There are four kinds of people in the world...

[GaryA]

~ Those who are a knowing and willing part of the illuminati. ( "Satan's people on the earth." )

These people have created - and perpetuate / support / uphold - a massive deception that affects virtually every aspect of the reality we live in -- in order to obtain control of the entire population of the earth. These people are evil. Satan is their God.

The number of these people that are on the earth - and the influence they have over the every-day affairs of "the masses" - is much greater than most people realize.

Some of them purport to be Christians. ( Do they have you fooled...??? )

They are masters of Deception -- because, their thoughts and intents are evil.

They go to great extremes to influence people to "not think for themselves" -- and, are "naysayers" against people who try to get other people to think for themselves and see the truth about the reality they live in.


~ Those who are an unknowing and unwilling part of the illuminati.

These people are called "mind control slaves" -- and are "brain-washed into doing things for the illuminati" - without even knowing that they are doing it. They are unfortunate victims of the illuminati. It is highly likely that there are one or more of these people at least somewhere close to your 'community'. And - the larger the 'community' ( neighborhood --> town --> city --> state --> country ) - the more of these people can be expected to be present.

( This is a "special case" type of thing I am referring to here; however, the truth is - the illuminati have been "brain-washing" everyone on the earth - me, you, and everyone else - in different ways and at different 'levels' - for all of our lives... This is the thing that you must realize and come to understand. )


~ Those who are unknowingly and ignorantly following the 'prescribed' life path that the illuminati want them to. This group includes the greater majority of the entire population of the earth.


~ Those who know and understand the truth about the reality we live in. Unfortunately, this group is relatively small... However, it is getting larger... But, not nearly fast enough...


Which group are you in?



Go ahead --- call me 'crazy' [ or whatever ] --- the day is coming ( sometime between now and Judgment Day ) when -- "I promise you" -- "so help me Almighty God Jehovah and the Lord Jesus Christ" --- you ARE going to discover that what I am telling you is the TRUTH.

It will happen...

( "I personally absolutely guarantee it!" )

"Better sooner than later..."

 

[blondieindahouse]

~ Those who are a knowing and willing part of the illuminati. ( "Satan's people on the earth." )

Good post.
You will now be called a crazy person by those who cannot fathom the truth. Illuminati are modern day jesuits. It all stems from centuries back . Hitler had many jesuits helping him in his plan of genocide.Jesuits are mingled throughout society. They are prevalent in the RC church and well, all over!


Keep speaking it out. God hasnt appointed everyone as watchman. He only uses those who arent afraid of mockery .

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Hmm, I see it as only two factions. The Christians be the true Illuminati, literally, illuminated ones, or the forces of Light. The dragon and his manipulated minions are the Umbranati, the enshadowed ones, the forces of Darkness. The Umbranati aren't masters of deception, they are logically the most deceived. The Umbranati must rely on secrecy and shadows. The Illuminati cannot hide their light, and the light reveals all that is in the shade.

Matthew 5

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Proverbs 4:18-19

[SUP]18 [/SUP]But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

 

[GaryA]

Good post.
You will now be called a crazy person by those who cannot fathom the truth. Illuminati are modern day jesuits. It all stems from centuries back . Hitler had many jesuits helping him in his plan of genocide.Jesuits are mingled throughout society. They are prevalent in the RC church and well, all over!

The [ modern day ] illuminati, Jesuits, Freemasons, [ and some other "highly-secret" organizations ] - are [ all, in 'association' terms ] inseparable from each other -- these organizations are "intertwined" in different ways and at different 'levels'...

They are all in the same boat -- "Satan is the captain of the ship" -- "They are all in it together" ---- the [ modern day ] 'illuminati' is the "umbrella" under which they all operate...

The blanket comment is somewhat true. It is also true that most of the secret societies in the world are interconnected. Yes, there is a lot of competition and fighting - even among the 13 family bloodlines ( which operate the 'core' of the illuminati ) --- however, the important thing to remember is that Satan is ultimately running all of it from the top...

Imagine a pie - cut into slices. Each slice roughly resembles a triangle, except that - because the pie is round - the bottom of the triangle is rounded instead of straight. The different slices, or triangles, represent the various "secret society" organizations. At the center of the pie - at the top of each 'triangle' - is Satan. He controls each of the organizations from the top. As you move from the center of the pie toward the outer edge of the pie, you descend further down an organization - from top to bottom. The outer-edge 'crust' of each slice is the group of members who know virtually nothing about what is really going on at the top. From their perspective, [ at least ] most of the interconnections between adjacent slices also cannot be seen.

Because of the common link -- Satan -- who is the "causal agent" and "fomenter" of it all -- it all tends to work in a more unified fashion than that which may readily be seen from any not-at-the-center-of-the-pie vantage point.

Keep speaking it out. God hasnt appointed everyone as watchman. He only uses those who arent afraid of mockery .

... those who are not afraid of -- and, want to know -- the [ real ] truth about the world they live in...

 

[blondieindahouse]

The [ modern day ] illuminati, Jesuits, Freemasons, [ and some other "highly-secret" organizations ] - are [ all, in 'association' terms ] inseparable from each other -- these organizations are "intertwined" in different ways and at different 'levels'...

They are all in the same boat -- "Satan is the captain of the ship" -- "They are all in it together" ---- the [ modern day ] 'illuminati' is the "umbrella" under which they all operate...






... those who are not afraid of -- and, want to know -- the [ real ] truth about the world they live in...

I guess what I was trying to say is that all of them stem from the jesuits which go back centuries.

Look up "a lamp in the dark" on youtube. Its a good documentary.

 

[GaryA]

Hmm, I see it as only two factions. The Christians be the true Illuminati, literally, illuminated ones, or the forces of Light. The dragon and his manipulated minions are the Umbranati, the enshadowed ones, the forces of Darkness. The Umbranati aren't masters of deception, they are logically the most deceived. The Umbranati must rely on secrecy and shadows. The Illuminati cannot hide their light, and the light reveals all that is in the shade.

I understand what you are saying --- most of us on CC know Who-and-what-and-where the TRUE 'light' is; however, for the sake of the thread - please don't confuse the issue...

My intent for this topic is that it is to be discussed with modern-day-terminology - the word 'illuminati' in particular. For the sake of clear understanding of just-exactly-who we are talking about -- everyone - please - don't get off on these kinds of tangents...

 

[GaryA]

I guess what I was trying to say is that all of them stem from the jesuits which go back centuries.

Look up "a lamp in the dark" on youtube. Its a good documentary.

Yes -- the "core essence" of the illuminati - often called "the mystery religions" - goes all the way back to NIMROD.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I understand what you are saying --- most of us on CC know Who-and-what-and-where the TRUE 'light' is; however, for the sake of the thread - please don't confuse the issue...

My intent for this topic is that it is to be discussed with modern-day-terminology - the word 'illuminati' in particular. For the sake of clear understanding of just-exactly-who we are talking about -- everyone - please - don't get off on these kinds of tangents...

I know what you mean, but I refuse to call the Umbranati as the Illuminati. There is no light in them.

 

[GaryA]

I know what you mean, but I refuse to call the Umbranati as the Illuminati. There is no light in them.

"Here we go..."

 

[GodIsSalvation]

"Here we go..."

Hmm, I would think that if you were serious about breaking their mind control machinations you would agree with me. After all if they masquerade as the servants of light and you and I deny their facade of them; what control do they really have?

 

[Blain]

~ Those who are a knowing and willing part of the illuminati. ( "Satan's people on the earth." )

These people have created - and perpetuate / support / uphold - a massive deception that affects virtually every aspect of the reality we live in -- in order to obtain control of the entire population of the earth. These people are evil. Satan is their God.

The number of these people that are on the earth - and the influence they have over the every-day affairs of "the masses" - is much greater than most people realize.

Some of them purport to be Christians. ( Do they have you fooled...??? )

They are masters of Deception -- because, their thoughts and intents are evil.

They go to great extremes to influence people to "not think for themselves" -- and, are "naysayers" against people who try to get other people to think for themselves and see the truth about the reality they live in.


~ Those who are an unknowing and unwilling part of the illuminati.

These people are called "mind control slaves" -- and are "brain-washed into doing things for the illuminati" - without even knowing that they are doing it. They are unfortunate victims of the illuminati. It is highly likely that there are one or more of these people at least somewhere close to your 'community'. And - the larger the 'community' ( neighborhood --> town --> city --> state --> country ) - the more of these people can be expected to be present.

( This is a "special case" type of thing I am referring to here; however, the truth is - the illuminati have been "brain-washing" everyone on the earth - me, you, and everyone else - in different ways and at different 'levels' - for all of our lives... This is the thing that you must realize and come to understand. )


~ Those who are unknowingly and ignorantly following the 'prescribed' life path that the illuminati want them to. This group includes the greater majority of the entire population of the earth.


~ Those who know and understand the truth about the reality we live in. Unfortunately, this group is relatively small... However, it is getting larger... But, not nearly fast enough...


Which group are you in?



Go ahead --- call me 'crazy' [ or whatever ] --- the day is coming ( sometime between now and Judgment Day ) when -- "I promise you" -- "so help me Almighty God Jehovah and the Lord Jesus Christ" --- you ARE going to discover that what I am telling you is the TRUTH.

It will happen...

( "I personally absolutely guarantee it!" )

"Better sooner than later..."

I wish I could call you crazy and a liar but the sad thing is all you said is true and it also gets much worse as well

 

[GaryA]

Hmm, I would think that if you were serious about breaking their mind control machinations you would agree with me. After all if they masquerade as the servants of light and you and I deny their facade of them; what control do they really have?

They still have control over people no matter what you call them.

Hmmmm -- I would think that - if you agreed with me with regard to the thread topic -- you would not entertain fine-semantics thread-derailment-antics that take away or divert from the discussion as it is intended by the thread author ( OP ).

I "disagree" with your Nit-Picking.

I "disagree" with your attempts to force everyone who even so much as reads the thread to 'conform' to your personal 'bent' of not-the-common-terminology...

Usually, when having internet thread-based discussions with others -- we have to accept that - to have successful conversation, and efficient transference-of-information-and-understanding between those taking part in the discussion - we must formulate our discussion based on the 'framework' of definitions that are common to the subject matter being discussed.

Those who defiantly insist upon making everyone else conform to their personal ( especially highly-particular 'non-common' / 'non-standard' ) set of definitions -- most-often become malefactors-by-default in the discussion - due to their audacity to disrespect the general flow of discussion of the topic.

GodIsSalvation - I have nothing against you. I can even accept the point that you originally made ( and, indicated so ) --- but, why must you belabor it to the nth degree...?

If you are not willing to discuss the topic based on the commonly known and accepted terms of the subject matter --- then, please kindly remove yourself from the thread and do not come back...

It is not the 'data' that you present that I am in disagreement with -- it is the [ apparent ] attitude you seem to have towards "enforcing it" in someone else's thread.

Go start your own thread -- the topic of which could be worded something like:

The proper name for those who call themselves the 'illuminati'...

( And, have been known by this name for longer than any of us has been alive on the earth... )

I can certainly agree with your point about the illuminati being "the Dark Side"; however, I strongly disagree with your [ seeming ] insistance that we should try to "overthrow" the common-use terminology - that has been in use for decades and centuries - in favor of your own private 'designations'.

The use of particular words ( such as 'Umbranati' ) is not going to "make a dent" in any "mind control machinations" nearly as much as 'education' on the subject -- based on the common-use terminology that is in use today.

The 'light' that 'they masquerade as the servants of" is Lucifer. A proper 'education' on the subject will give a person the proper understanding that the illuminati's version of 'light' is a different - and false - light than what the Bible speaks of.

"This is not a difficult thing --- please don't make it so..."

Now -- do you think we can get back to the thread topic?

 

[GaryA]

"This is not a difficult thing --- please don't make it so..."

In other words:

"Please take your 'word crusade' elsewhere..."

 

[GaryA]

...what control do they really have?

The control that they have over "the masses" is inversely proportional to the number of people who "know enough" ( sufficiently educated on the subject ) about how-they-operate and what-they-are-up-to...

 

[BeyondET]

For what ever feeling thought belief the human mind can express there are that many kind of people

 

[Stephen63]

2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? [SUP]6 [/SUP]And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [SUP]9 [/SUP]Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, [SUP]10 [/SUP]And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [SUP]12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

What is the opposite of truth? A lie, of course.

But what is the worst kind of lie? Not the obvious kind that's easily noticeable, but the kind that looks like the truth..... a replacement to the truth. In Jesus' day it was the traditions of the elders. About three centuries later & is still around is the RCC.

Now, it's replacement theology of the liberal church, with new false teachings springing up all over.

All of these have a common goal & end..... to destroy the faith of true believers.

Here's why this kind of lie is so dangerous..... if it doesn't win christians over, it does another work that's just as wicked..... it throws out so much religious information it confuses the church about what they believe..... destroying their faith, making the church powerless. Either way it's done it's job.

The Bible calls it false teaching..... the secular world calls it DISINFORMATION.

The worst kind of lie is the one HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT..... and it's right here, in good ole CC.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

@GaryA I agree with your basic premise that there are various factions of darkness. I believe it is applicable to the topic. For why ought we fret ourselves over them? Or why ought we play into their game? I merely disagree on terming the forces of darkness as the forces of light. This isn't based on my own personal views but rather from what the Bible says. I have not forced you to do anything.

Ephesians 5:7
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
[SUP]9 [/SUP](For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.


1 John 1:5-7


[SUP]5 [/SUP]This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


Romans 13:12

[SUP]12 [/SUP]The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.


Luke 8:16-17


[SUP]16 [/SUP]No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

2 Corinthians 4:6

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:10-15

[SUP]10 [/SUP]As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, nobody in the regions of Achaia will stop this boasting of mine.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do!
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

 

[GaryA]

@GaryA I agree with your basic premise that there are various factions of darkness. I believe it is applicable to the topic. For why ought we fret ourselves over them? Or why ought we play into their game? I merely disagree on terming the forces of darkness as the forces of light. This isn't based on my own personal views but rather from what the Bible says. I have not forced you to do anything.

I whole-heartedly agree that "there is no light in them" -- and that, we need not "fret ourselves over them" -- and that, we - as Christians - need not be "afraid" of their existence, etc. However...


When discussing something In the context of illuminati "doctrine" -- should I refuse to use the name 'Lucifer'? ( Because of the association of 'light' with the name. ) No. Why? Because, in that particular context of discussion -- that is the proper name to use when discussing illuminati "doctrine" -- because, Lucifer is the one they revere. ( their perspective )

I call him 'Satan'; however, in certain contexts of discussion - 'Lucifer' is the proper name to use.

Should I ever - for whatever reason - "just up and decide" - to call you 'GodIsNotSalvation'? No. Why? Because, you are known by the name 'GodIsSalvation'. You gave yourself that name. Whether or not I believe your name is "true" is beside the point.

Is every name "true"...? No. Nonetheless, in [ at least ] the absolute majority of cases -- "a name is a name" -- and, should be used for identification purposes -- to identify [ with ] the one who has that name.

In a way, I think it is a good thing that you refuse to "give them glory" by virtue of their name. I understand that. I really do. However, in my "older age" of experience in life, I also understand some other things that you may not...

In the "big picture" of things -- I am looking at the name 'illuminati' strictly as a name. I can use it in discussion without accepting it as "true" -- it does not "give them glory" to do so. It is only a name -- a name by which to understand in conversation / discussion who-exactly we are talking about. That is all.

If you take the attitude that - "I will not discuss your topic unless you use my particular set of names and definitions" -- you will surely be looked at as a trolling presence...

"Just sayin'..."

Choose your battles wisely...

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I whole-heartedly agree that "there is no light in them" -- and that, we need not "fret ourselves over them" -- and that, we - as Christians - need not be "afraid" of their existence, etc. However...


When discussing something In the context of illuminati "doctrine" -- should I refuse to use the name 'Lucifer'? ( Because of the association of 'light' with the name. ) No. Why? Because, in that particular context of discussion -- that is the proper name to use when discussing illuminati "doctrine" -- because, Lucifer is the one they revere. ( their perspective )

I call him 'Satan'; however, in certain contexts of discussion - 'Lucifer' is the proper name to use.

Should I ever - for whatever reason - "just up and decide" - to call you 'GodIsNotSalvation'? No. Why? Because, you are known by the name 'GodIsSalvation'. You gave yourself that name. Whether or not I believe your name is "true" is beside the point.

Is every name "true"...? No. Nonetheless, in [ at least ] the absolute majority of cases -- "a name is a name" -- and, should be used for identification purposes -- to identify [ with ] the one who has that name.

In a way, I think it is a good thing that you refuse to "give them glory" by virtue of their name. I understand that. I really do. However, in my "older age" of experience in life, I also understand some other things that you may not...

In the "big picture" of things -- I am looking at the name 'illuminati' strictly as a name. I can use it in discussion without accepting it as "true" -- it does not "give them glory" to do so. It is only a name -- a name by which to understand in conversation / discussion who-exactly we are talking about. That is all.

If you take the attitude that - "I will not discuss your topic unless you use my particular set of names and definitions" -- you will surely be looked at as a trolling presence...

"Just sayin'..."

Choose your battles wisely...

Indeed Lucifer is not an appropriate name for the dragon called Satan and Devil as there is no light in him. The Bible never calls the dragon "lucifer". Tis mighty curious that every heretical sect and many pagan religions thinks satan is an angel of light that gave them some type of secret knowledge or whatever. Therefore we know they are deceived since the Bible says that the dragon that is called Devil and Satan masquerades as an angel of light. It's one of the big tell tale signs that they have been deceived by the dragon that is called Satan that masquerades as an angel of light. Can observe this in much of the Umbranati from those masonic witches, islam, SDA cult, Mormons, etc. All of them are Umbranati cults started by false prophets deceived by a strange being masquerading as an angel of light.

 

[blue_ladybug]

The bible says we fight not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and high powers. To me, that screams GOVERNMENT. It ain't no secret that they want to control every facet of our lives, from what we eat, to what mattress we sleep on..just saying..