Is there a sabbath day for Christians?

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prove-all

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Re: Sabbath

False! God is not looking for signs from us, and neither should we. .That we exemplify and take on the character of Jesus Christ is what we ought to be doing. That is sign enough!
That we exemplify and take on the character of Jesus Christ is what we ought to be doing. That is sign enough!
That we exemplify and take on the character of Jesus Christ is what we ought to be doing. That is sign enoug

well the only sign [we] where given to know what was right and wrong,

was not the celebration of easter sunrise service.


and as Jesus custom and example was, teaching in a place where worship to be had,

on the Sabbath day, and because of Christs blood, told to keep a feast.
 
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well the only sign [we] where given to know what was right and wrong,

was not the celebration of easter sunrise service.


and as Jesus custom and example was, teaching in a place where worship to be had,

on the Sabbath day, and because of Christs blood, told to keep a feast.
From what I can decipher of your post, I see a very skewed viewpoint...one that is not enlightened by the Spirit of God. We have not been told to keep any feasts.


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#83
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From what I can decipher of your post, I see a very skewed viewpoint...one that is not enlightened by the Spirit of God. We have not been told to keep any feasts.
They basically said that Jesus commanded us to "Do this in remembrance of me."
 
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They basically said that Jesus commanded us to "Do this in remembrance of me."
The communion is not a feast, nor is it commemorated as a feast day.
 
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Thank you for posting this information as it is another illustration of Who Did It> the illegitimate transfer of "solemnity" (Catholic Term) from Saturday (7th Day) to Sunday (1st Day).
Daniel 7:25 And he (Anti-Christ) shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The Law of the 7th Day Sabbath>>The Roman Catholic Church has successfully deceived most churches into Sunday worship.
The Time>> We have also been deceived into abandoning Yehovah's reckoning of time. The 24 hour day was changed from starting at sundown to starting at 12:01 (Midnight). The new year went to Jan 1st rather from Yehovah's month of the Aviv ( Barley ripe in Jerusalem). We have been deceived into using a Solar year of 365 days instead of Yehovah's Lunar based month.
This is anti-christ!

Again, the Roman Catholic Church had nothing to do with any change from Saturday to Sunday. They claimed to make such changes, but they also claim Peter was the first Pope.


The Roman Catholic church did not even exist as we know it until about AD 600. It didn't have the power to make those types of changes. It was only one bishopric of five until about AD 600.

In addition, Daniel 7:25 is talking about something that is an end time event, and you are reading into the verse your own presupposition that the Roman Catholic church changed the Sabbath to Sunday.

This is typical Sabbathkeeping propaganda. The vast majority of Christians, other than a heretical sect called the Ebionites, were already meeting on Sunday prior to 150 AD. Even the SDA historian Samuele Bacchiocchi acknowledged this.

This is the same historical revisionism that I was fed as a Sabbathkeeper. That's how they create their conspiracy theory view...bad hermeneutics and a very ignorant view of history. They interpret history to fit their presuppositions. It's the same thing that every cult does.
 
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Galatians 4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Galatians 5:1-6 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Romans 3:20-24 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Romans 7:4-6 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Galatians 2:4-5 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: to whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

There. Glad that matter's resolved.
 
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Galatians 4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Galatians 5:1-6 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Romans 3:20-24 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Romans 7:4-6 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Galatians 2:4-5 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: to whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

There. Glad that matter's resolved.
Good set of verses, but most Sabbathkeepers will claim that Galatians switches backwards and forwards between addressing Judaizers and addressing their pagan beliefs. So, they would claim that the reference to days, and months, and times, and years is referring to pagan observances and not the Old Covenant. However, they have to play games to do that. :)
 
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Good set of verses, but most Sabbathkeepers will claim that Galatians switches backwards and forwards between addressing Judaizers and addressing their pagan beliefs. So, they would claim that the reference to days, and months, and times, and years is referring to pagan observances and not the Old Covenant. However, they have to play games to do that. :)
The sum total of statements regarding the law, that it cannot possibly justify, that the whole law must be perfectly kept, period, not simply a sabbath, and that one will fail at this, 100% the human experience in all of history, that the law is bondage: there's a lot in those verses that put the lie to this singular notion days aren't days in one verse, or a sabbath isn't a sabbath? And you just ignore the rest of the entire Bible context? (I've heard it all, dogs that don't hunt. It becomes too silly, like the Bible just doesn't mean what it says. These people do not understand scripture that's in their face, which is a very fearful sign.)

You can't get around the freedom to esteem every day alike, if one is so persuaded, that circumcision is nothing, etc. You have the whole reason the blood of Christ was required they fail to understand. You have Gentiles who seem to think they're Israel, a grotesque and tragic case of mistaken identity, with respect to the Old Testament law which was, incidentally, only delivered to Israel by God. All arguments against clear scripture admonitions are, in the end, contrived, contorted and false. It's saved by grace, or not saved by grace. Bottom line, they're pushing the bondage of legalism Paul abundantly warns against, and for narcissistic reasons, power and control issues that are, actually, of a Satanic nature, involving a form of self deification, perceived power and control, modern day Pharisees who perceive they have special merit in the cults they belong to, but that's another discussion.
 
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Dear Sparkman:
My view of the "True Gospel' greatly differs from yours. Yashua is not the Gospel but the messenger who brought the Good News of the coming Kingdom of God on the new earth. Yashua is the ruler of God's kingdom forever. To believe the Gospel you have to believe that Yashua is the only begotten Son of God the Father, was crucified and paid the penalty of death for our sins, was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, was resurrected and sits at the right hand of the Father and at the end of the age will rule his Father's kingdom on earth forever. This soon-coming kingdom is the core of the very gospel that Christ brought.




 
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Dear Sparkman:
My view of the "True Gospel' greatly differs from yours. Yashua is not the Gospel but the messenger who brought the Good News of the coming Kingdom of God on the new earth. Yashua is the ruler of God's kingdom forever. To believe the Gospel you have to believe that Yashua is the only begotten Son of God the Father, was crucified and paid the penalty of death for our sins, was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, was resurrected and sits at the right hand of the Father and at the end of the age will rule his Father's kingdom on earth forever. This soon-coming kingdom is the core of the very gospel that Christ brought.




You can argue about it all you want, and act as though you have superior knowledge, but the reality is that evangelical Christians know about the personal salvation message AND the millennial reign of Jesus Christ.

Armstrongites taught me that other Christians were ignorant about these things. I am guessing that Messianic Jews and Hebrew Roots people teach the same stupidity. Evangelical Christians are well aware of all of these aspects of the Kingdom of God.

By the way, minimizing the personal salvation aspect is what Judaizers do...to the point where they are placing Jesus Christ on the backburner, and worshipping the Law instead of Jesus Christ. That is part of why I am no longer one of you.

That is why they call him the Living Torah, reducing him to some type of animated written code. They totally distort John's words in this regard. John 1:1-3 refers to the Logos, the divine force which ordered the universe, not the Living Torah. The Logos pointed to Jesus' role as the Creator.

By the way, I hope you believe Jesus is co-equal with God the Father, and is one of the three Persons of the Trinity. Otherwise, you are really off track. The wording that you used doesn't seem to indicate that you have placed Jesus Christ in his proper role as fully God. Perhaps I am mistaken though.

He is not only the son of God; he is fully God, and the fullness of deity dwells in Him in bodily form (Colossians 2:9).

By the way, holy names do nothing for me. They are phylacteries that are not on your foreheads but on your tongues. You want everyone to think you have superior knowledge, so you use Hebrew words to proclaim it.
 
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Dear Sparkman:
My view of the "True Gospel' greatly differs from yours. Yashua is not the Gospel but the messenger who brought the Good News of the coming Kingdom of God on the new earth. Yashua is the ruler of God's kingdom forever. To believe the Gospel you have to believe that Yashua is the only begotten Son of God the Father, was crucified and paid the penalty of death for our sins, was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, was resurrected and sits at the right hand of the Father and at the end of the age will rule his Father's kingdom on earth forever. This soon-coming kingdom is the core of the very gospel that Christ brought.





Jesus > fully man fully God.
 

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Where people make a mistake these days is not learning to think. Galatians is a great book and speaks about how no one can be saved by the works of the law, that is both ceremonial and Moral aspects. Where the thinking stops is that people think that if we are not saved by keeping it then that equals not having to keep it. The reality is this is a bad equation.

For example, we are told to love our neighbor as ourselves. But you have a problem if someone starts to love their neighbor in order to be saved or righteous in the eyes of God.

Now Galatians very clearly is most concerned with circumcision being forced on the Galatians. But the reality is Galatians would read much the same if instead of Circumcision the Jewish converts were pushing loving your neighbor in order to be saved. The Issue of Galatians is an attitude one more than anything.

Lets say that they were saying you have to do curtain things like helping the poor or feeding the hungry to be saved. Then the very same arguments Paul gives in Galatians may be used here. But would that mean that feeding the hungry should not be done? no. rather it will not earn you salvation nor give you any merit before God.
 
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You might be a Jesuit if you defend the transference of Saturday Sabbath to Sunday or dismiss the Sabbath as of no importance.
You might be a Jesuit if you defend the Trinity.
You might be a Jesuit if you say the 10 Commandments have been done away with.
You might be a Jesuit if you believe a Gospel different from what Yashau and the Apostles preached.
You might be a Jesuit if you think Yashua is autonomous and doesn't get his power and authority from God the Father.
 
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You might be a Jesuit if you defend the transference of Saturday Sabbath to Sunday or dismiss the Sabbath as of no importance.
You might be a Jesuit if you defend the Trinity.
You might be a Jesuit if you say the 10 Commandments have been done away with.
You might be a Jesuit if you believe a Gospel different from what Yashau and the Apostles preached.
You might be a Jesuit if you think Yashua is autonomous and doesn't get his power and authority from God the Father.
You might be a Judaizer if you claim that the Sabbath, festivals and clean/unclean meat laws are requirements of salvation.
You might be a heretic if you deny the Trinity.
You might be a Jesuit if you deny justification by faith alone.
You might be an Arian if you deny that Jesus is fully God.
You might be a Judaizer if you teach a false gospel of works related to the Old Covenant which add to the finished work of Jesus Christ per Galatians 1:6-7.
 
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sparkman

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Loving your neighbor or feeding the hungry is a fruit of salvation, not a cause of it, and these things are involved in Christian service, not the works of the Mosaic Covenant. Two different things.

The issue with the Galatians related to ceremonial or ritualistic aspects of the Mosaic Covenant, such as circumcision. The Mosaic Covenant is not in effect anymore (Acts 15, Ephesians 2:13-15, II Corinthians 3, Hebrews 8 and 9, Galatians 3 and 4). A lot of the laws were based on spiritual and moral principles, and while the specific applications to the children of Israel don't apply, a Spirit-led Christian can discern the spiritual and moral principles and use them for guidance.

There's a difference between enforcing ceremonial and ritualistic elements of the Old Covenant, and performing works of Christian service. There's also a difference between a carnal Israelite and a spirit led Christian. The Old Covenant law was meant for carnal children, and not converted, spirit-led Christians. As Galatians 3 says, it was only in effect until Christ came. It was like a schoolmaster to lead the Jews to faith, and after it did that, it had served its purpose.

By the way, Romans 7:1-7 addresses this issue of the Mosaic Covenant. You make the remark that because it's not required for salvation, it doesn't mean you don't have to keep it (seems like you are engaging in double talk there because you are in fact saying it is required - look at your underlined phrase below). With regards to the Mosaic Covenant, Christians are dead to the Law, and it no longer applies.

Notice that Romans 7 talks about what is binding...the Law is no longer binding upon the New Covenant Christian. He has died to the Law, so that he can serve in the new way of the Spirit. The things you mentioned regarding feeding the poor and loving your neighbor are part of Christian service, not of the written code which included physical circumcision, Sabbaths, festivals, clean and unclean meat laws, animal sacrifices, and all the ceremonial and ritualistic aspects of the law.

See Romans 7:1-7:
7 Or do you not know, brothers[SUP][a][/SUP]—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? [SUP]2 [/SUP]For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]3 [/SUP]Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.[SUP][c][/SUP]

Where people make a mistake these days is not learning to think. Galatians is a great book and speaks about how no one can be saved by the works of the law, that is both ceremonial and Moral aspects. Where the thinking stops is that people think that if we are not saved by keeping it then that equals not having to keep it. The reality is this is a bad equation.

For example, we are told to love our neighbor as ourselves. But you have a problem if someone starts to love their neighbor in order to be saved or righteous in the eyes of God.

Now Galatians very clearly is most concerned with circumcision being forced on the Galatians. But the reality is Galatians would read much the same if instead of Circumcision the Jewish converts were pushing loving your neighbor in order to be saved. The Issue of Galatians is an attitude one more than anything.

Lets say that they were saying you have to do curtain things like helping the poor or feeding the hungry to be saved. Then the very same arguments Paul gives in Galatians may be used here. But would that mean that feeding the hungry should not be done? no. rather it will not earn you salvation nor give you any merit before God.
 
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Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, if you love Him why not Honor that day He is Lord of.
 
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seems theres a lot of meology going on.
 
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sparkman

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Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, if you love Him why not Honor that day He is Lord of.
I honor the risen Lord on the day that he rose, just like the NT church did.

If you can show me one place where there was a Christian meeting after the resurrection on the Sabbath, I'd be interested in seeing it. I can produce several where the church met on the first day of the week.

Note: Paul met with unconverted Jews in the synagogues eight times on the Sabbath, but they were unconverted and he preached the Gospel to them. On one occasion, he met with Jewish women alongside the river on the Sabbath.

Sabbath-breaking was never mentioned as a sin in the sin lists to the Gentiles. In addition, II Corinthians 3, Galatians 3 and 4, Romans 7:1-6, Ephesians 2:13-15 and Acts 15 all say that the Old Covenant isn't applicable to New Covenant Christians.

"Lord of the Sabbath" implies that he created the Sabbath, so those who were criticizing him for what he did on the Sabbath were practicing futile reasoning. The Sabbath is no longer applicable. See Colossians 2:16-17.
 

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the sabbath day

If you can show me one place where there was a Christian meeting after the resurrection on the Sabbath,
I'd be interested in seeing it. I can produce several where the church met on the first day of the week.

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can you explain how man can make a day holy ?,
and do away with Gods Holy days at the same time,
can you show a verse that makes it unholy?

-since we know you will not answer my questions, I
will show you that there is 8 places in the new testement that have (the first day of the week)
lets see if God changed the day in any of them verses.

none of the verses below changes the 7th day to 1st day worship,
is not a commanded day of worship, this was a normal [work day] for people.

Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was (yet dark),
unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

John tells use that while it was (still dark), Mary found the tomb empty.
this was not a sunrise service at all, he was allready gone from there.

believing a good friday to sunday would make Christ a false prophet.
in the earth at dusk, 3 days 3 nights later is resurrection just after dusk.

Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week,
when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews,
came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

the doors locked, assembled fear of there lives,was not a day of rest, a work day.
nothing here in verse changes the sabbath day, or not a religious meeting.

Ac 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together
to break bread,Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow;
and continued his speech until midnight.

first breaking bread is not a religious service, it is eating a meal.
second this verse records what happened on that one day only,
not a new command to in any way change the sabbath to the first day.

also at most times the apostles lived or stayed and ate together,
and they went house to house everyday of the week.
but every Sabbath they went to a place for worship to be had.

this verse we see the 7th day sabbath has just ended,
it gets dark and they are eating a meal, paul continues to preach.

this now is a regularwork day,pauls companions had set sail around penisula,
Paul was going to walk those miles, at first lite, on first day of week.

11When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten,
and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.

if now is a 1st day sabbath, why are they working on that day.
Paul , like Jesus custom was, preached on the 7th day sabbath about 83 times,
also working as tent maker, keeping sabbath for year and half.

so far we see no command or change in the sabbath day, the last verse

1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store,
as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come

this was not a religious sabbath meeting, it was a regular work day.

1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order
to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

there was a famine in Jerusalem, Paul was collecting food for the saints

4And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.

Paul needed help carring heavy stuff like meat,
he would need no help if it was for money.

the church has made unknow amounts of money because of this verse.
one more verse to look at to see if changed sabbath

John sees the lords day in a future vision, no day of week even mentioned.
and the false church changed the lords day to sunday, her authority alone.


Revelation 14:12 (KJV)
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they
that keep [the commandments of God], [and] the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14 (KJV)
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
 
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Jesus is Lord. Period. Lord of me and Lord of all---Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. He receives due honor in all.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, if you love Him why not Honor that day He is Lord of.