Jesus Paid your Tithe!

[roaringkitten]

I wrote a brief summary of what the Bible has to say about tithing. There is much more depth into this topic that I will let readers investigate for themselves. There are so many heretical teachings in the churches today!

THE FIVE TITHES IN THE OT

#1:Abraham Tithe-Gen 14:18-21
-given once
-brought to Melchizedek
-tithe was spoils of war


#2:Jacob's Tithe-Gen 28:20-22
-given once
-how/if it was brought not stated


#3:Levitical Tithe-Num 18:21-24
-given yearly
-brought to Levitical cities
-only eaten by Levites


#4:Festival Tithe-Deut 14:22-26
-given yearly
-brought to Jerusalem
-Levites and Israel families ate this tithe


#5oor Tithe-Deut 14:28-29, 26:12-13
-given every 3 years
-stayed within gates for poor
-eaten by Levites, strangers,fatherless, widows


TITHING AN ORDINANCE UNDER MOSAIC LAW
-3 tithes under Mosaic law(Levitical,Festival, Poor)
-context of Mal 3:8-10 is speaking of Levitical tithe
-Num 18 declares Levitical tithe to be ordinance/statute
-Col 2:14 clearly states these handwritten ordinances were nailed to cross!


THE LEVITICAL TITHE
-Levitical priests had to be descendants of Aaron(Num 18:1-2)
-Priests received the "tithe of the tithe"(1%) from Levites(Num 18:26, Neh 10:38)
-neither priests nor Levites could own or inherit property(Num 18:20, 23, 24, 26, Deut 12:12, 14:27, 29, 18:1-2, Josh 13:14, 33, 14:3, 18:7, Ezek 44:28) Tithes replaced all property inheritance rights.
-only national Israel commanded to give tithes
-tithes were always food
-only those Israelites who had increase of the land gave tithes
-tithes had to come from holy promised land of Canaan(Lev 27:30, Deut26:15).
-poor did not tithe, they received from the tithes!
-Levites & priests lived in priestly Levitical cities for the tithe/offerings they received(Num 35:1-3, Josh 21:1-2, Neh 13:10).Levites received tithes in their own priestly cities, not the storehouse in Jerusalem!(Neh 10:37b)


TITHING NOT ETERNAL MORAL PRINCIPLE
*Many pastors say tithing is for church today because there was tithing before the Law of Moses, ie:Abraham gave a tithe to Melchisedec in Gen 14.


1)There was circumcision(Gen 17:10-14)and animal sacrifices(ie: Gen 3:21, Gen22:13) BEFORE the Law of Moses too! If we have to tithe today because tithing happened before Law of Moses, we should also require circumcision and animal sacrifices today!
2)Abraham tithe-spoils of war(Heb7:4), Mosaic tithes were always FOOD(ie: Lev 27:30)
3)Heb 7 explains how Melchisedec was a TYPE of Christ, and that the priesthood of Christ is GREATER than the Levitical priesthood. In other words, Jesus REPLACES the Law of Moses(Or we could say He fulfilled the law-Matt 5:17). Tithing funded the Levitical priesthood under the Mosaic law.The church is NOT under the Mosaic law, and we are NOT part of Israel, so EVEN if tithing is for today, it is only for national Israel!
4)Tithing is not an eternal moral principle, giving to the poor IS an eternal moral principle


TITHES IN MATTHEW AND LUKE
Tithes mentioned in Matt 23:23, Luke 11:42, 18:12 are speaking to leaders of Israel, not directed to the church! Until the DEATH of Jesus(Matt 27:50-51, Mark 15:37-38), Israel was still under the Mosaic Law. This is why the word “tithe” is still mentioned in the gospels of Matt and Luke.




CONTEXT OF MALACHI
*3 groups of people addressed in New Testament: The Jews, Gentiles, and church(1 Cor 10:32)


1)Book directed to Jewish ISRAEL(Mal 1:1), not the church!


2)Audience is primarily to PRIESTS of Israel(Mal 1:6, 2:1)


3)Priests were cursed for offering polluted sacrifices, stealing, and for being only partial in obeying the law(Mal 2:9). God already cursed the priests before Mal 3:8-10!(“I have cursed them already”-Mal2:2) Even if tithing is for today, tithe preachers who do not also tell their congregations to obey the WHOLE rest of the law of Moses, are GUILTY of only telling people to be PARTIAL in the law(as Mosaic tithing is only part of the law!) For breaking just one, also means breaking them all!

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all" James 2:10


4)Israel and the priests vowed to follow the entire law, and agreed to have a CURSE placed upon them if they failed to follow the entire law of the Old Covenant(Deut 27-all chap. and v26, Neh 10:28-29). The curse in Mal 3:9 is the curse of Deut 27:26 (Gal 3:10)! Blessings would follow IF Israel obeyed the law(Deut 28:1-14), curses would follow IF Israel failed to obey the law(Deut 28:15-68).


5)The entire context of Mal 3:8-10 is speaking of the “nation”. This nation is obviously Israel!


6)Tithes and offerings are clearly food!
a)”meat in mine house” Mal 3:10
b)”fruits of your ground” Mal 3:11
c)”your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field” Mal3:11
d)”delightsome land”Mal 3:12

7)”if I will not open you the windows of heaven,and pour you out a blessing,that there shall not be room enough to receive it.” Mal3:10b


-”windows of heaven”,which is poured out, is clearly speaking of RAIN(read Gen 7:11-12,8:2, 2 Ki 7:2,19). The blessing here is RAIN,that would make food grow!(Deut 28:12). The curse is drought!(Deut 28:23-24)...The whole PICTURE of Mal 3:8 and onward, is that of AGRICULTURE, food! But the tithe preachers conveniently ignore that fact!


8)"Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.Mal 3:8

Who robbed who?

Read Nehemiah 13:1-11 for an example of robbery....The Levites were robbed by the priest in this account. The Levites were POOR(They had no land inheritance-Numbers 18). Proverbs 19:17 says those that give to the poor give to God.Those that robbed the poor had robbed God!




GIVING IN THE NEW COVENANT
1)Old covenant giving was mandatory/compulsory(tithes and offerings)
2)New covenant giving is voluntary-”Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give;not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. “2 Cor 9:7




CONCLUSION
1)Tithing is of the Old Covenant law(Heb 7:5)-”according to the law“
2)The Bible says “the law is not of faith”-Gal 3:12
3)If tithing is of the law, and if the law is NOT of faith, then tithing,which is part of the law, is not of faith!
4)If we are commanded in Rom 1:17 “the just shall live by faith”,then tithing cannot be applicable today!
5)Giving is NOT just money.....God GAVE His only Begotten Son in John 3:16.....Christians gave themselves to the Lord in 2 Cor 8:5! Did Paul go begging for money in the ministry? NO! He worked to fund his own ministry according to 2 Cor 11:9, 1 Thess 2:9. The brethren in churches in the NT FREELY gave to help those in the ministry out of a willful heart, not of compulsion!

I pray this message will liberate those who have been taught they had to give 10% to the church. Don't give 10% to the church, give 100% to God! Flee from such preachers/teachers who abuse the Word of God!

Jesus paid your tithe! He fulfilled righteousness perfectly, something that no man could ever do! Tithe preachers who demand 10% of your income, etc...pretend/or act like there is only one Mosaic tithe in the Bible...are liars and thieves according to the Bible!

 

[p_rehbein]

well, that's one opinion, and it has pretty much been stated here on CC many, many times before.

I'm wondering thought, just how much does one have to love money to denounce giving?

Mayhaps folks could see what Scriptures say about those who love money?

 

[Grace777x70]

I agree that tithing is not for the N.T. believer but I wouldn't go as far as saying that people that teach tithing are actually lying or deceiving people.

Some people believe that with all their mind because they were taught that from their religious upbringing and of course - we cannot go against the word of God! ( this is how we get crazy doctrines handed down to us buy using .."it's the word of God "technique on people..so you better not question what "they" believe the scriptures say. It's quite a good setup actually...because everyone knows we are to believe in the word of God....

If that would be the case that people are lying and deceiving when discussing truth/non-truth....then all of us are liars and deceivers as we don't know all the truth. That process is unending.

Then of course no liars will inherit the kingdom of God. so if one took that stance - none of us will be in the kingdom. ( I'm being foolish here as we know the term "liars" is an identity issue and we are the righteous because of Jesus )

Good summary of tithing!..Thanks!

 

[gb9]

well, this has a strong potential for being the next firestorm thread.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

#2:Jacob's Tithe-Gen 28:20-22
-given once
-how/if it was brought not stated

Jacob promised to give GOD the tithe from all that he gave to him. What gift was he referring to?

And [Jacob] dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, "I [am] the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed"; Genesis 28:12-13

And this stone, which I have set [for] a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee. Genesis 28:22​

Jacob's oath was a direct response to GOD's promise. Since Jacob didn't inherit the land he didn't pay tithes. The fulfillment of that oath was required of his progeny who did inherit the land. So the tithe only has to do with the land and Jacob's natural descendents, and that is exactly what we find in the law.

 

[crossnote]

I don't get all these posts on tithing unless it is a squabble about the OT injunction of a tenth for the Israelites.

We as the Church are to give as the Lord has prospered us. i.e. Faith is require
God loves a cheerful giver i.e. If you can't give cheerfully ...don't.
Freely you have received, freely give ...i.e, it was never yours in the first place.

 

[dalconn]

I don't get all these posts on tithing unless it is a squabble about the OT injunction of a tenth for the Israelites.

We as the Church are to give as the Lord has prospered us. i.e. Faith is require
God loves a cheerful giver i.e. If you can't give cheerfully ...don't.
Freely you have received, freely give ...i.e, it was never yours in the first place.

Many on CC are out of fellowship with the body of Christ as they forsake the assembling of themselves together for giving, serving, and breaking bread.

Hebrews 10:25[SUP] [/SUP]Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

 

[Yonah]

Each must stand or fall before the One who called Him, the greatest asset we all have is our time, which is limited and fleeting, Each must act as the Spirit leads them in these cases, there are many ministries that continue to grow and expand and never ask for tithe or any contribution, they rely entirely upon the Father to supply their needs, if one feels compelled to ask for assistance for a ministry that is not a bad thing , each givers heart is laid bare to the One who called, some people are satisfied and indeed led to give of their substance in the form of money, others however are compelled to give of themselves through their time and service, these people have a heart of a humble servant, other give out of guilt, or an attempt to replace loving obedience in a trusting relationship, whatever the motive, He who formed the heart and created all things knows the truth of the matter, if you choose not to tithe that's between you and your creator, the father does not need us, we need Him, I have come to know the is one unwavering standard, (the word of truth) His spirit will surely guide and teach each sincere and trusting soul to the truth of His will for each one, sometimes we are led to do a thing or to say a thing but this may not be for everyone, allow Him to lead you and don't be concerned about those who you feel are deceiving others, is His arm shortened that he cannot save? each must choose each day to fulfill Matt.6:33 and each must give account on that day.

 

[Yet]

well, that's one opinion, and it has pretty much been stated here on CC many, many times before.

I'm wondering thought, just how much does one have to love money to denounce giving?

Mayhaps folks could see what Scriptures say about those who love money?

Please tell me who denounced giving? And if someone commands me to pay them tithes because they quit their job, who is loving whose money? Please answer.

 

[crossnote]

Many on CC are out of fellowship with the body of Christ as they forsake the assembling of themselves together for giving, serving, and breaking bread.

Hebrews 10:25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

And that's why they're so hung up on 'tithing'?

 

[Stephen63]

Giving is taught throughout the NT. Tithing is not. This is also taught:

Colossians 2:13-14 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; [SUP]14 [/SUP]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

 

[fredoheaven]

I wrote a brief summary of what the Bible has to say about tithing. There is much more depth into this topic that I will let readers investigate for themselves. There are so many heretical teachings in the churches today!

THE FIVE TITHES IN THE OT

#1:Abraham Tithe-Gen 14:18-21
-given once
-brought to Melchizedek
-tithe was spoils of war


#2:Jacob's Tithe-Gen 28:20-22
-given once
-how/if it was brought not stated


#3:Levitical Tithe-Num 18:21-24
-given yearly
-brought to Levitical cities
-only eaten by Levites


#4:Festival Tithe-Deut 14:22-26
-given yearly
-brought to Jerusalem
-Levites and Israel families ate this tithe


#5oor Tithe-Deut 14:28-29, 26:12-13
-given every 3 years
-stayed within gates for poor
-eaten by Levites, strangers,fatherless, widows


TITHING AN ORDINANCE UNDER MOSAIC LAW
-3 tithes under Mosaic law(Levitical,Festival, Poor)
-context of Mal 3:8-10 is speaking of Levitical tithe
-Num 18 declares Levitical tithe to be ordinance/statute
-Col 2:14 clearly states these handwritten ordinances were nailed to cross!
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Put the Law of First Mention as it was put above. I have to agree, it predates the Law.

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THE LEVITICAL TITHE
-Levitical priests had to be descendants of Aaron(Num 18:1-2)
-Priests received the "tithe of the tithe"(1%) from Levites(Num 18:26, Neh 10:38)
-neither priests nor Levites could own or inherit property(Num 18:20, 23, 24, 26, Deut 12:12, 14:27, 29, 18:1-2, Josh 13:14, 33, 14:3, 18:7, Ezek 44:28) Tithes replaced all property inheritance rights.
-only national Israel commanded to give tithes
-tithes were always food
-only those Israelites who had increase of the land gave tithes
-tithes had to come from holy promised land of Canaan(Lev 27:30, Deut26:15).
-poor did not tithe, they received from the tithes!
-Levites & priests lived in priestly Levitical cities for the tithe/offerings they received(Num 35:1-3, Josh 21:1-2, Neh 13:10).Levites received tithes in their own priestly cities, not the storehouse in Jerusalem!(Neh 10:37b)
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To note that the tithes are NOT to be brought into "A" storehouse; they are to be brought into "THE" storehouse. What is expected is that His people is to bring the tithes into the storehouse, which HE has designated - not just ANY storehouse. To those, who like the Hebrew, the same Hebrew word for storehouse is used for the TREASURY in Joshua 6:24, ". . .the silver and the gold . . . they put it in the TREASURY of the House of the Lord." The treasury is the storehouse, and the treasury is located in the house of the Lord.
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Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be roomenough to receive it.
TITHING NOT ETERNAL MORAL PRINCIPLE
*Many pastors say tithing is for church today because there was tithing before the Law of Moses, ie:Abraham gave a tithe to Melchisedec in Gen 14.


1)There was circumcision(Gen 17:10-14)and animal sacrifices(ie: Gen 3:21, Gen22:13) BEFORE the Law of Moses too! If we have to tithe today because tithing happened before Law of Moses, we should also require circumcision and animal sacrifices today!
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Who will require us of the circumcision and animal sacrifice today? YOU? Is it you that require when God is not requiring us
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2)Abraham tithe-spoils of war(Heb7:4), Mosaic tithes were always FOOD(ie: Lev 27:30)
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This is simple because the priest is designed to minister only in the temple. They cannot eat money!
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3)Heb 7 explains how Melchisedec was a TYPE of Christ, and that the priesthood of Christ is GREATER than the Levitical priesthood. In other words, Jesus REPLACES the Law of Moses(Or we could say He fulfilled the law-Matt 5:17). Tithing funded the Levitical priesthood under the Mosaic law.The church is NOT under the Mosaic law, and we are NOT part of Israel, so EVEN if tithing is for today, it is only for national Israel!
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The Jerusalem church is Jewish. Jesus Christ the founder of the church is a Jew, The 12 Apostles are Jews, Paul is a Jew. The gospel was first preach to the Jew what else…
Matthew 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
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4) Tithing is not an eternal moral principle, giving to the poor IS an eternal moral principle
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I don’t know that too.
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TITHES IN MATTHEW AND LUKE
Tithes mentioned in Matt 23:23, Luke 11:42, 18:12 are speaking to leaders of Israel, not directed to the church! Until the DEATH of Jesus(Matt 27:50-51, Mark 15:37-38), Israel was still under the Mosaic Law. This is why the word “tithe” is still mentioned in the gospels of Matt and Luke.


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That’s it, the principles still applies even in the New Testament where Jesus did not condemned but he commended the tithe. When Jesus was still on his earthly ministry (if you like Old Covenant) he said in
John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
The same “believe” is preached by Apostle Paul when he charged the Philippian Jailer in the book of Acts. (After Death, if you like the New Covenant)
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Acts 16:31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
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CONTEXT OF MALACHI
*3 groups of people addressed in New Testament: The Jews, Gentiles, and church(1 Cor 10:32)
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This is not part of Malachi. A good one for another thread ( 7 dispensations)
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1)Book directed to Jewish ISRAEL(Mal 1:1), not the church!
******************************************************Of course not the N.T. Church unless someone believes in here the Israel which is the “church in the wilderness” Acts 7:38
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2)Audience is primarily to PRIESTS of Israel(Mal 1:6, 2:1)
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Yes, but there are also other characters in the scene.
In reference to the Gentiles and also the heathen.
Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts

In reference to all the people -Jews, Gentile and heathen alike including the priests.
Malachi 2:9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.
In reference to John the Baptist
Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
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3)Priests were cursed for offering polluted sacrifices, stealing, and for being only partial in obeying the law(Mal 2:9). God already cursed the priests before Mal 3:8-10!(“I have cursed them already”-Mal2:2) Even if tithing is for today, tithe preachers who do not also tell their congregations to obey the WHOLE rest of the law of Moses, are GUILTY of only telling people to be PARTIAL in the law(as Mosaic tithing is only part of the law!) For breaking just one, also means breaking them all!
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But Christ became a high Priest! And if you are a believer you become one of the royal priesthood.
Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
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"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all" James 2:10


4)Israel and the priests vowed to follow the entire law, and agreed to have a CURSE placed upon them if they failed to follow the entire law of the Old Covenant(Deut 27-all chap. and v26, Neh 10:28-29). The curse in Mal 3:9 is the curse of Deut 27:26 (Gal 3:10)! Blessings would follow IF Israel obeyed the law(Deut 28:1-14), curses would follow IF Israel failed to obey the law(Deut 28:15-68).


******************************************************And that’s what the bible says, It’s between God and Israel and cursed who does not follow and blessings if they do not follow. Know also that the scriptures of the O.T. are written for our learning.
Romans 15:4For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
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5) The entire context of Mal 3:8-10 is speaking of the “nation”. This nation is obviously Israel!
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The Bible says “… a man…” and not a ”priest” who robbed God and the “nation of Israel.” Did the nation of Israel robbed God?
Malachi 3:10 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
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6)Tithes and offerings are clearly food!

a)”meat in mine house” Mal 3:10
b)”fruits of your ground” Mal 3:11
c)”your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field” Mal3:11
d)”delightsome land”Mal 3:12
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Here’s the New Testament Parallel teaching of the Old Testament principle:
1 Corinthians 9:14 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
1 Corinthians 9:15 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
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7)”if I will not open you the windows of heaven,and pour you out a blessing,that there shall not be room enough to receive it.” Mal3:10b

-”windows of heaven”,which is poured out, is clearly speaking of RAIN(read Gen 7:11-12,8:2, 2 Ki 7:2,19). The blessing here is RAIN,that would make food grow!(Deut 28:12). The curse is drought!(Deut 28:23-24)...The whole PICTURE of Mal 3:8 and onward, is that of AGRICULTURE, food! But the tithe preachers conveniently ignore that fact!
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Wow! This is awesome; if it’s literal rain and there’s not enough room to receive then this would result to great FLOOD! And which entails a “judgment” or a “curse”. If I but paint a picture of it, it’s a blessing!
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8)"Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.Mal 3:8

Who robbed who?

Read Nehemiah 13:1-11 for an example of robbery....The Levites were robbed by the priest in this account. The Levites were POOR(They had no land inheritance-Numbers 18). Proverbs 19:17 says those that give to the poor give to God.Those that robbed the poor had robbed God!
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The account is for our admonitions.
1 Corinthians 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

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GIVING IN THE NEW COVENANT
1)Old covenant giving was mandatory/compulsory(tithes and offerings)
2)New covenant giving is voluntary-”Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give;not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. “2 Cor 9:7

CONCLUSION
1)Tithing is of the Old Covenant law(Heb 7:5)-”according to the law“
2)The Bible says “the law is not of faith”-Gal 3:12
3)If tithing is of the law, and if the law is NOT of faith, then tithing,which is part of the law, is not of faith!
4)If we are commanded in Rom 1:17 “the just shall live by faith”,then tithing cannot be applicable today!
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We got into trouble if someone persist that the principle of tithing is according to the Law, who is then a Legalist? The one who persist that it is part of the Law or the one who says it pre-dates the Law?
Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children ofAbraham.
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5) Giving is NOT just money.....God GAVE His only Begotten Son in John 3:16.....Christians gave themselves to the Lord in 2 Cor 8:5! Did Paul go begging for money in the ministry? NO! He worked to fund his own ministry according to 2 Cor 11:9, 1 Thess 2:9. The brethren in churches in the NT FREELY gave to help those in the ministry out of a willful heart, not of compulsion!
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Yep, but also Paul received some of the Philppian believers not once but twice not because he desire a gift but a treatment for having giving as a blessing.
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I pray this message will liberate those who have been taught they had to give 10% to the church. Don't give 10% to the church, give 100% to God! Flee from such preachers/teachers who abuse the Word of God!
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The question is, have we done that giving of 100% to God? If this true, this is the best giving of all, Christ being the example when He gave Himself for the redemption of our sin. The principle is “plant a little reap a little, plant much then reap much.” According as he purposeth in his heart then it is you who will determine you’re giving even up to 100% on the top of 10%. Thus, a 10% issue is very easy thing to do.
“But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give;not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.” 2 Cor 9:6-7
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Jesus paid your tithe! He fulfilled righteousness perfectly, something that no man could ever do! Tithe preachers who demand 10% of your income, etc...pretend/or act like there is only one Mosaic tithe in the Bible...are liars and thieves according to the Bible!
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What a bold statement! Are we not guilty of adding God’s Word? And who is a liar? I do not disdain 100% giving that well and good but I have just to wonder why it’s hard to believe the 10%. Can we truly give 100% if we are hard in 10%? That’s not being a Legalist. I am not saved because of Tithing, I just obey God. I have not been saved because of the so called Law, but I am abiding law citizen. I am saved by the Grace of God through faith in Christ Jesus as my Saviour.
God bless you.
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Romans 3:4God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
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[InSpiritInTruth]

Ask yourself this. Who are the true ministers of God? Are they appointed by men, or are they anointed by God to minister?
Where is the True Temple and altar of God? Who is the High Priest of this Temple?

Were not the earthly things just shadows of the greater heavenly? Were not the earthly sacrifices and offerings just shadows of better offerings an sacrifices? It is the true ministers of the True Temple that shall partake of things of the altar is it not?

1 Corinthians 9:13
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

1 Corinthians 10:18
Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?

Hebrews 13:9-10 "Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle."


Galatians 6:8
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

 

[Yet]

I don't get all these posts on tithing unless it is a squabble about the OT injunction of a tenth for the Israelites.

We as the Church are to give as the Lord has prospered us. i.e. Faith is require
God loves a cheerful giver i.e. If you can't give cheerfully ...don't.
Freely you have received, freely give ...i.e, it was never yours in the first place.

Thats a misapplication. Jesus told His ministers to 'freely you have received, freely give'.

Also, Jesus never paid tithes. He was a carpenter. Not a herdsman or farmer.

Whats not to Get? Here's what happened. In 777ad the 'church' started pushing tithing to support the false cleric caste,
following in lockstep with the whore that implemented it in about 569 at the Macon council.

So why would we want to disregard NT truth for a lie from the whore? Baffling isn't it? Uhhhhhh....not so much. Men covet filthy lucre by sheering the sheep and leaving them destitute. The beauty of the modern cleric system is these men receive attention and praise from an adoring crowd and get paid for it to boot. They are spared the rigors of a low paying, sweat shop job. How sweet is that?. Pride and greed both satisfied. That's got to be God's plan....right?







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[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Thats a misapplication. Jesus told His ministers to 'freely you have received, freely give'.

Those who make merchandise of the word of GOD have their reward.

 

[kaylagrl]

I wrote a brief summary of what the Bible has to say about tithing. There is much more depth into this topic that I will let readers investigate for themselves. There are so many heretical teachings in the churches today!

THE FIVE TITHES IN THE OT

#1:Abraham Tithe-Gen 14:18-21
-given once
-brought to Melchizedek
-tithe was spoils of war


#2:Jacob's Tithe-Gen 28:20-22
-given once
-how/if it was brought not stated


#3:Levitical Tithe-Num 18:21-24
-given yearly
-brought to Levitical cities
-only eaten by Levites


#4:Festival Tithe-Deut 14:22-26
-given yearly
-brought to Jerusalem
-Levites and Israel families ate this tithe


#5oor Tithe-Deut 14:28-29, 26:12-13
-given every 3 years
-stayed within gates for poor
-eaten by Levites, strangers,fatherless, widows


TITHING AN ORDINANCE UNDER MOSAIC LAW
-3 tithes under Mosaic law(Levitical,Festival, Poor)
-context of Mal 3:8-10 is speaking of Levitical tithe
-Num 18 declares Levitical tithe to be ordinance/statute
-Col 2:14 clearly states these handwritten ordinances were nailed to cross!


THE LEVITICAL TITHE
-Levitical priests had to be descendants of Aaron(Num 18:1-2)
-Priests received the "tithe of the tithe"(1%) from Levites(Num 18:26, Neh 10:38)
-neither priests nor Levites could own or inherit property(Num 18:20, 23, 24, 26, Deut 12:12, 14:27, 29, 18:1-2, Josh 13:14, 33, 14:3, 18:7, Ezek 44:28) Tithes replaced all property inheritance rights.
-only national Israel commanded to give tithes
-tithes were always food
-only those Israelites who had increase of the land gave tithes
-tithes had to come from holy promised land of Canaan(Lev 27:30, Deut26:15).
-poor did not tithe, they received from the tithes!
-Levites & priests lived in priestly Levitical cities for the tithe/offerings they received(Num 35:1-3, Josh 21:1-2, Neh 13:10).Levites received tithes in their own priestly cities, not the storehouse in Jerusalem!(Neh 10:37b)


TITHING NOT ETERNAL MORAL PRINCIPLE
*Many pastors say tithing is for church today because there was tithing before the Law of Moses, ie:Abraham gave a tithe to Melchisedec in Gen 14.


1)There was circumcision(Gen 17:10-14)and animal sacrifices(ie: Gen 3:21, Gen22:13) BEFORE the Law of Moses too! If we have to tithe today because tithing happened before Law of Moses, we should also require circumcision and animal sacrifices today!
2)Abraham tithe-spoils of war(Heb7:4), Mosaic tithes were always FOOD(ie: Lev 27:30)
3)Heb 7 explains how Melchisedec was a TYPE of Christ, and that the priesthood of Christ is GREATER than the Levitical priesthood. In other words, Jesus REPLACES the Law of Moses(Or we could say He fulfilled the law-Matt 5:17). Tithing funded the Levitical priesthood under the Mosaic law.The church is NOT under the Mosaic law, and we are NOT part of Israel, so EVEN if tithing is for today, it is only for national Israel!
4)Tithing is not an eternal moral principle, giving to the poor IS an eternal moral principle


TITHES IN MATTHEW AND LUKE
Tithes mentioned in Matt 23:23, Luke 11:42, 18:12 are speaking to leaders of Israel, not directed to the church! Until the DEATH of Jesus(Matt 27:50-51, Mark 15:37-38), Israel was still under the Mosaic Law. This is why the word “tithe” is still mentioned in the gospels of Matt and Luke.




CONTEXT OF MALACHI
*3 groups of people addressed in New Testament: The Jews, Gentiles, and church(1 Cor 10:32)


1)Book directed to Jewish ISRAEL(Mal 1:1), not the church!


2)Audience is primarily to PRIESTS of Israel(Mal 1:6, 2:1)


3)Priests were cursed for offering polluted sacrifices, stealing, and for being only partial in obeying the law(Mal 2:9). God already cursed the priests before Mal 3:8-10!(“I have cursed them already”-Mal2:2) Even if tithing is for today, tithe preachers who do not also tell their congregations to obey the WHOLE rest of the law of Moses, are GUILTY of only telling people to be PARTIAL in the law(as Mosaic tithing is only part of the law!) For breaking just one, also means breaking them all!

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all" James 2:10


4)Israel and the priests vowed to follow the entire law, and agreed to have a CURSE placed upon them if they failed to follow the entire law of the Old Covenant(Deut 27-all chap. and v26, Neh 10:28-29). The curse in Mal 3:9 is the curse of Deut 27:26 (Gal 3:10)! Blessings would follow IF Israel obeyed the law(Deut 28:1-14), curses would follow IF Israel failed to obey the law(Deut 28:15-68).


5)The entire context of Mal 3:8-10 is speaking of the “nation”. This nation is obviously Israel!


6)Tithes and offerings are clearly food!
a)”meat in mine house” Mal 3:10
b)”fruits of your ground” Mal 3:11
c)”your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field” Mal3:11
d)”delightsome land”Mal 3:12

7)”if I will not open you the windows of heaven,and pour you out a blessing,that there shall not be room enough to receive it.” Mal3:10b


-”windows of heaven”,which is poured out, is clearly speaking of RAIN(read Gen 7:11-12,8:2, 2 Ki 7:2,19). The blessing here is RAIN,that would make food grow!(Deut 28:12). The curse is drought!(Deut 28:23-24)...The whole PICTURE of Mal 3:8 and onward, is that of AGRICULTURE, food! But the tithe preachers conveniently ignore that fact!


8)"Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.Mal 3:8

Who robbed who?

Read Nehemiah 13:1-11 for an example of robbery....The Levites were robbed by the priest in this account. The Levites were POOR(They had no land inheritance-Numbers 18). Proverbs 19:17 says those that give to the poor give to God.Those that robbed the poor had robbed God!




GIVING IN THE NEW COVENANT
1)Old covenant giving was mandatory/compulsory(tithes and offerings)
2)New covenant giving is voluntary-”Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give;not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. “2 Cor 9:7




CONCLUSION
1)Tithing is of the Old Covenant law(Heb 7:5)-”according to the law“
2)The Bible says “the law is not of faith”-Gal 3:12
3)If tithing is of the law, and if the law is NOT of faith, then tithing,which is part of the law, is not of faith!
4)If we are commanded in Rom 1:17 “the just shall live by faith”,then tithing cannot be applicable today!
5)Giving is NOT just money.....God GAVE His only Begotten Son in John 3:16.....Christians gave themselves to the Lord in 2 Cor 8:5! Did Paul go begging for money in the ministry? NO! He worked to fund his own ministry according to 2 Cor 11:9, 1 Thess 2:9. The brethren in churches in the NT FREELY gave to help those in the ministry out of a willful heart, not of compulsion!

I pray this message will liberate those who have been taught they had to give 10% to the church. Don't give 10% to the church, give 100% to God! Flee from such preachers/teachers who abuse the Word of God!

Jesus paid your tithe! He fulfilled righteousness perfectly, something that no man could ever do! Tithe preachers who demand 10% of your income, etc...pretend/or act like there is only one Mosaic tithe in the Bible...are liars and thieves according to the Bible!

Really tired of this type of nonsense. The Bible says God loves a cheerful giver.It also says" Give and it shall be given unto you". Is this the attitude God blesses? Squabbling over 10%? We owe ALL we have to HIM. What did He say to the rich young ruler? Give,give,give! The widow gave ALL. Thats the heart that Gods blesses.Not a stingy attitude.smh

 

[kaylagrl]

well, this has a strong potential for being the next firestorm thread.

Lol,you called it!