Hey you!...you are not allowed to marry..or eat certain foods.....you need "to do" right things for your righteousness to be intact...repent or it's off to hell with you!....lol..just playin' on the 1 Tim 4 theme...
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[TD="colspan: 3, align: left"]I don’t know about you, but I would say that Hebrews 10:17 is good news. God sees all our sins—past, present and future—and says, “Your sins I remember no more!” The words “no more” are a strong double negative in the original Greek text. In other words, God is saying, “Your sins I will by no means ever remember!”
Has God lowered His standards? No, He is still perfectly holy. He didremember all our sins—2,000 years ago at the cross. Every sin which we have committed or will commit has been punished to the full in the body of Jesus Christ at the cross. That is why today, God remembers our sins no more. We should, therefore, not be sin-conscious.
Each time we feel condemned for our past mistakes, God wants us to remember the cross and say, “Lord Jesus, you were sentenced for this sin I committed. You bore the judgment, so God will not judge me for this sin. You were condemned for this sin, so God will not condemn me for it.”
If you don’t look to the cross, you will become sin-conscious and you will walk around with a certain expectation of judgment. And that expectation of judgment will give the devil a chance to get you thinking that God has something against you because of your sin.
You must come to the place where you know and believe that all your sins are forgiven, and that you are saved eternally.
Hebrews 10:12, 14 says, “But this Man [Jesus], after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God…For by one offering He has perfected forever…”
You and I are perfected forever because of Jesus’ perfect work on the cross. We are perfected by God’s full acceptance and perfect delight in His Son’s work that has so glorified His holiness. Beloved, hear God say to you, “I will be merciful. Your sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
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[TD="colspan: 3, align: left"]I don’t know about you, but I would say that Hebrews 10:17 is good news. God sees all our sins—past, present and future—and says, “Your sins I remember no more!” The words “no more” are a strong double negative in the original Greek text. In other words, God is saying, “Your sins I will by no means ever remember!”
Has God lowered His standards? No, He is still perfectly holy. He didremember all our sins—2,000 years ago at the cross. Every sin which we have committed or will commit has been punished to the full in the body of Jesus Christ at the cross. That is why today, God remembers our sins no more. We should, therefore, not be sin-conscious.
Each time we feel condemned for our past mistakes, God wants us to remember the cross and say, “Lord Jesus, you were sentenced for this sin I committed. You bore the judgment, so God will not judge me for this sin. You were condemned for this sin, so God will not condemn me for it.”
If you don’t look to the cross, you will become sin-conscious and you will walk around with a certain expectation of judgment. And that expectation of judgment will give the devil a chance to get you thinking that God has something against you because of your sin.
You must come to the place where you know and believe that all your sins are forgiven, and that you are saved eternally.
Hebrews 10:12, 14 says, “But this Man [Jesus], after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God…For by one offering He has perfected forever…”
You and I are perfected forever because of Jesus’ perfect work on the cross. We are perfected by God’s full acceptance and perfect delight in His Son’s work that has so glorified His holiness. Beloved, hear God say to you, “I will be merciful. Your sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
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God, like any good Father, will chasten His wayward children - but they can never be lost.
There is a war with the flesh that won't be fully resolved until after we go to glory. But indeed, our perspective changes. Once sin didn't bother us, now sinning triggers a spiritual response in us.
Will we still have the desire to sin?
Of course. It's pleasurable, and what the flesh wants. But the difference now, is God gives us the power to say "no" to the flesh. He always provides a way out.
Will we always take the way out?
Nope.
That was all I was trying to say. That's why I think we should be more clear when we debate this amongst each other and clarify exactly what we mean. Two people that believe the same thing may look at it from 2 different perspectives and I've seen and been part of "back and forth" sessions on here where neither side was willing or able to see they both were trying to say the same thing in different ways. Example- I never see many saying "once we are saved we can sin away with no worry", nor do I here many say "once we are saved we are completely sinless and perfect, and if we sin once we lose salvation", and yet every day I see brothers and sisters talking past each other like this is what's being said by each side instead of coming together like we are called to. A great example is if you think I was saying anything other than what you just repeated back. If you thought you were correcting me on anything then this was the perfect example because I agree 100% with what you said and it was exactly what I was talking about in the comment you replied to. I just don't think we should be so quick to "OK" the sinning part, I think many are way to "cool" with a Christian sinning and feel it can be dangerous for the babes in Christ. Not that we should take a "Holier than thou" attitude either, but there are much better middle ground stances we can take in my opinion. Anyway thanks for the response and honestly I really do agree.
I've seen this too. People are so accustomed to arguing that they don't even recognize when they are being agreed with or apologized to!
That's cool, I hope I didn't make it sound like you weren't, I tried to qualify it with "if" and stuff like that, but we are on the same page as far as I can tell. Anyway aside from all that, Happy New Year and may God bless you, your family, and all our extended family here on CC.
Fear to lose yours salvation,Fear about yours future,fear to be prosecuted for His name.You can make much larger list about peoples fears.What Bible tell us about this topic. ; 1John4;18 There is no fear in love;but perfect love cast out fear;because fear hath torment.He that feared not made perfect in love.;IJohn4;17 Herein is our love made perfect,that we may have boldness in the day of judgment;because as he is,so are we in this world. Romans8;15 For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear;but you received the Spirit of adoption,whereby we cry,Abba Father.;Hebrews12;2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross,despising the shame,and is set down at right hand of the throne of God.;Psalm23;4 Yea,thought I walk through the valley of shadow of death,I will fear no evil; for thou art with me;thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
See now, those who preach a works salvation (which is false) do not preach so out of fear (which is also false). But who's more afraid - someone who recognizes a pitfall so they may avoid it, or one feels the need to convince themselves there's no possible way they can screw it up?
If they can mess it up, then they are their own savior. People aren't coming into agreement with a revelation of God's grace because they need an excuse. They are coming into agreement with it because they are hopeless otherwise. The idea of not being able to mess it up is not sourced in fear but the Gospel. They are secure in Jesus Christ. That is not fear based thinking, but a thought process that is in line with God's word. They are completely and totally dependent upon Jesus for their salvation. A righteousness that is of faith.
You're building your foundation on sand.
Take heed to yourself and your doctrine. Continue in them, for [by] doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you. 1 Timothy 4:16
Please read the whole Chapter. Paul is talking about Timothy being saved from false doctrine - it has nothing to do with salvation.
And actually, the explanation is in the very verse you quoted.
"Take heed for yourself and your doctrine...."
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I don't think you can "renounce" your spiritual birth anymore than you can renounce your physical one. Either way you phrase it the answer would be no.
Many Jews thought that being sons of Abraham saved them.
But [when he] saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Offspring of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Therefore produce fruit worthy of repentence! And do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham [as] father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children for Abraham from these stones! Already now the ax is positioned at the root of the trees; therefore every tree not producing good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Matthew 3:7-10