CAN A CHRISTIAN BE PRO-GAY MARRIAGE?

[sparkman]

Can a mature Christian be pro-gay marriage?

There are a number of individuals within the Church that categorize themselves as evangelicals who are promoting gay marriage.

Many of them are younger Christians, and they tend to be gay or bisexual themselves. However, some churches, as we know, support gay marriage and even gay leadership within the church.


My position is that this is one of the issues which sort out true Christians and organizations that God is working through from those that are not true Christians and organizations that he is not working through. It is going to become plainer and plainer which people and organizations belong to Him and which people and organizations are in rebellion against Him, despite their claims.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Can a Christian deny Christ?

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[sparkman]

Revelation 18:4 has a warning that I think applies to people who are involved in organizations which support this sort of thing:

Revelation 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;

 

[Grace777x70]

Personally I don't support gay marriage. I have 2 friends of mine that got "married"...they were not Christian to my knowledge altho one was an altar boy in a Catholic church...what ever that means in real life.

I don't for a second think it's my "duty" to tell unbelieving homosexuals how they are supposed to live. They don't need to change their behavior...they need to hear the gospel.

For the "believers" that say it's ok to lead a gay lifestyle I would say that they have a "confused" identity and I would teach them the gospel as well. It's obvious by what they are doing that they don't know what happened to them when they came to Christ. I think the elders in their lives need to sit down with them and teach them the grace of Christ and in some cases to reprove them in this error.

This needs to be done under the direction of the Holy Spirit as He knows exactly what to do with each person individually. Sometimes people are caught up in sin and don't know how to address it and thus out of frustration they make "excuses" for it because of all their confusion. These need to be taught the truth of who they are in Christ - others may need to be " delivered over to satan for the destruction of the flesh"...this needs to be done by a "spiritual elder"...and seems to be a very rare case in the N.T.

The true grace of the gospel of Christ "teaches" us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live godly in this present age. The final answer to me is to preach Jesus to them.

 

[Grace777x70]

Many of these "believers" could be frustrated by religion and then get sucked into a lifestyle that is contrary to sound living.

Here is an interesting testimony of a true believer in Christ that got caught in that lifestyle but Jesus came to him and loved him out of it..fantastic story of the grace and love of our Lord in action.

Here is the youtube link...it's about 40 minutes long..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsI4hhm_J2A

 

[yoninah]

I don't for a second think it's my "duty" to tell unbelieving homosexuals how they are supposed to live. They don't need to change their behavior...they need to hear the gospel.

That's the underlying principle in this situation - as in all situations. Men and women need Christ - not to be told to conform themselves to a legal requirement.

The Church has, of course, preached against behaviour down through the years - and not preached Christ. A lot have, mind you, and good on them. But whatever the sin (and I mean *whatever*), the solution is not observance to a written code but salvation through the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Jesus.

 

[kaylagrl]

Can a mature Christian be pro-gay marriage?

There are a number of individuals within the Church that categorize themselves as evangelicals who are promoting gay marriage.

Many of them are younger Christians, and they tend to be gay or bisexual themselves. However, some churches, as we know, support gay marriage and even gay leadership within the church.


My position is that this is one of the issues which sort out true Christians and organizations that God is working through from those that are not true Christians and organizations that he is not working through. It is going to become plainer and plainer which people and organizations belong to Him and which people and organizations are in rebellion against Him, despite their claims.

Quote "There are a number of individuals within the Church that categorize themselves as evangelicals who are promoting gay marriage.

Doesn't matter what they consider themselves,they're dead wrong and God has the last word on it.Homosexuality is an abomination and perversion. God is not "pro-sin"

 

[PeterJens]

If there is no law, then any sexual desire is ok.
If a couple truly love each other surely that is ok to express themselves in a caring way.

The argument is a sliding scale. Pedestry was a clear behaviour of the greeks.
What about orgies? Surely it is only expressing desire within to many without.

But then you come back to what is sexual desire all about. Families and children and disease. Soon anti-biotics will be gone and STD's will kill again, millions. Virginity and trust will again be a life and death issue.

What I find amazing is the culture of today have ignored these realities. Chlamydia makes girls 100% infertile, yet sexual expression, temporary relationships are fine. A 10 minute embrace effecting a lifetime of pain. Sin leads to death.

How can a mature christian support a relationship which may be loving and caring denies the realities of family and health.
Intimacy can be achieved without sexual involvement, but few seem to desire this reality, knowing another as a fellow human, in the Lords love.

Most of marriage is not sex but intimacy which is probably why so many now fail, because the sexual buzz is what they want it to be all about.

 

[PeterJens]

If you met a person who would kill you if you had sex with them, would you follow desire or safety?

But hey, life and death as worth less than desire. Ibsen wrote many plays discussing the issue of infidelity and the slow decline into madness because of syphilis.

 

[yoninah]

Ibsen wrote many plays discussing the issue of infidelity and the slow decline into madness because of syphilis.

Sounds like Ibsen would've been a barrel of laughs on a night out...
...only joking.

 

[dcontroversal]

No..................Christ is not pro gay marriage.....

 

[Tintin]

I know very few gay and lesbian people. I know plenty of straight people who are pro-LBGTABCQRSTUV though. And many of them are Christians who have gay and lesbian friends. Some seem to be Christians just by name, but others I know very well and have a solid faith. Is it a blind spot for them? I would say, yes. Is it something where they need to grow more into Christ? Yes. Can you be a Christian and be pro-gay marriage? I would say, yes. Can you be a mature Christian and be pro-gay marriage? I would say, maybe, possibly, unlikely. That said, we all have areas we need to humble ourselves before God.

 

[sparkman]

If you met a person who would kill you if you had sex with them, would you follow desire or safety?

But hey, life and death as worth less than desire. Ibsen wrote many plays discussing the issue of infidelity and the slow decline into madness because of syphilis.

This is a good point. By the way I have talked to a former homosexual who converted to Christianity, and he had unprotected sex with people without disclosing that he had AIDs, even a long term partner that he claimed to love.

Sex doesn't translate to love, nor is it loving to have sex with someone outside of the bounds of marriage. Actually, I was involved in sexual immorality during a period of backsliding, and one Christian leader that I talked with told me that in reality, I hated the people I was having sex with, because I was not doing what was best for that person, and it was an act of hate and not love. He was right. Love seeks the best for that person, and getting involved in sexual immorality with them, which has spiritual consequences, is not loving.

By the way, I am not seeking to cut down those who struggle with this particular issue with this thread. Any sexual activity outside of the marriage covenant is wrong, whether heterosexual or homosexual. I was more interested in the attitudes of Christians toward the acceptability of same sex marriage rather than criticizing a particular group of sinners.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

It's obvious by what they are doing that they don't know what happened to them when they came to Christ.

These need to be taught the truth of who they are in Christ -

What is obvious to me is those who say they are "in Christ" and at the same time are living a lifestyle "in sin" are only deceiving themselves. They were either never truly converted and made a new man "in Christ" in the first place, or they had departed from the faith by not abiding in the words of God and have now fallen away unto perdition, being given over to a mind of confusion.

 

[JesusIsAll]

There is no such thing as "gay marriage," without redefining marriage. Beyond that, it's an absolute obscenity, in the face of God, a societal evil which has drawn a line of rebellion, against God. In scripture, marriage is even a similitude to Christ and His bride. You can't get much more obscene, than to defile marriage.

 

[sparkman]

What is obvious to me is those who say they are "in Christ" and at the same time are living a lifestyle "in sin" are only deceiving themselves. They were either never truly converted and made a new man "in Christ" in the first place, or they had departed from the faith by not abiding in the words of God and have now fallen away unto perdition, being given over to a mind of confusion.

The loaded phrase there is "lifestyle of sin". I backslid and was involved in sexual immorality for years. I was still saved, and God didn't give up on me.

I was saved both before and after it.

God's grace extends way beyond what most people think. I am living proof of it.

During that time, though, I was messed up in terms of my communion with God, and my thinking was disordered as a result. I dishonored God during that period. My union with Christ was there, but my communion was not like it should have been.

I believe "lifestyle of sin" refers to someone whose salvation never made a difference in their life whatsoever. It is not talking about a Christian who has issues with something over a protracted period of time.

 

[blue_ladybug]

NOPE. If a christian is FOR gay marriage, then they're not a true christian because they are supporting something evil, wrong, and un-natural. Gay marriage should be outlawed, IMO.

 

[Colt45Bullet]

First of all, homosexual's can not get married. Marriage means the bond and promise between a man and a woman. So call it what you want, just not marriage. Second, if God opposes homosexuality, which is laid out in First Corinthians, then how can we, believers, condone it? People choose to be homosexual, just as people choose to lie, or steal. It is a sin and it can not be condoned by any TRUE believer.

 

[Blain]

First of all, homosexual's can not get married. Marriage means the bond and promise between a man and a woman. So call it what you want, just not marriage. Second, if God opposes homosexuality, which is laid out in First Corinthians, then how can we, believers, condone it? People choose to be homosexual, just as people choose to lie, or steal. It is a sin and it can not be condoned by any TRUE believer.

Thanks to Obama yes they can, it may not be biblical and is against God and corrupts the holy sanctum between man and women that God created specifically to reference two becoming one and to symbolize the marriage of the lamb but perhaps that is exactly why it is now legal in all the u.s.

 

[Colt45Bullet]

I know what the law says. But gay "marriage" isnt marriage.