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I am not seeking to gain anything for myself
Then why all the focus on sin and how you yourself do not partake in it (usually)?

Why not give all the glory to God by thanking Him for what He has done and continues to do?
 
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You sound like you have pent up frustrations. I spend more time rejoicing in grace because my heart, mind and eyes are focused upon God, while you focus on sin, thereby showing that you focus more on people and less on God.
I focus on all of God's word which means you have to look at both sides...

If you don't look at both sides you are not qualified to handle others when it comes to their sinful ways, as Apostle Paul looked at it from both sides in all of his teachings.

I am frustrated because I am so saddened that my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ think it is acceptable to talk down and belittle others just because of differences.

Then they get upset when their sinful behaviors are pointed out to them and thus start attacking the person as being judgmental and condemning when actually they out of love are trying to help and correct them.

If the Apostle Paul was alive today walking on this earth a number of people on here would call him a heretic and claim him as judgmental as well. Because Paul would point out how we are walking improperly as he did to Peter and the people in the churches in his epistles.

We are called to focus on God and part of that is placed as overseers of the rest of the flock, Acts 20:28-31 states this !!!

We are not to set back do nothing and let others wollow in their sinful ways.
 
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Then why all the focus on sin and how you yourself do not partake in it (usually)?

Why not give all the glory to God by thanking Him for what He has done and continues to do?
I do give God the glory all the time for what He has done in and through me, and I believe I have stated that a couple times just in this thread alone today.

Why do claim things on me trying to say I don't do them when I do ???

My focus on sin is to lead and help others out of theirs, not for self, but for God to win another lost sheep back to the Lord.

We are called to do this !!!
 
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Then why all the focus on sin and how you yourself do not partake in it (usually)?

Why not give all the glory to God by thanking Him for what He has done and continues to do?
We all need to "work out our OWN salvation....."

In this discussion.......is it creature credit or Creator credit? We all,me included, need to look if we are giving the creature credit or the Creator credit.

I see a lot of creature credit going on.
 
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He elected all men for salvation............Just believe.

Good Stuff Brother. My God does not create a person for destruction. He creates them for salvation. Not willing that any should perish. Some just don't BELIEVE Him.

What does that big part in red mean to you ???
 
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What ???

Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Corinthians......<----These are all Gentile churches !!!
is there a point your making.

and who is paul talking to in galatians. would that be peter.


Paul Opposes Peter
11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party.13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, "If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?"



point made again next,
 
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acceptance grace is very hard for us humans to grasp because it is against everything in this world that we are taught...and to make it worse..it is against what the Old Covenant is saying.

So, when we mix up the covenants.....we get a messed up gospel...
Funny you should mention that. Do you believe the New Grace teaching that "rightfully dividing the truth" means that Jews under the old covenant were proclaimed one gospel, and we gentiles are proclaimed another gospel? And that the 4 gospel accounts were only for the Jews under the old covenant, and are not for gentile believers?
Did you miss my questions?
 

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Amen to this! Saul's hands were dirty regarding the death of people who had faith in Jesus, yet he was forgiven to the point that God used him to share the Gospel.

The difference is that Paul repented, but that's not a required ingredient for osas


King Saul.............habitually lived this lifestyle for the second half of his life.
Both are in heaven.
How do you know King Saul is in heaven? Did he repent like David did?

No. Still waiting for you to name ONE MURDEROUS CHRISTAIN.
Adolf Hitler believed in Christ and claimed to be a Christian in Mein Kampf, can we assume he's now in the loving arms of the Lord?

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Matthew 7:23)
 
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I do give God the glory all the time for what He has done in and through me, and I believe I have stated that a couple times just in this thread alone today.

Why do claim things on me trying to say I don't do them when I do ???

My focus on sin is to lead and help others out of theirs, not for self, but for God to win another lost sheep back to the Lord.

We are called to do this !!!
We are called to make disciples of all nations. I choose to do so by having people look at the majesty of God's loving, saving grace in Jesus Christ rather than having people look at the filth of their sins. There's a time and a place for both, but we should always focus more on Him.
 

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I focus on all of God's word which means you have to look at both sides...

If you don't look at both sides you are not qualified to handle others when it comes to their sinful ways, as Apostle Paul looked at it from both sides in all of his teachings.
Would you say a half calvinist , half arminian is a calvinist who lacks courage and faith or

would you say its an arminian who has an extra helping of faith and understanding but a little too much stubbornness?
 
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No I don't believe that either as it is not an either or....................

People want to always look at this from the God will never leave us nor forsake us viewpoint, but they ignore the scriptures that say and show we can forsake and leave Him.

Do you think God is going to save somebody who has spit on His was and trampled His Son under their foot ???

Luke 12 shows people who never even heard of Jesus being punished, how much more do you think He will punish those who do know Him but are deliberately disobedient to Him ???
Luke 12 is where the following words of Jesus can be found:

Fear not, little flock, for it is God's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom.
 
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The difference is that Paul repented, but that's not a required ingredient for osas




How do you know King Saul is in heaven? Did he repent like David did?



Adolf Hitler believed in Christ and claimed to be a Christian in Mein Kampf, can we assume he's now in the loving arms of the Lord?

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Matthew 7:23)
I don't recall OSAS folks proclaiming repentance is not a requirement, but I'm open to seeing the validity of your statement. I most certainly do not advocate living with an unrepentant heart.

As far as hitler goes, there's no definitive proof that he was Christian so let's talk about someone who is without a doubt a strong, dedicated Christian who loves the Lord our God with all his being, yet joyfully goes about murdering, thieving and taking part in all other hyperbole means of conduct.
 
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Adolf Hitler believed in Christ and claimed to be a Christian in Mein Kampf, can we assume he's now in the loving arms of the Lord?
Uh, no. Hitler was not a Christian. He was born into a Christian family, but he departed from that. He had plans to destroy Christianity once Europe was conquered. He was very fond of Islam, though.
 
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How do you know King Saul is in heaven? Did he repent like David did?
We know he DIDN'T repent.......this is why the Lord took him home.

1 Sam 28~~19“Moreover the LORD will also give over Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed the LORD will give over the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines!” 20Then Saul immediately fell full length upon the ground and was very afraid because of the words of Samuel; also there was no strength in him, for he had eaten no food all day and all night.
 
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I thought Jesus was the firstborn to rise from the dead, so that in everything he had the supremacy
 
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We know he DIDN'T repent.......this is why the Lord took him home.

1 Sam 28~~19“Moreover the LORD will also give over Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed the LORD will give over the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines!” 20Then Saul immediately fell full length upon the ground and was very afraid because of the words of Samuel; also there was no strength in him, for he had eaten no food all day and all night.
your post 254 which relates to this subject was said by Utah to be a fantastic post. He and grace 770 have liked your posts about this subject.
Did Saul go to heaven when he died? Not according to Jesus:

NO ONE has ever entered heaven except the one who came from heaven, the son of man john3:13

I have to wonder, if the three of you are wrong about this, how much more are you in error about?
 
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We know he DIDN'T repent.......this is why the Lord took him home.

1 Sam 28~~19“Moreover the LORD will also give over Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed the LORD will give over the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines!” 20Then Saul immediately fell full length upon the ground and was very afraid because of the words of Samuel; also there was no strength in him, for he had eaten no food all day and all night.
Bogus interpretation. The apparition was informing Saul that he and his sons would be as Samuel was - dead.
 
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your post 254 which relates to this subject was said by Utah to be a fantastic post. He and grace 770 have liked your posts about this subject.
Did Saul go to heaven when he died? Not according to Jesus:

NO ONE has ever entered heaven except the one who came from heaven, the son of man john3:13

I have to wonder, if the three of you are wrong about this, how much more are you in error about?
He is in heaven now. Old testament saints went to a compartment in hades called paradise. After the death of our great Lord and savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, He had his great ascension and led the saints into Heaven.

Heaven wasn't opened to mankind until a MAN was glorified........the unique person of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph 4:8~~New American Standard Bible
Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN."