still think 9 11 was a conspiracy?

[RachelBibleStudent]

In the context of the terrorist attack it makes a lot of sense for the building to fall over when it was struck by tons of burning debris.

there...i fixed it for you...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Too much logic.......you need to stop.


We look at our government, like we do our children.

We see what we want to, and ignore the hurtful things they say and do.They can do no wrong, ...and would never do wrong to us...especially on purpose. Right?

9/11 is the perfect example of people seeing what they want to see. Thousands of witnesses, countless videos that are in your face....and still, nothing. Those who scream "conspiracy" ....have obviously not done their homework. They defend something that has stacks of evidence saying otherwise. It may not have gone down like the theorists say.....but one thing is for sure. It did not go down like the news said.

And that makes them liars.


........and we're the nutcases?

As a whole, we would be a terrible jury.

actually those of us who denounce conspiracy heretics -have- done our homework...which is far more than any of the conspiracy cultists have actually done...

the conspiracy heretics haven't bothered to do enough homework to find out that their claims and theories have been completely refuted...they prefer to just embrace lies that tell them what their deceived minds want to hear...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

I read the rules of this forums posting and I like what the moderator asked us to call conspiracy theory. Conspiracy research!

that title was actually suggested by a conspiracy cultist whose 'research' turned out to be extremely sloppy...

 

[Reborn]

actually those of us who denounce conspiracy heretics -have- done our homework...which is far more than any of the conspiracy cultists have actually done...

the conspiracy heretics haven't bothered to do enough homework to find out that their claims and theories have been completely refuted...they prefer to just embrace lies that tell them what their deceived minds want to hear...

I set out to disprove the conspiracy theories at first.

All of the evidence points to a cover up. Simple as that.

"Embrace lies that tell them what their deceived minds want to hear"?
Lets flip that back on those who apparently haven't done their homework.


Do some more homework, Rachel.
We can talk then.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

I set out to disprove the conspiracy theories at first.

All of the evidence points to a cover up. Simple as that.

"Embrace lies that tell them what their deceived minds want to hear"?
Lets flip that back on those who apparently haven't done their homework.


Do some more homework, Rachel.
We can talk then.

there goes the typical 'i didn't believe in conspiracy theories at first but then i was convinced by the sheer weight of the evidence' lie again...

nobody buys that any more...

practically zero evidence points to anything that the conspiracy cultists have claimed...all of their so called 'evidence' instantly collapses under scrutiny...that is the only 'controlled demolition' to see here...

i have done far more homework than any of the conspiracy heretics have..

 

[Reborn]

there goes the typical 'i didn't believe in conspiracy theories at first but then i was convinced by the sheer weight of the evidence' lie again...

nobody buys that any more...

practically zero evidence points to anything that the conspiracy cultists have claimed...all of their so called 'evidence' instantly collapses under scrutiny...that is the only 'controlled demolition' to see here...

i have done far more homework than any of the conspiracy heretics have..

Building 7 fell because of small fires.......in its own footprint.
....so did the two massive towers.

Okay.

If they needed to "pull" building 7, why?Do they always conveniently have explosives around a building, just in case of an attack?
Neat.


One lie, means there are more lies...and lies ontop of lies.
Like l said, do some homework on how buildings are built, and how nothing that massive collapses at freefall speed.

You are a "bible student" correct?
I would hesitate to go rounds with you about scripture, l know my limits.

I was a construction worker........maybe you should think twice before going rounds with me.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Building 7 fell because of small fires.......in its own footprint.
....so did the two massive towers.

Okay.

If they needed to "pull" building 7, why?Do they always conveniently have explosives around a building, just in case of an attack?
Neat.


One lie, means there are more lies...and lies ontop of lies.
Like l said, do some homework on how buildings are built, and how nothing that massive collapses at freefall speed.

You are a "bible student" correct?
I would hesitate to go rounds with you about scripture, l know my limits.

I was a construction worker........maybe you should think twice before going rounds with me.

they were not 'small fires'...they were huge multi story fires...easily seen in the photos of the side of the building that the conspiracy theorists never post on their websites...which you would have found if you had actually done your homework as you claimed...

'pulling' in demolition means to pull a building down with cables...not to blow it up with explosives...which you would have learned if you had actually done your homework as you claimed...and therefore the owner who referenced 'pulling' was unambiguously talking about pulling the emergency teams from the building instead of sending more people in to die...

now -you- are the one who clearly needs to do -your- homework...

i am a student of the bible...i am also a historian by training...you might want to think twice before debating historical facts with me...

 

[matureguy777]

The events of 911 2001 were not a conspiracy at all ... it all unfolded in plain sight. A conspiracy by definition is a thing hidden.

One must see what group benefited from the events of 911 to begin to understand who allowed/orchestrated the event.

Here is a hint ... Endless war for endless profit.

 

[Reborn]

they were not 'small fires'...they were huge multi story fires...easily seen in the photos of the side of the building that the conspiracy theorists never post on their websites...which you would have found if you had actually done your homework as you claimed...

'pulling' in demolition means to pull a building down with cables...not to blow it up with explosives...which you would have learned if you had actually done your homework as you claimed...and therefore the owner who referenced 'pulling' was unambiguously talking about pulling the emergency teams from the building instead of sending more people in to die...

now -you- are the one who clearly needs to do -your- homework...

i am a student of the bible...i am also a historian by training...you might want to think twice before debating historical facts with me...

Lol.
You're funny.

Seriously.....? Okay, If you say so.

I am familiar with your work on CC.
You can have the last word on this, lm not very good at convincing know it alls.

They already know it all.

Merry Christmas.

 

[Jesussaveme]

Hey guys, I love your spirited debate! It almost seems like you guys were having some "spirits" while debating. I'm joking, but as you can see this debate is endless. The great thing about this debate is, one day we will all know which side got it right. When it comes to mankind taking sides is not an option. We have all made our decision on which side to take for our spiritual battle I hope. That is more important.

History is written by the victors. Let's be victorious in this time for our children and grandchildren so the truth can be truth and not have to be discerned. God bless and happy holidays all!

 

[Bushido8000]

there...i fixed it for you...

What sucks is that you just turned it into a false statement. If it fell over, if ANY of the buildings fell over, it would have made perfect sense and the conspiracy theory wouldn't be strong at all.

That didn't happen though. You had 3 steel structures. 2 that were struck by planes (at angles on top of that), and a STEEL structure with a couple of small office fires that wasn't even hit, imploding in a perfect manner. And on top of that, you had firefighters telling reporters that when they were on the lower levels they heard and felt explosions beneath them before the implosion.

One of my friends demos buildings for a living. He explained to me that it's hard to implode a reinforced building (not even in reference to 911, although now that I think about it, I would really like to find out his opinion). you have to set explosives at just the right places. Reinforced buildings don't just take damage and fall straight down. They will always either topple or not completely fall.

 

[jaybird88]

Lol.
You're funny.

Seriously.....? Okay, If you say so.

I am familiar with your work on CC.
You can have the last word on this, lm not very good at convincing know it alls.

They already know it all.

Merry Christmas.

dont bother discussing this with her lol. i agree there are mountains of facts that prove the "official" 911 story doesn't add up. but if you had 100 mountains of evidence she still would refuse to see it.
my fav was the Muslim pass port found from the plain that burned up. nothing else survived the plain blowing up but the pass port, made out of paper looked brand new. yeah sure i believe that, if i was on crack.
pull it means demo btw.

 

[GaryA]

I am currently having audio problems on my computer -- so, I do not know what the guy was saying on the video in the OP. However, I imagine that he was making the point that [ even ] "normal fire" can cause iron / steel to become more malleable. { If it is heated long enough. }

Okay...

So -- will the fire on one side of the building also melt the same ( similar ) metal structure on the other side of the building ( where there is no fire burning [ at the same level of heat - for the same length of time ] ) -- such that - at a particular moment - the entire steel structure of the entire floor ( 360 degrees ) will "break free" and do a 'pancake' free-fall onto the next floor below it?

I think not...

It is not going to happen unless all of the metal parts in question are [ essentially ] heated to the same temperature for the same length of time -- AND they all "broke free" at the same time... Otherwise, it would cause the building to topple instead of falling straight down...

At best, the one side would falter while the other side was still holding strong enough to cause the building to lean - and topple - to the side that faltered.

And -- consider the CORE of each building -- containing multiple ( I have forgotten exactly how many. ) concrete-and-steel elevator shafts PLUS multiple ( I have forgotten exactly how many. ) LARGE vertical beams -- both running [ nearly ] the entire height of the building. If the 'pancake' theory were correct and true, then it would have been like dropping donuts down a toilet plunger handle. The CORE of the building would have remained standing -- rather than being pulverized into dust as the 'pancake' stacking occurs at nearly free-fall speed...

The ONLY way the 'pancake' theory can have any validity at all whatsoever ( falling straight down without any topple effects ) -- is -- if the outer part of the building fell downward around the CORE of the building -- leaving the CORE standing... ( even if only briefly - before the CORE itself began to topple )

There is NO WAY the entire building is going to disintegrate at nearly free-fall speed in its own footprint ( without toppling ) - "by a purely natural means" -- "without some 'help' from controlled demolition"...

 

[jaybird88]

The events of 911 2001 were not a conspiracy at all ... it all unfolded in plain sight. A conspiracy by definition is a thing hidden.

One must see what group benefited from the events of 911 to begin to understand who allowed/orchestrated the event.

Here is a hint ... Endless war for endless profit.

cui bono - who benefits?

if only more would ask this, the world would make more sense.
did the muslims? i dont think they wanted forever western influence in their countries. and thats exactly what they got.
the american people lost endless rights and freedoms. so no benefit for them either.
but a small select few got more power, influence and wealth. but most believe thats just crazy talk

 

[GodIsSalvation]

cui bono - who benefits?

if only more would ask this, the world would make more sense.
did the muslims? i dont think they wanted forever western influence in their countries. and thats exactly what they got.
the american people lost endless rights and freedoms. so no benefit for them either.
but a small select few got more power, influence and wealth. but most believe thats just crazy talk

Well if you watch the Osama bin Laden interview I posted, it seems his goals might have been a bit different than what you would think they are. Though pretty standard stuff for a follower of islam. You must understand, they have no qualms over dying, in fact they see it as a religious duty.

 

[matureguy777]

Cui Bono ... "From Chaos Order"

Google "Albert Pike's Three World Wars"

We can argue over the bit players and their role in the drama ... but indeed the script is penned by unseen hands who also have forgotten or ignored that God alone rules in the kingdom's of men.

The Archilles Heel of all Tyranny seems to be hubris ... like the King of Babylon ... "Look what my hand has gotten me!"

Modern Mystery Babylon is in no way different ... The Rulers of Mystery Babylon are full of pride and The Merchants of The Earth who enable this system to perpetuate do so using a value system that places Gold at the top and the souls of men down the bottom ... that be greed in my thinking!

Is it God's humor that the WORLD TRADE towers were struck on 911 ... history will show that 911 2001 was the day when the house of cards began to fall ....

The Stone Kingdom Age is upon us people ... get your house in order while you have time.

 

[jaybird88]

Well if you watch the Osama bin Laden interview I posted, it seems his goals might have been a bit different than what you would think they are. Though pretty standard stuff for a follower of islam. You must understand, they have no qualms over dying, in fact they see it as a religious duty.

i didnt see the video. i dont know a great deal about ben laden. all i know is he is heavily connected to saudi aribia and him and his group were heavily funded by US and other western governments to fight against the soviets.
i wonder what made ben laden have the big change of heart from terror group for profit, to terror group for islam? seems very strange.
i have met many muslims, not one tried to kill me for islam, they were pretty nice actually.

 

[Calmador]

no i have not met all of them. i dont call it exaggerating, i call it an educated decision. actions speak louder than words. take a look at the actions of our leaders, think about it and then ask the question again.
did you know that in the middle of the wall street scandals, bail outs and senate hearings, not one financier wen to jail. i watched many of them, almost all had their lies and corruption exposed and nothing was done. and after that, even more regulation (rules for them to follow) was cut.
if you go to any public council meeting in the usa u will hear same thngs. more social programs being cut and rolled back, and at the same time more tax breaks, government subsidies (tax money) for the giant corporations. why does a giant corporation with record profits that pays its workers they smallest pay they can get away with need financial assistance from the government? and i can go on but do i need to.
our government is supposed to serve the citizens, the masses, you and i. but it has proven to serve only the select few.
this is what i base my words on

I think there's a problem you don't see. If we had a group of people... 60% Godly people... and 40% ungodly but managed to be in-charge or more influential... you'd observe the actions and results and they turned out to be unGodly. So, for you this group would seem like there's only a few people in that group that are good. Politics can very well work this way. Actions and results can tell you the wrong story if the context is wrong.

A biblical example of how important it is to differentiate individuals is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. I imagine your familiar with it but in-case your not or anyone else who isn't reading isn't familiar. A point I see there is that God wanted to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah and Abraham talked God and asked him if God would destroy the city with righteous people in them. Abraham's conversation with God ended with 10 people... God wouldn't destroy the city with 10 people.

Genesis 18:32Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?”He answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.”

We shouldn't burn the bad guys with the good guys.

P.S. - I'm willing to accept crooked things happen in government. People can be corrupt. The government's made of people. We'd be naive not to think bad things happen at some point in time.

 

[GaryA]

I think there's a problem you don't see. If we had a group of people... 60% Godly people... and 40% ungodly but managed to be in-charge or more influential... you'd observe the actions and results and they turned out to be unGodly. So, for you this group would seem like there's only a few people in that group that are good. Politics can very well work this way. Actions and results can tell you the wrong story if the context is wrong.

A biblical example of how important it is to differentiate individuals is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. I imagine your familiar with it but in-case your not or anyone else who isn't reading isn't familiar. A point I see there is that God wanted to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah and Abraham talked God and asked him if God would destroy the city with righteous people in them. Abraham's conversation with God ended with 10 people... God wouldn't destroy the city with 10 people.

Genesis 18:32Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?”He answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.”

We shouldn't burn the bad guys with the good guys.

P.S. - I'm willing to accept crooked things happen in government. People can be corrupt. The government's made of people. We'd be naive not to think bad things happen at some point in time.

"Please take note that God did, in fact, destroy it -- i.e., there were not even ten..."

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

What sucks is that you just turned it into a false statement. If it fell over, if ANY of the buildings fell over, it would have made perfect sense and the conspiracy theory wouldn't be strong at all.

That didn't happen though. You had 3 steel structures. 2 that were struck by planes (at angles on top of that), and a STEEL structure with a couple of small office fires that wasn't even hit, imploding in a perfect manner. And on top of that, you had firefighters telling reporters that when they were on the lower levels they heard and felt explosions beneath them before the implosion.

One of my friends demos buildings for a living. He explained to me that it's hard to implode a reinforced building (not even in reference to 911, although now that I think about it, I would really like to find out his opinion). you have to set explosives at just the right places. Reinforced buildings don't just take damage and fall straight down. They will always either topple or not completely fall.

i am not going to take anything you say seriously until you stop repeating the conspiracist myth of 'small office fires' in 7 WTC...like i said earlier...you need to look at the pictures of the side of the building that the conspiracists never show on their websites and youtube videos...

also your assumptions about how buildings fall are incorrect...what you are talking about applies to buildings much smaller than the world trade center buildings...but basic physics tells us that with a much more massive structure the absolutely dominant force vector is gravity pulling straight down...