Nimrod

[dcontroversal]

I have...studied it well..translate the words....and even though I do not necessarily believe Enoch was inspired he is quoted 4 to 6 times in the bible..read what he says about it...HE LED THE PEOPLE IN REBELLION..GOD SAID SPREAD OUT....not build a tower....
QUOTE=GodIsSalvation;2437621]Okay.

You say hunter of souls.

Bible says mighty hunter before the Lord.

Think about it for a lil bit.[/QUOTE]

 

[jaybird88]

nimrod rebelled against our Lord. his name means "to rebel" or "we shall rebel" and we can confirm his rebellious nature with his building of the tower of babel.
i think he was far from a good guy.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I have...studied it well..translate the words....and even though I do not necessarily believe Enoch was inspired he is quoted 4 to 6 times in the bible..read what he says about it...HE LED THE PEOPLE IN REBELLION..GOD SAID SPREAD OUT....not build a tower....
QUOTE=GodIsSalvation;2437621]Okay.

You say hunter of souls.

Bible says mighty hunter before the Lord.

Think about it for a lil bit.

You know Book of Enoch is not canon right? Not even written by Enoch the seventh from Adam. After all, how would Enoch be writing a book about events that happened hundreds of years after the Lord took him from off the earth?

I'll stick to the Bible.

Think about it.

 

[Is]

There is two Asshurs in the Bible though indeed. Asshur the son of Shem in Genesis 10 and Ashur father of Tekoa in 1 Chronicles 4. It would seem both are Semites. So you can see there is a wide gulf between the writings of the heretics and the actual Bible. Think it's probably obvious which Asshur they're talking about in Genesis 10.

Genesis 10:22

[SUP]22 [/SUP]The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram

1 Chronicles 4:5-7

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And Ashur the father of Tekoa had two wives, Helah and Naarah.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And Naarah bare him Ahuzam, and Hepher, and Temeni, and Haahashtari. These were the sons of Naarah.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the sons of Helah were, Zereth, and Jezoar, and Ethnan.

The sons of Ham is from 10:6-20, it says nothing about Asshur being a son of Shem in that setion and concludes with:

"These are the sons of Ham, after their famalies, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations." Gen.10:20

Now who's the heretic?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

nimrod rebelled against our Lord. his name means "to rebel" or "we shall rebel" and we can confirm his rebellious nature with his building of the tower of babel.
i think he was far from a good guy.

We been over this one before on this topic, you can go back and check the links posted. Nimrod's name does not mean rebel. Nimrod's name is a transliteration, which means the name sounds exactly as it is written in our language. It has no known meaning. The word for rebel is marad. Clearly big difference between word Nimrod and marad. Even the pronunciation is different.

 

[jaybird88]

You know Book of Enoch is not canon right? Not even written by Enoch the seventh from Adam. After all, how would Enoch be writing a book about events that happened hundreds of years after the Lord took him from off the earth?

I'll stick to the Bible.

Think about it.

interesting that all the churches that were influenced by the roman empire, only one was out of romes reach, the Ethiopian church. and Enoch is still a part of their bible.

also you need to read about oral histories. this is where our own bible came from and was what it was written from. no one thinks Enoch wrote the book and it survived in a cave all them years.

 

[dcontroversal]

DO you read anything before you bloviate...twice now you have attributed something to me that I have not said nor implied..maybe this is why you cannot see clearly.....

You know Book of Enoch is not canon right? Not even written by Enoch the seventh from Adam. After all, how would Enoch be writing a book about events that happened hundreds of years after the Lord took him from off the earth?

I'll stick to the Bible.

Think about it.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

The sons of Ham is from 10:6-20, it says nothing about Asshur being a son of Shem in that setion and concludes with:

"These are the sons of Ham, after their famalies, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations." Gen.10:20

Now who's the heretic?

The Bible ain't the heretics. The heretics be the ones dreaming up these Nimrod and Asshur mythologies.

Genesis 10: 6-8 (Ham and Cush's line)

[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.


Genesis 10:13-20 (Ham's line; Mizraim and Canaan)


[SUP]13 [/SUP]And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.


Genesis 10:21-31 (Shem's line)


[SUP]21 [/SUP]Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah,
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba,
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.



Confirmation comparison in 1 Chronicles 1


1 Chronicles 1:8-16 (Ham's line)


[SUP]8 [/SUP]The sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabta, and Raamah, and Sabtecha. And the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be mighty upon the earth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (of whom came the Philistines,) and Caphthorim.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And Canaan begat Zidon his firstborn, and Heth,
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The Jebusite also, and the Amorite, and the Girgashite,
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite.



1 Chronicles 1:17-27 (Shem's line up to Abraham)


[SUP]17 [/SUP]The sons of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram, and Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Meshech.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Arphaxad begat Shelah, and Shelah begat Eber.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother's name was Joktan.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Hadoram also, and Uzal, and Diklah,
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And Ebal, and Abimael, and Sheba,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab. All these were the sons of Joktan.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Shem, Arphaxad, Shelah,
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Eber, Peleg, Reu,
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Serug, Nahor, Terah,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Abram; the same is Abraham.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

DO you read anything before you bloviate...twice now you have attributed something to me that I have not said nor implied..maybe this is why you cannot see clearly.....

I read your disjointed post. You said something about Enoch saying something about Nimrod. Show me in the Bible. Book of Enoch isn't biblical canon.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

interesting that all the churches that were influenced by the roman empire, only one was out of romes reach, the Ethiopian church. and Enoch is still a part of their bible.

also you need to read about oral histories. this is where our own bible came from and was what it was written from. no one thinks Enoch wrote the book and it survived in a cave all them years.

Oral tradition theory is not true. Book of Genesis written by Moses. Who told Moses? Read Exodus to find out.

EDIT: Also to note the Ethiopian church thinks they got the Ark of Covenant too. Lol.

 

[dcontroversal]

You know Book of Enoch is not canon right? Not even written by Enoch the seventh from Adam. After all, how would Enoch be writing a book about events that happened hundreds of years after the Lord took him from off the earth?

I'll stick to the Bible.

Think about it.

This also sets forth ignorance...Jude directly quoted Enoch..the 7th from Adam...how could he do that under inspiration and it make the cannon....if a. There was no book to quote from or b. THE QUOTE WAS FALSE AND NOT INSPIRED....YOUR OWN WORDS SET FORTH IGNORANCE...

 

[GodIsSalvation]

This also sets forth ignorance...Jude directly quoted Enoch..the 7th from Adam...how could he do that under inspiration and it make the cannon....if a. There was no book to quote from or b. THE QUOTE WAS FALSE AND NOT INSPIRED....YOUR OWN WORDS SET FORTH IGNORANCE...

Jude quoted Enoch because Jude was inspired by God, not the non-canonical Book of Enoch that was not even written by Enoch or during his time. That's how Jude would know.

 

[Is]

Theophilus was the Bishop of Antioch during the second century. A convert to Christianity, he was a prolific writer who was often quoted by later Christian writers.


Little is known of the personal life of Theophilus. According to his 'apology to Autolycus' he was apparently born to pagan parents, about the year 120. He became a convert to Christianity after he had studied the Holy Scriptures. Theophilus became the bishop of Antioch in the sixth year of the reign of Marcus Aurelius, which is the year 168.

Eusebius and Jerome, among others, noted that Theophilus wrote a number of works against the heresies that prevailed in his day. Jerome also credited Theophilus with the works Commentaries on the Gospels and on the Book of Proverbs. The only work of his that has come down to us, however, is the Apologia ad Autolycum, in three volumes that apparently were written at different times. This work is addressed to his friend Autolycus as a rebuttal apparently of disparaging comments about Christianity by Autolycus.

In his Apologia, we have the first direct reference to the Trinity in a manner that its use is not new.

The date of his death is uncertain, ranging from the year 181 to 190.





To Autolycus (Theophilus of Antioch)
To Autolycus, Book II

Chapter 31. The History After the Flood.

"After the flood there again began a begnning of cities and kings, in the following manner: - The first city was Babylon, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. And their king was called Nebroth [Nimrod]. From these came Asshur, from whom also the Assyrians recieve their name. And Nimrod built the cities of Nineveh and Rehoboth, and Calah, and Resen, between Nineveh and Calah; and Nineveh became a very great city."

Gen.10:11 says the very thing that Nimrod built Nineveh, Rehoboth, and Resen that is attributed to Asshur beside Babel, Erech, Accad and Calneh in the land of Shinar in (v.10).

 

[GodIsSalvation]

@IS So Theophilius didn't live during the time of Nimrod and Theophilius' works are not part of Bible canon. You say Theophilius wrote a Bible commentary reimagining the Bible, which means Theophilius is a heretic.

You still have yet to prove that Nimrod did anything the heretics claim. All the writings of the heretics reimagining the Bible only proves ithe heretics wrote heresies.

Here's what the Bible says about the heretics; Theophilius, Hislop, Jerome, Eusebius, Book of Enoch, Josephus the Pharisee, the various midrashes of the Pharisees, Koran, etc.

Jeremiah 8:8-9

[SUP]8 [/SUP]How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the Lord; and what wisdom is in them?

 

[Is]

@IS So Theophilius didn't live during the time of Nimrod and Theophilius' works are not part of Bible canon. You say Theophilius wrote a Bible commentary reimagining the Bible, which means Theophilius is a heretic.

You still have yet to prove that Nimrod did anything the heretics claim. All the writings of the heretics reimagining the Bible only proves ithe heretics wrote heresies.

Here's what the Bible says about the heretics; Theophilius, Hislop, Jerome, Eusebius, Book of Enoch, Josephus the Pharisee, the various midrashes of the Pharisees, Koran, etc.

Jeremiah 8:8-9

[SUP]8 [/SUP]How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the Lord; and what wisdom is in them?

And yet he lived 2,000 years before you, and comes closer to what was taught and believed.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

And yet he lived 2,000 years before you, and comes closer to what was taught and believed.

Lol so then he lived far too late and the heresies he created are far removed from what the Bible says and he added in that which is not there confusing and leading astray countless millions even to this day.

 

[Is]

Lol so then he lived far too late and the heresies he created are far removed from what the Bible says and he added in that which is not there confusing and leading astray countless millions even to this day.

ROFL&L&L&L

 

[jaybird88]

Oral tradition theory is not true. Book of Genesis written by Moses. Who told Moses? Read Exodus to find out.

and it not true because . . . you say so?

EDIT: Also to note the Ethiopian church thinks they got the Ark of Covenant too. Lol.

they are tightly connected to the holy land, Judaism and all that. also they live in a culture thats not obsessed with shopping malls, reality tv and celebrity weddings so im not getting why you would laugh at them as if they are foolish idiots.

 

[jaybird88]

We been over this one before on this topic, you can go back and check the links posted. Nimrod's name does not mean rebel. Nimrod's name is a transliteration, which means the name sounds exactly as it is written in our language. It has no known meaning. The word for rebel is marad. Clearly big difference between word Nimrod and marad. Even the pronunciation is different.

im not a language expert. but i have listened to many lectures by those that are. i believe it does mean rebel. do a fast google serarch, yes some say it has no known meaning but even those sites still say that most likely it means to rebel. there is nothing to suggest any othder meaning. and the rebel meaning syncs with the bible.
why would so many academics throughout history think it means to rebel anyway?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

and it not true because . . . you say so?



they are tightly connected to the holy land, Judaism and all that. also they live in a culture thats not obsessed with shopping malls, reality tv and celebrity weddings so im not getting why you would laugh at them as if they are foolish idiots.

It's not true because not only is it not in the Bible but it contradicts the Bible. Bible inspired by God. Who told Moses about the Genesis narrative? Read Exodus, Moses had a good source it seems.

The Ethiopian church you refer to is highly heretical. Dude they even claim to have the ark of the covenant. That's their supposed big claim of connection to Israel. I don't think they're foolish idiots, I know they are liars just like Bible says they are. Ironically since we know Cush is the father of Aethiopians (the greek for Cush) they probably more related to Nimrod than anyone here.

im not a language expert. but i have listened to many lectures by those that are. i believe it does mean rebel. do a fast google serarch, yes some say it has no known meaning but even those sites still say that most likely it means to rebel. there is nothing to suggest any othder meaning. and the rebel meaning syncs with the bible.
why would so many academics throughout history think it means to rebel anyway?

Same heretics that think the earth is billions of years old and spinning 65,000 mph around the sun. Bible trumps the lying pen of the scribes.

Nimrod is literal transliteration. Totally different word than marad. Nimrod has no known meaning. We been through this all ready.