Vote on Obsession with confession(1st John 1:9,sin confession)

[FreeNChrist]

Confession of sin starts at recognising a problem in ones life that needs dealing with. God has forgiven us and accepted us through Christ, but often we need to change in areas we are not aware of so sin looses its hold.

An example I heard yesterday was an alcoholic who confessed when he had one drink, he felt a massive urge to have another, and just could not stop. The answer for him was total abstinance.

For me I can have one glass and sometimes not even that with no desire for more, so this is not a problem at all, so we carry different behaviour issues and handling tactics.

Dealing with sin can be just as varied and complex, but this is about being real with our struggles and putting our hearts in the right place. Confession is the first step. AAA they start with the phrase, "I am an alcoholic."

It works.

He is not saying that we should not agree with God when it comes to problems in our lives. But he is saying that don't think that because you have a problem area in your life that you don't still have God's love and acceptance in Christ.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

It's not an issue of being emotionally healed, but being spiritually healed. If a person sins after coming to the faith, there is a spiritual problem that needs healing. There is no strength in a past forgiveness to make that happen.

You were spiritually healed when you were reborn.

You would be left with emotion.

Whether you are raised to eternal life or condemnation none of us have received our bodies yet, and until then we still sin In the body but the reborn Christian Is In the body of CHRIST and the blood of JESUS washes us clean.+++ 1st John 1:7

Renew your mind by looking into the spiritual mirror "the bible"the WORD of GOD and believe what It says about you and start moving toward being righteous conscious.

 

[FreeNChrist]

You can't show me anywhere in scripture that says you yourself are the righteousness of GOD.

You've already been shown many times. You just refuse to accept the plain meaning of scripture and need to spin it to make it align with your own peculiar belief system.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You've already been shown many times. You just refuse to accept the plain meaning of scripture and need to spin it to make it align with your own peculiar belief system.

The standard cop-out when no scriptural evidence can be produced.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Romans 10:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

Good scripture.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You were spiritually healed when you were reborn.

If a person sins, that indicates a person is not spiritually whole. Damage has occurred and needs to be healed.

 

[FreeNChrist]

The standard cop-out when no scriptural evidence can be produced.

The standard denial of reality....

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Confession of sin starts at recognising a problem in ones life that needs dealing with. God has forgiven us and accepted us through Christ, but often we need to change in areas we are not aware of so sin looses its hold.

An example I heard yesterday was an alcoholic who confessed when he had one drink, he felt a massive urge to have another, and just could not stop. The answer for him was total abstinance.

For me I can have one glass and sometimes not even that with no desire for more, so this is not a problem at all, so we carry different behaviour issues and handling tactics.

Dealing with sin can be just as varied and complex, but this is about being real with our struggles and putting our hearts in the right place. Confession is the first step. AAA they start with the phrase, "I am an alcoholic."

It works.

Romans 12:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2.And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[Grace777x70]

One last time for the Gipper....then no more...it's a waste of time..

Romans 5:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Romans 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 8:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Romans 9:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Romans 10:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 14:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the kingdom of God ( Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within you..He might know a thing or two ) is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 1:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Galatians 2:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

Ephesians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

Ephesians 4:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.

Ok..that's enough..there are tons more....

 

[Grace777x70]

And the all time favorite is....every tongue that arises to condemn us about righteousness...will itself be condemned....for our righteousness is of the Lord Himself!



Isaiah 54:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

If a person sins, that indicates a person is not spiritually whole. Damage has occurred and needs to be healed.

Sounds like you are talking about renewing your mind unless you are saying GOD did not save you to the uttermost.

 

[sparkman]

Sin interrupts our communion with God, but does not cause us to lose our union with Christ.

Confession is essential to experiencing the peace that is interrupted when we sin. Our relationship with God is affected by sin issues in our life. We do not experience the relational aspect of our faith when we are caught up in sin.

Think about it this way. If a man does things that are inappropriate in his relationship with his wife, they affect the relationship, even though the man is still married to his wife. Confession to the wife and requesting forgiveness should result in a restoration of the relationship, and possibly even a strengthening of it. The man is acknowledging these acts of betrayal in the relationship, and expressing sorrow for them, and asking for a restoration of the relationship.

I know that in many human relationships, admitting such transgressions results in hard feelings and maybe even a termination in the relationship. Our human relationships are damaged through the Fall, and forgiveness is something that a wife may not extend. However, in the ideal world, this is the way it should be. We humans don't relate to each other in the way that we should.

In addition, confession leads to cleansing by God. I think this is a reference to an active sanctification that God is performing on our behalf as we yield ourselves to him.

Just so my remarks are not misinterpreted, I don't think Christians lose their salvation. Their unity with Christ is not dissolved by sin. However, our communion or experience of relationship closeness to God is affect by our acts of sin, which are betrayals of the relationship. In a relationship sense, we are forgiven when we confess, and cleansing occurs. I think this cleansing relates to sanctification to separate us from the propensity of committing the sin.

There is a sense that repentance is a one-time thing which occurs when we come to faith, but our mind is continually being changed as we are conformed to the image of Christ. Confession is an integral part of this, and is not a denial of the one-time event that occurs at the moment of salvation. Confession in the continuing sense is more concerned with a continuation of the close relationship experience with God. If a Christian is sinning and not confessing his acts of betrayal, they are not being cleansed of their sin like they should be.

See I John 1:8-9.

This is one of many topics that I strongly dislike about the hyper-grace camp. While reacting against one extreme, they swerve over into the opposite ditch. Confession is connected strongly to a healthy relationship with God.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Love GOD and love your neighbor.
God forgave the reborn Christian once and for all those that believe In the WORD that he sent to earth and In the flesh but your neighbor may not forgive you and so you are probably talking about the second commandment for a reborn Christian.

 

[Grace777x70]

Repentance is an on-going event in every Christian life!..I repent constantly....If I am doing something harmful..I repent....I also repent every time I find out a new truth about Jesus and His salvation. I am constantly renewing my mind.

That is one of the myths of the so-called hyper-grace believers..

here is a link below that addresses that issue if anyone is interested..

Myth 1: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Repentance – Escape to Reality

Sin interrupts our communion with God, but does not cause us to lose our union with Christ.

Confession is essential to experiencing the peace that is interrupted when we sin. Our relationship with God is affected by sin issues in our life. We do not experience the relational aspect of our faith when we are caught up in sin.

Think about it this way. If a man does things that are inappropriate in his relationship with his wife, they affect the relationship, even though the man is still married to his wife. Confession to the wife and requesting forgiveness should result in a restoration of the relationship, and possibly even a strengthening of it. The man is acknowledging these acts of betrayal in the relationship, and expressing sorrow for them, and asking for a restoration of the relationship.

I know that in many human relationships, admitting such transgressions results in hard feelings and maybe even a termination in the relationship. Our human relationships are damaged through the Fall, and forgiveness is something that a wife may not extend. However, in the ideal world, this is the way it should be. We humans don't relate to each other in the way that we should.

In addition, confession leads to cleansing by God. I think this is a reference to an active sanctification that God is performing on our behalf as we yield ourselves to him.

Just so my remarks are not misinterpreted, I don't think Christians lose their salvation. Their unity with Christ is not dissolved by sin. However, our communion or experience of relationship closeness to God is affect by our acts of sin, which are betrayals of the relationship. In a relationship sense, we are forgiven when we confess, and cleansing occurs. I think this cleansing relates to sanctification to separate us from the propensity of committing the sin.

There is a sense that repentance is a one-time thing which occurs when we come to faith, but our mind is continually being changed as we are conformed to the image of Christ. Confession is an integral part of this, and is not a denial of the one-time event that occurs at the moment of salvation. Confession in the continuing sense is more concerned with a continuation of the close relationship experience with God. If a Christian is sinning and not confessing his acts of betrayal, they are not being cleansed of their sin like they should be.

See I John 1:8-9.

This is one of many topics that I strongly dislike about the hyper-grace camp. While reacting against one extreme, they swerve over into the opposite ditch. Confession is connected strongly to a healthy relationship with God.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

In the poll,there are three options to choose from and It looks like the majority Is In favor of option 3.

Option 1 Is talking about being righteous consciousness knowing GOD forgave you of your sins once.

Option 2 Is talking about feeling condemnation and being sin conscious with a need to fulfill a spiritual requirement that gives the person a feeling of being In right standing with GOD.

So I hope people are choosing option 3"other" because of love your neighbor,and I hope they are not saying they feel the need to continually confess to GOD who has forgiven them already,thereby fulfilling a spiritual requirement that gives them a feeling of I'm In right standing with GOD.

 

[sparkman]

Repentance is an on-going event in every Christian life!..I repent constantly....If I am doing something harmful..I repent....I also repent every time I find out a new truth about Jesus and His salvation. I am constantly renewing my mind.

That is one of the myths of the so-called hyper-grace believers..

here is a link below that addresses that issue if anyone is interested..

Myth 1: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Repentance – Escape to Reality

In particular they are against confession. They claim that a Christian who confesses and asks forgiveness for a sin after salvation lacks faith.

The misunderstanding is that those who practice confession believe it continues their salvation. The ones that I know do not think this. They believe it is a relationship issue..that our closeness to God is affected by our sins. In other words the person's communion with God is affected, instead of their union with Christ, which remains intact. Involvement with sin is against the new nature, which wants to obey and love God, and results in a relational distancing. The solution isn't denying that this relational distancing exists; it is in confession, asking for forgiveness, and being cleansed by God.

Someone recommend Bob George and he brought up this point within the first 15 minutes of the message. That was it for me. Others may think he's a great teacher but if he takes this position, he's unworthy of listening to.

 

[sparkman]

In the poll,there are three options to choose from and It looks like the majority Is In favor of option 3.

Option 1 Is talking about being righteous consciousness knowing GOD forgave you of your sins once.

Option 2 Is talking about feeling condemnation and being sin conscious with a need to fulfill a spiritual requirement that gives the person a feeling of being In right standing with GOD.

So I hope people are choosing option 3"other" because of love your neighbor,and I hope they are not saying they feel the need to continually confess to GOD who has forgiven them already,thereby fulfilling a spiritual requirement that gives them a feeling of I'm In right standing with GOD.

My position is that we need to confess our sins regularly to remain in a good relationship with God, not a right standing. The right standing has already been given when the person was justified through accepting the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ on their behalf. However, the relationship with God in terms of experiential relationship is affected by sin. The person who is caught up in the sin needs to confess it, ask forgiveness in a relational sense, and be cleansed.

So, if your wording would have said "right relationship" rather than "right standing" I would agreed with option two. In terms of legal standing, the person is still justified regardless of the sin. However, they are not in right relationship and confession and asking for forgiveness is how this relationship issue is dealt with. God then cleanses them of the sin.

So, your wording led to my choice of "Other".

 

[Grace777x70]

I haven't heard of grace believers being against "confession"...we believe it is good for us...I believe confession is a relational issue too...altho I think the "distance" we feel when we sin..is due to our minds and not God distancing Himself from us....that's a common fallacy..He is not afraid of sin....but continuing in sin is destructive to us..

That is Myth #2 about what grace believers are against confession..

Here is a link that explains all this out..

Myth 2: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Confession – Escape to Reality

In particular they are against confession. They claim that a Christian who confesses and asks forgiveness for a sin after salvation lacks faith.

The misunderstanding is that those who practice confession believe it continues their salvation. The ones that I know do not think this. They believe it is a relationship issue..that our closeness to God is affected by our sins. In other words the person's communion with God is affected, instead of their union with Christ, which remains intact. Involvement with sin is against the new nature, which wants to obey and love God, and results in a relational distancing. The solution isn't denying that this relational distancing exists; it is in confession, asking for forgiveness, and being cleansed by God.

Someone recommend Bob George and he brought up this point within the first 15 minutes of the message. That was it for me. Others may think he's a great teacher but if he takes this position, he's unworthy of listening to.

 

[KennethC]

We already have a thread on the subject"Obsession with confession"(1st John 1:9,sin confession) but I was wondering what a poll would say.

Your name will NOT be shown so you can vote without revealing who you are so that all we will see Is what the poll shows.

I can not answer because the question is vague...........

Are you referring to a one time confession for a sin, or confessing for the same sin over and over again ???

We only need to make confession for a sin once, but we need to make a confession for each sin we have done. Meaning if you confess for telling a lie today, that confession does not cover if you steal tomorrow.

The reason for repentance and confession is to be made is to show we acknowledge those sinful ways and want to turn from them. To not acknowledge one's sins is dangerous as it can and does keep one as a slave to their sinful ways !!!

 

[sparkman]

I haven't heard of grace believers being against "confession"...we believe it is good for us...I believe confession is a relational issue too...altho I think the "distance" we feel when we sin..is due to our minds and not God distancing Himself from us....that's a common fallacy..He is not afraid of sin....but continuing in sin is destructive to us..

That is Myth #2 about what grace believers are against confession..

Here is a link that explains all this out..

Myth 2: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Confession – Escape to Reality

Bob George must have been out of class when this one was taught. Him, and at least two other regular hyper-grace contributors here.