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In New Testament times, nothing you eat is religiously wrong. God Himself prophesied that there would come a day when we can eat anything that moves along the ground just the same as we eat the green herb. This is found in Genesis 9:3. In Peter's vision, a blanket was lowered holding pigs and other 'unclean' animals. God encouraged him to kill and eat, but Peter said he never ate anything unclean in his life. (Acts chapter 10).
Then God said not to call anything unclean that He has made clean. Clean meaning not religiously wrong. It is now ok to eat pork (bacon, sausage, ham). And it is now ok for other nationalities (Gentiles) to become God's people. Because in the Old Testament things had to be done physically, but those same things are now done spiritually.
So, for example, God's people were so by physical means (Israelites from Jacob whose name was changed to Israel), but are now of any nationality, whether rich or poor, male or female, slave or free.
Also, as God's people, we are to feed off of what's good- such as the bible- anything that is true, noble, good, praiseworthy, etc. But if we spiritually feed off of garbage such as horror movies, romance novels that are really porn, it's like living in Old Testament times and feeding off of pigs. You see, there was nothing ever wrong with pigs, but it was wrong to disobey God when He said not to eat it. We know now His reason was because the spiritual things in the New Testament had to have a physical example in the Old Testament.
Jesus says it is not what goes in you that makes you unclean, but what comes out. It other words, it is the spiritual things that come out- such as lust, envy, rage, and evil plans.
Just like the globe represents the earth, but is not the earth, pigs used to represent wrong, but are not wrong. And we no longer are under those physical representations. Just like we no longer sacrifice a perfect lamb for sin, we now have the real thing- the Lamb of God. The Old Testament lamb never washed away sins, but obedience to God is what saves, for whoever obeys Him will be covered by Christ's blood.
So to not eat pork today, for religious reasons, is like covering yourself physically with the blood of a physical lamb, in an attempt to wash away your sins. It is no longer needed to obey God, and it never worked anyways.
Then God said not to call anything unclean that He has made clean. Clean meaning not religiously wrong. It is now ok to eat pork (bacon, sausage, ham). And it is now ok for other nationalities (Gentiles) to become God's people. Because in the Old Testament things had to be done physically, but those same things are now done spiritually.
So, for example, God's people were so by physical means (Israelites from Jacob whose name was changed to Israel), but are now of any nationality, whether rich or poor, male or female, slave or free.
Also, as God's people, we are to feed off of what's good- such as the bible- anything that is true, noble, good, praiseworthy, etc. But if we spiritually feed off of garbage such as horror movies, romance novels that are really porn, it's like living in Old Testament times and feeding off of pigs. You see, there was nothing ever wrong with pigs, but it was wrong to disobey God when He said not to eat it. We know now His reason was because the spiritual things in the New Testament had to have a physical example in the Old Testament.
Jesus says it is not what goes in you that makes you unclean, but what comes out. It other words, it is the spiritual things that come out- such as lust, envy, rage, and evil plans.
Just like the globe represents the earth, but is not the earth, pigs used to represent wrong, but are not wrong. And we no longer are under those physical representations. Just like we no longer sacrifice a perfect lamb for sin, we now have the real thing- the Lamb of God. The Old Testament lamb never washed away sins, but obedience to God is what saves, for whoever obeys Him will be covered by Christ's blood.
So to not eat pork today, for religious reasons, is like covering yourself physically with the blood of a physical lamb, in an attempt to wash away your sins. It is no longer needed to obey God, and it never worked anyways.
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Don't be deceived.
Eating a lot of greasy foods, shellfish, etc., will clog your arteries over time. They're very high in cholesterol.
Apostle Paul was honest about such things. Though we have freedom in Christ Jesus, not all things we may do are profitable. The event in Acts where God showed Apostle Peter a blanket of unclean animals and told him to eat was given as symbolic for The Gospel going also to the Gentiles. It did not mean the unclean foods on God's list changed. It's simply not a Salvation issue anymore, but a bodily health issue.
All [things] are permitted, but not all [things] are profitable. All [things] are permitted, but not all [things] build up. Let no one seek his own good but the [good] of the other. Eat everything that is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for the sake of the conscience, for “the earth [is] the Lord’s, and its fullness.” 1 Corinthians 10:23-26
Eating a lot of greasy foods, shellfish, etc., will clog your arteries over time. They're very high in cholesterol.
Apostle Paul was honest about such things. Though we have freedom in Christ Jesus, not all things we may do are profitable. The event in Acts where God showed Apostle Peter a blanket of unclean animals and told him to eat was given as symbolic for The Gospel going also to the Gentiles. It did not mean the unclean foods on God's list changed. It's simply not a Salvation issue anymore, but a bodily health issue.
All [things] are permitted, but not all [things] are profitable. All [things] are permitted, but not all [things] build up. Let no one seek his own good but the [good] of the other. Eat everything that is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for the sake of the conscience, for “the earth [is] the Lord’s, and its fullness.” 1 Corinthians 10:23-26
Yes there are health reasons to not binge eat bacon and other greasy food 
In order for the end of the example to be established, the example has to be true as well. Thus the symbolic nature of the Gentiles being grafted into the new covenant was established as well as the example of the animals to which God says specifically to not call what is cleansed common.
For the new covenant, we still avoid that which is clean and unclean, but now we look at what is spiritually clean and unclean.
In order for the end of the example to be established, the example has to be true as well. Thus the symbolic nature of the Gentiles being grafted into the new covenant was established as well as the example of the animals to which God says specifically to not call what is cleansed common.
For the new covenant, we still avoid that which is clean and unclean, but now we look at what is spiritually clean and unclean.
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Well the bible compares one who eats only veggies as one who is weak in the faith.........
Anyway what we eat or don't eat does not commend us to God, so we can do what we want as long as it does not hinder our growth in the faith and does not place stumbling blocks on others.
We have been given liberty only we are not to use that liberty to give into fleshly desires !!!
Anyway what we eat or don't eat does not commend us to God, so we can do what we want as long as it does not hinder our growth in the faith and does not place stumbling blocks on others.
We have been given liberty only we are not to use that liberty to give into fleshly desires !!!
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Do you think that you are free? When you only eat veggies you bind yourself from eating other foods that are equally permissible. Having said that, I bind myself by not eating shrimp, simply because I've never liked it's similarity to centipedes. And after braving to try it at least once, I confirmed my distaste for it. I don't worry that I'm missing out on that food which is advertised as delicious.
Actually, I don't like meat and never had, even when I was forced to eat it as a child. I have a lot of digestive issues, and I simply cannot handle the fat in meat. I occasionally will eat fresh, ocean Sockeye salmon, which does not bother me.
So no binding at all. Just like you don't like shrimp, I can't stand the taste of meat, and I get sick to my stomach from eating it. I became a vegetarian when I was 17, 9 years before I became a Christian. My husband wanted me to eat meat, and I did for a while, but he could see it was making me sick. So I cooked meat for him, and vegetarian for myself. Then we went to a workshop put on by the provincial government on how to eat to prevent or reverse pre-diabetes. It was exactly what I was eating! High fibre, low fat, lots and lots of veggies and fruits, which we have in abundance where we live, including organic, and in my garden. I buy organic when I have to buy store bought, but right now I am still eating a lot from my garden that I put up, froze or I still have left from the garden.
As for whether I "clean" my veggies, I have an interesting story to tell. We had to get soil for my veggie beds in the spring. The local municipality composts greens and sells the soil for a low amount. But they couldn't guarantee that it was organic, mostly because the grass clippings tend to have both fertilizers and pesticides on them. So I opted for soil that was as close to organic as you can get, but it cost 3 times as much. I figured I was only filling those beds once, so I wanted it to be done right.
I was talking to an environmental engineer, and he was wondering what the treatment was for sewage in this town. They have an elaborate cleaning process, and eventually the water ends up in the lake, which is our water source. That was bad enough, but they take the sewage sludge and put it into the composting for the cheap soil they are selling. I should have looked that up before, but glad I didn't make the mistake of buying that soil!
That's not true actually, Daniel was given to eat the king's meat and drink the king's wine so he'd be healthy (the Babylonians thought) when presented to the king three years later.
Daniel asked instead to eat pace, which is vegetables, and to drink water, for ten days, and then compare his appearance if it was not better than others. And how much Faith is required to stand in a den of lions?
Daniel asked instead to eat pace, which is vegetables, and to drink water, for ten days, and then compare his appearance if it was not better than others. And how much Faith is required to stand in a den of lions?