable acts that they don't even realize their doing because their minds have been infected with cancerous Murican patriotism. We are fed patriotism and pride from the time we are able to start walking. We are forced to say a pledge of allegiance to our country, our golden calf. We are made to believe that we are somehow the richest, most (somehow) rightious, and most free country in the world. And we are taught this ridiculous, illogical lie that by killing people half-way across the world, we are saving ourselves (an armed-citizen nation) from certain slavery to these poor, developing countries.

They committed 9/11 15 years ago...So....what? You mean to tell me that neither ISIS nor Al-quada has been able to perform a real terrorist (and I mean a significant one) attack in a 15-year time-span? We have American high-schoolers racking up more mass shooting kills than radical Muslims.We can't even stop marijuana from being sold, and people have the audacity to think that the US government is able to shut down EVERY plan to attack us? Get real, just about anyone on this forum has the capability to kill over 100 people today.
American soldiers are commiting murder at incredible rates? What ? That's insane !

Muslims extremist are killing everyone they can at all times ...same mindset of 911

In fact most of this conspiracy propaganda is coming from muslim groups ....
 
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Mitspa

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here is a link to the norad wargames, the article is from usa today. and if you dont want to click and read the whole thing, here is a quick copy paste from the article

"NORAD, in a written statement, confirmed that such hijacking exercises occurred. It said the scenarios outlined were regional drills, not regularly scheduled continent-wide exercises."

USATODAY.com - NORAD had drills of jets as weapons

I think the concept of planes being made into weapons is well established in our military from the time of WW2 ....

Im assuming NORAD was not in on the big conspiracy ..since they let the cat out of the bag?
 
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American soldiers are commiting murder at incredible rates? What ? That's insane !

Muslims extremist are killing everyone they can at all times ...same mindset of 911

In fact most of this conspiracy propaganda is coming from muslim groups ....
So what if Muslim extremists are? Do you have any idea how many people are being slaughtered in Africa EVERYDAY? Do you have any idea how impoverished North Korea is? Also the substantial rumors that there are concentration camps there as well? Do you know how many shootings their are in black neighborhoods across the UNITED STATES EVERYDAY(an issue that actually involves us)?

Death is all around us, in doesn't mean that we have the right to get involved. There are much bigger, much more violent and deadlier problems than Muslim Extremists. Take Conservative Capitalists for example.

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Also, most conspiracy theories are coming from Muslims? I'll be sure to let the lizard people know :rolleyes:
 
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