still think 9 11 was a conspiracy?

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jaybird88

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Going rogue? I guess that means I don't believe in the million man conspiracy and cover-up? You guys ever think that maybe im a agent for the government and come on this site to help cover-up for their crimes?
mitz your a rogue. i dont know what that means i just like saying rogue.
 
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Mitspa

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Maybe its all a conspiracy?

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Lol a friend of mine had a passport, not sure if he still does or not, haven't seen him since summer. They are pretty hardy though. I get your point, one would think they'd be toast, but it's not inconceivable that the passport got flung from the building and buried or somehow survived the whole event. If the terrorist in question was at the front of the plane when it collided it's feasible his passport got flung far enough away from the fire, maybe even out of the building. All that is kinda speculative though, all we know for certainty is that they got that passport.

Lol indeed let us move on to the foreign implications of 9/11. I guess before we start going hardcore on this tangent, we should open up with our basic views, and I'm kinda curious given your position on 9/11 what your knowledge and views are thus far of Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.

My view is Bin Laden masterminded 9/11. He was head of Al Qaeda which is a hardcore Islamic faction. He comes from a wealthy and famous Saudi family and before 9/11 was seen as a war hero in that part of the world for his involvement in the war against the USSR. Bin Laden was also highly intelligent despite the obvious evil he caused. Thus Bin Laden had ample means to conduct the attacks and also to have hid for almost 11 years due to his connections and reputation in the Middle East.
My view of the Taliban is they also are a hardcore Islamic faction, but that they were more nationalistic and focused on Afghanistan and Pakistan whereas Al Qaeda and Bin Laden had a wider, more globalist type view.
As for Saudi Arabia I believe the Saudi involvement is the only real conspiracy theory left to 9/11 as it is well known the 28 pages that are to this day classified of the 9/11 Commission deal with Saudi Arabian involvement. My overall view of Saudi Arabia aside from the 9/11 stuff is that it is easily the most wicked nation/government on earth at the current time.
As for Pakistan I believe it clearly obvious that they were shielding Bin Laden for some years and that for him to have been found where he was and in the manner he was found that the Pakistani government had to have been involved. Though this becomes murky as the Pakistan government is in a state of semi-anarchy with various political and religious factions competing against each other within the Pakistani government.
Interesting views my friend.

My views are that Osama Bin Laden was most likely a CIA operative (named Tim Osman? Idk if I adhere to that belief). While all of the terrorist groups in existence today are quite real, I believe that at the top of many of these groups (especially the most powerful ones), there are US/NATO puppeteers and U.S. government funding.

I believe there's evidence of Osama's involvement with the US through his impossible escapes from US forces. (especially the shoot-out where he managed to "slip away")

Also, the US'/NATO's response to terrorist forces have also been a sign to me that all is not what it appears to be. Anyone with an IQ of 50 knows that you cannot defeat a guerrilla force as advanced/populated as ISIS or Al-quada with brute force, yet the only approach the US/NATO has had to these terrorist organizations has been isolated bombing runs and destructive occupations, turning the everyday civilians of these occupied countries into terrorists. There has actually been a 6,500% increase in Islamic radicals, and we are probably mostly to blame

What we are doing is the equivalent of the scenario where Bloods/Crips have committed violent crimes in China, and as a result, the Chinese have invaded Texas to attack only the Bloods/Crips. Their uninvited (and often times, unfriendly/disrespectful/violent) occupation would turn most Americans against China, who probably wouldn't have even cared about China's existence on the other side of the world. Fortunately, the Bloods/Crips are carrying on active campaigns against China and all Americans who are tired of being harassed by these new suppressors are invited to join and fight for their freedom.
 
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jaybird88

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Interesting views my friend.

My views are that Osama Bin Laden was most likely a CIA operative (named Tim Osman? Idk if I adhere to that belief). While all of the terrorist groups in existence today are quite real, I believe that at the top of many of these groups (especially the most powerful ones), there are US/NATO puppeteers and U.S. government funding.

I believe there's evidence of Osama's involvement with the US through his impossible escapes from US forces. (especially the shoot-out where he managed to "slip away")
isnt there plenty of "official" info that the US did fund al qaeda back in the 70s and 80s in Afghanistan against the Soviets?
 
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Going rogue? I guess that means I don't believe in the million man conspiracy and cover-up? You guys ever think that maybe im a agent for the government and come on this site to help cover-up for their crimes?
That has crossed my mind:p
 
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isnt there plenty of "official" info that the US did fund al qaeda back in the 70s and 80s in Afghanistan against the Soviets?
Yes there most certainly is lol but I believe they continue to be funded to this day.
 
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Going rogue? I guess that means I don't believe in the million man conspiracy and cover-up? You guys ever think that maybe im a agent for the government and come on this site to help cover-up for their crimes?
Nah you aren't slaughtering a ton of kids. You're just not the U.S.'s style.

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Yes there most certainly is lol but I believe they continue to be funded to this day.
i believe they are as well but when people like us say that, everyone screams ignorance . . urm i mean conspiracy theorist. but the point i was making, the connection back in the 80s is supported by mainstream circles therefor non believers cant just point and say conspiracy.
 
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isnt there plenty of "official" info that the US did fund al qaeda back in the 70s and 80s in Afghanistan against the Soviets?
And also @Bushido:

Indeed it is well known Bin Laden and pretty much all the major foreign actors aforementioned received support from the USA. Lol but never heard that Osama was a guy named Tim Osman before though lol. I would posit that concurrent to Islamic beliefs rather than a puppet to the US the Islamic factions have no qualms over taking some guns from America to the Soviets and then promptly turning them on us. I think its moreso the government is incompetent as Mitspa hints but that it is because of the Constitution. US government are secularist because of the US Constitution and therefore they cannot recognize Islam is a malefactor trying to kill them and us. Indeed modern history is full of islam betraying people from the point of Yathrib massacre onward. Not even just Bin Laden did this, but also Saudi Arabia and Pakistan clearly do this as well.

Here is a good documentary from back when History Channel was about history. I think a pretty good starting point in our analysis of the Foreign Factor analysis of the Soviet Afghan War and the ensuing Afghan Civil War which indeed is somewhat the starting point of the more modern problems. Mindful this is moreso about the Taliban, but the other major factions and nations are also seen here, and this documentary is pretty good for analysis of pre-9/11. Also features a wide range of key witnesses and many now declassified things from both West and Soviet governments of that era for ya'll Cold War greyheads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOmSx7l2ae0
[video=youtube;EOmSx7l2ae0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOmSx7l2ae0[/video]

Obvious warning, scenes of war.
 
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blue_ladybug

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So who is it that is going rogue? Which side are you referring to? Im just trying to be clear here with your understanding

I wouldn't say anybody has gone rogue. Mitspa has his beliefs about 911, and y'all have yours. Was it a conspiracy? Maybe, maybe not. But there ARE a whole lot of unanswered questions and strange things that don't add up, even to this day. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, even if others don't agree with it..
 
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Mitspa

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i believe they are as well but when people like us say that, everyone screams ignorance . . urm i mean conspiracy theorist. but the point i was making, the connection back in the 80s is supported by mainstream circles therefor non believers cant just point and say conspiracy.
No its clear we supported anyone that would fight against the Russians coming into the middle east. Different time and different security concerns.
 
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Mitspa

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I wouldn't say anybody has gone rogue. Mitspa has his beliefs about 911, and y'all have yours. Was it a conspiracy? Maybe, maybe not. But there ARE a whole lot of unanswered questions and strange things that don't add up, even to this day. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, even if others don't agree with it..
But Blue ..much of this borders on treason and at the very least defamation of a whole multitude of people .... I have not seen any question left to be unanswered ..that would really make these accusations reasonable?
 
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Mitspa

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And also @Bushido:

Indeed it is well known Bin Laden and pretty much all the major foreign actors aforementioned received support from the USA. Lol but never heard that Osama was a guy named Tim Osman before though lol. I would posit that concurrent to Islamic beliefs rather than a puppet to the US the Islamic factions have no qualms over taking some guns from America to the Soviets and then promptly turning them on us. I think its moreso the government is incompetent as Mitspa hints but that it is because of the Constitution. US government are secularist because of the US Constitution and therefore they cannot recognize Islam is a malefactor trying to kill them and us. Indeed modern history is full of islam betraying people from the point of Yathrib massacre onward. Not even just Bin Laden did this, but also Saudi Arabia and Pakistan clearly do this as well.

Here is a good documentary from back when History Channel was about history. I think a pretty good starting point in our analysis of the Foreign Factor analysis of the Soviet Afghan War and the ensuing Afghan Civil War which indeed is somewhat the starting point of the more modern problems. Mindful this is moreso about the Taliban, but the other major factions and nations are also seen here, and this documentary is pretty good for analysis of pre-9/11. Also features a wide range of key witnesses and many now declassified things from both West and Soviet governments of that era for ya'll Cold War greyheads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOmSx7l2ae0
[video=youtube;EOmSx7l2ae0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOmSx7l2ae0[/video]

Obvious warning, scenes of war.
Don't forget according to the conspiracy folks this religion over a thousand years old...was all started by the CIA before we was even a country .... They don't really hate us like they say...They work for the CIA
 
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So who is it that is going rogue? Which side are you referring to? Im just trying to be clear here with your understanding
Let's just say that it's rather impossible for someone to show themselves to be completely level-headed with common sense to at the same time be so narrow-minded to not see the simple truths of 9-11. There's something wrong when someone does this..... something not truthful.

rogue - Definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

* a ​person, ​organization, or ​country that does not ​behave in the ​usual or ​acceptable way:

* behaving in ​ways that are not ​expected or not ​normal, often in a way that ​causesdamage
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Don't you agree Mitspa's not acting in his usual manner?



 
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Don't forget according to the conspiracy folks this religion over a thousand years old...was all started by the CIA before we was even a country .... They don't really hate us like they say...They work for the CIA
What a lie..... everybody knows the CIA was created immediately after WWII with SS personnel. That's a total fabrication.
 
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KennethC

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Of course its credible and im not sure why your so far behind on the latest conspiracy knowledge ..but the rest of the conspiracy bunch knows its true.
How is it credible Mitspa ???

The man gave no sources, no documents, nothing to prove His points, so how does that make it credible and not just a persons opinions ???

You can do a quick research to see Walker is their cousin, which he claimed he could not find out, and also claimed Bush left the company a year before 911 when documents can be looked up on sites showing he did not leave tell Feb. 2001.

Anybody can watch that video and see the man gave no sources to back up his claims !!!


Blue thats a conspiracy site that makes all sorts of claims...if they have these secret tapes ..why do they not show them? Instead they claim some high level government official told them about these tapes..of course no names...no tapes..no way to check out what they are claiming ... I think I seen a article on that site that claims pot cures cancer ... is that true too?
Also pot does not cure cancer and have never seen such a claim be made...........

It is giving to people with cancer to help lessen the painful effects of chemo !!!
 

blue_ladybug

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How is it credible Mitspa ???

The man gave no sources, no documents, nothing to prove His points, so how does that make it credible and not just a persons opinions ???

You can do a quick research to see Walker is their cousin, which he claimed he could not find out, and also claimed Bush left the company a year before 911 when documents can be looked up on sites showing he did not leave tell Feb. 2001.

Anybody can watch that video and see the man gave no sources to back up his claims !!!




Also pot does not cure cancer and have never seen such a claim be made...........

It is given to people with cancer to help lessen the painful effects of chemo!!


​That is totally true. Thank goodness I didn't have to do chemo or rads when I had cancer. :) And now pot has been legalized for medicinal use..
 
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KennethC

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How is it credible Mitspa ???

The man gave no sources, no documents, nothing to prove His points, so how does that make it credible and not just a persons opinions ???

You can do a quick research to see Walker is their cousin, which he claimed he could not find out, and also claimed Bush left the company a year before 911 when documents can be looked up on sites showing he did not leave tell Feb. 2001.

Anybody can watch that video and see the man gave no sources to back up his claims !!!




Also pot does not cure cancer and have never seen such a claim be made...........

It is given to people with cancer to help lessen the painful effects of chemo!!


​That is totally true. Thank goodness I didn't have to do chemo or rads when I had cancer. :) And now pot has been legalized for medicinal use..

Yeah not to derail the thread but I got into a debate on another thread hear about my spouse, because a judge ruled and a doctor signed off on allowing her to use marijuana for her chemo she went through for cervical cancer.

They tried to call me a liar and everything else !!!
 

blue_ladybug

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Yeah not to derail the thread but I got into a debate on another thread hear about my spouse, because a judge ruled and a doctor signed off on allowing her to use marijuana for her chemo she went through for cervical cancer.

They tried to call me a liar and everything else !!!

Then they're misinformed because legalized pot for medicinal use has been in effect in alot of states for quite awhile now. You DO need a prescription to get it though.