Nimrod

[GodIsSalvation]

"His tyranny came into a proverb as hated both God and man: for he passed not to commit cruelty even in God's presence" (Geneva Bible 1599 footnotes).

The Hebrew word for "before" is "paneh" and can have as its meaning "against".

Lol the commentaries and their footnotes are also heretical, even moreso than the lying scribes that create their own fable books reimagining the Bible. The Bible is of no private interpretation. You should be able to find me a verse. Like for example I can show you Genesis 10:9.

EDIT: The word against can also mean to be in front of. For example, I lean against the wall.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

"His tyranny came into a proverb as hated both God and man: for he passed not to commit cruelty even in God's presence" (Geneva Bible 1599 footnotes).

The Hebrew word for "before" is "paneh" and can have as its meaning "against".

Interestingly taking a little peek into the Strong's it seems we can confirm the meaning here in Genesis 10 is indeed in front of, or in the sight of.

Strong's Hebrew: 6440. פָּנִים (panim or paneh) -- face, faces

4 לִפְנֵי, properly at the face or front of, the most General word for in the presence of, before

a. With the implication of (a) under the eye or oversight of,

(g) in the sight (estimation) of, Genesis 7:1 thee have I seen to be just before me, Genesis 10:9 a mighty hunter before


This would lead me all the more to think that perhaps Nimrod was indeed a believer of the good and true Lord especially if the meaning here is in sight of or in the estimation of God.

 

[prove-all]

@IS Show me in the Bible that Nimrod displeased the Lord. Bible only,

[h=3]Micah 5:6 (KJV)[/h]

And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.​

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Micah 5:6 (KJV)

And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.​

A good verse, but seems to me more about the Assyrians and the land of Nimrod, but not Nimrod himself.

EDIT: But want to note here to encourage you though, I like that we're searching out the Bible for the answer.

 

[prove-all]

The name Nimrod hebrew(marad) meaning be rebellious, rebel, revolt.


genesis10

6And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.


- very bad translation , should be [tyrant]


9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said,
Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.

-nimrod son of, Cush, ham, noah

10And the beginning of [his kingdom was Babel], and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh,
in the land of Shinar.

11Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
12And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.

-the question of whether it had been Nimrod or Ashur who built the cities in Assyria.
but we know babel was nimrods kingdom.


-asshur son of, shem, ham , noah

20These are the sons of Ham, after their families
22The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and

 

[prove-all]

Genesis 14:17 (KJV)
And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of
Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.


And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel king of Shinar, Arioch king of Ellasar,
Chedorlaomer king of Elam, and Tidal king of nations;Genesis 14:1


the king of Sodom slaughters Chedorlaomer,also other kings that were with him,
after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer

1 With Chedorlaomer the king of Elam
and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim,

2[Amraphel] king of [Shinar]


3Arioch king of Ellasar
4and Tidal king of nations

And the vale of Siddim was full of slimepits;

and the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah fled, and fell there;
and they that remained fled to the mountain.

And they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their own victuals,and went their way.
And they took Lot, Abram's brother's son, who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods too, and departed.


these forces where assyranas

 

[GodIsSalvation]

The name Nimrod hebrew(marad) meaning be rebellious, rebel, revolt.


genesis10

6And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.


- very bad translation , should be [tyrant]


9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said,
Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.

-nimrod son of, Cush, ham, noah

10And the beginning of [his kingdom was Babel], and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh,
in the land of Shinar.

11Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
12And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.

-the question of whether it had been Nimrod or Ashur who built the cities in Assyria.
but we know babel was nimrods kingdom.


-asshur son of, shem, ham , noah

20These are the sons of Ham, after their families
22The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and

Lol those verses say right there Asshur built those cities. Does not say Nimrod built the cities he ruled over though curiously.
Remember, even though the Babylon we're more familiar with was bad that doesn't necessarily mean Nimrod was. After all the Persian Empire is pretty well condemned in the Bible, but yet Cyrus the Great, the most successful emperor of Medo-Persia is quite highly acclaimed throughout the Bible.

As for Nimrod's name I have also heard it to mean hunter, but Strong's is saying the meaning is unknown.

Strong's Hebrew: 5248. נִמְרוֹד (Nimrod) -- a son of Cush and founder of the Bab. kingdom

 

[Is]

I agree with you. I can see why God confounded languages and brought an end to the vain plan to build the Tower. Bible never says Nimrod made the Tower of Babel though, or if he was even alive during that time.

Lol the thing about the boss made me laugh though.

Who else in Gen.10 has a name that means "rebel"?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Who else in Gen.10 has a name that means "rebel"?

Lol I guess I'll let you read my last post. It is not actually known what Nimrod's name means. Nimrod is the literal transliteration of his name, not Marad.

Here's the occurences of Marad (rebel) though:

Strong's Hebrew: 4775. מָרַד (marad) -- to rebel

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Genesis 14:17 (KJV)
And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of
Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.


And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel king of Shinar, Arioch king of Ellasar,
Chedorlaomer king of Elam, and Tidal king of nations;Genesis 14:1


the king of Sodom slaughters Chedorlaomer,also other kings that were with him,
after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer

1 With Chedorlaomer the king of Elam
and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim,

2[Amraphel] king of [Shinar]


3Arioch king of Ellasar
4and Tidal king of nations

And the vale of Siddim was full of slimepits;

and the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah fled, and fell there;
and they that remained fled to the mountain.

And they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their own victuals,and went their way.
And they took Lot, Abram's brother's son, who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods too, and departed.


these forces where assyranas

Lol all that is quite after the time of Nimrod though.

Ezekiel 18:20

[SUP]20 [/SUP]The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

 

[prove-all]

Lol those verses say right there Asshur built those cities.

those verses does not say who built babel , but nimrod was king

 

[Is]

Interestingly taking a little peek into the Strong's it seems we can confirm the meaning here in Genesis 10 is indeed in front of, or in the sight of.

Strong's Hebrew: 6440. פָּנִים (panim or paneh) -- face, faces

4 לִפְנֵי, properly at the face or front of, the most General word for in the presence of, before

a. With the implication of (a) under the eye or oversight of,

(g) in the sight (estimation) of, Genesis 7:1 thee have I seen to be just before me, Genesis 10:9 a mighty hunter before


This would lead me all the more to think that perhaps Nimrod was indeed a believer of the good and true Lord especially if the meaning here is in sight of or in the estimation of God.

And it can also mean "against". Rebellious people don't believe in the Lord.

Since Scripture says Nimrod was a mighty hunter this statement is that Nimrod was the exact opposite of the divine ideal of a king-(that of a shepherd, 2Sam.5:2, 7:7; 1Peter 5:4).

A hunter gratifes himself at the expense of his victims, the shepherd expends himself for the good of the subjects of his care.

Later

 

[GodIsSalvation]

those verses does not say who built babel , but nimrod was king

Aye indeed, but that does not mean Nimrod was even alive when Tower of Babel incident occurred. That could have happened before he was even born or well after. The Tower of Babel incident only says the people set to build it, which may imply this happened before he was even born, being mindful Nimrod is post-Flood 4th generation (Noah--Ham--Cush---Nimrod), and implied to be the youngest of Cush's sons. Says nothing about any kings really commissioning it. Just being king doesn't make one evil, again Cyrus is good for the comparison.

I think it is probably beneficial for our study though to post the Tower of Babel incident.

Genesis 11:1-9

1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

And it can also mean "against". Rebellious people don't believe in the Lord.

Since Scripture says Nimrod was a mighty hunter this statement is that Nimrod was the exact opposite of the divine ideal of a king-(that of a shepherd, 2Sam.5:2, 7:7; 1Peter 5:4).

A hunter gratifes himself at the expense of his victims, the shepherd expends himself for the good of the subjects of his care.

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Strong's clarifies here that it means in sight of, or in estimation of. Another way to say it would be Nimrod was a mighty hunter in the sight of the Lord, or Nimrod was a mighty hunter in the estimation of the Lord. If the Lord estimated him a mighty hunter, who am I to disagree?

EDIT: Have a good night Lady IS. I like this study indeed, makes an interesting break in the usual Bible Study monotony lol.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Alright. This thread has gone on quite long enough. Nimrod was a dictator or tyrant, and there's an empire syndrome afoot. When you look at Genesis 10, Nimrod is out there, being a "mighty man" and gobbling up every neighbor in sight, creating an empire like he just can't get enough. That's a huge clue how nice a guy he was, careful of "no trespassing" signs and content to have respite under his own fig tree. Then there's the bottom line you can't get around, that nobody can argue against: he was a real Nimrod.

 

[prove-all]

God told them to spreadout and fill the earth, but walled city made in defiance of God.
and a king or founder was Nimrod, also we read about the mystery

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


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[prove-all]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amraphel

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Alright. This thread has gone on quite long enough. Nimrod was a dictator, and there's an empire syndrome afoot. When you look at Genesis 10, Nimrod is out there, being a "mighty man" and gobbling up every neighbor in sight, creating an empire like he just can't get enough. That's a huge clue how nice a guy he was, careful of "no trespassing" signs and content to have respite under his own fig tree. Then there's the bottom line you can't get around, that nobody can argue against: he was a real Nimrod.

Cyrus conquered much more than Nimrod and God calls him his anointed in Isaiah 45. We're really given no indication in the Bible that Nimrod was evil or a dictator. Merely that he was a mighty hunter before the Lord.

EDIT: Lol also speaking on no trespassing signs there was a long doubted legend about Cyrus that he set up some pretty crude but funny signs himself to taunt his enemies that were actually unearthed and confirmed.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amraphel

Amraphel is Amraphel, though this a good article for showing how the legends about figures such as Nimrod are not actually found in the Bible, but rather in the legends of heretics, pagans, and Pharisees. Note the sources in the article, that be the Pharisees.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

God told them to spreadout and fill the earth, but walled city made in defiance of God.
and a king or founder was Nimrod, also we read about the mystery

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


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You won't like this answer, but the whore of Babylon is the city where our Lord and Savior was crucified. Only one city in the Bible and history drunk on the blood of the prophets. That's a whole other topic though.