Nimrod

[Tintin]

That's interesting how has the Sirk avatar shown up as Tintin? Oh well, that's the interent.

Why wouldn't Nimrod have been alive at the building of the tower, he lived long enough after the building of Babel under the name of Assur to build four other cities.

Um. Nimrod and Assur weren't one and the same person. That could be the beginning of your confusion.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Um. Nimrod and Assur weren't one and the same person. That could be the beginning of your confusion.

It's not her confusion. It's the confusion of many of the heretics of the ancient and recent past. That's why we shall annihilate their heresies with our tongues and push our beloved back towards the Bible.

 

[Tintin]

It's not her confusion. It's the confusion of many of the heretics of the ancient and recent past. That's why we shall annihilate their heresies with our tongues and push our beloved back towards the Bible.

Oops. I see you already covered this in one of your previous posts. Good stuff.

 

[JosephsDreams]

So being a mighty hunter makes Nimrod a hero? If anything, it casts him in a dim light. A bloodthirsty man. Gen. 1:29 speaks about living on vegetation. The life is in the blood, and now it is implied Nimrod is a man who likes the taste of blood. He is prideful, and a rebel who seems to want to incite the people against the Lord, building a tower so high that the statement is, we are like god.
And he is a founder of Babylon, and possibly a giant, from the perverted race of the Nephilim.
So how can this man be considered anything but evil?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

So being a mighty hunter makes Nimrod a hero? If anything, it casts him in a dim light. A bloodthirsty man. Gen. 1:29 speaks about living on vegetation. The life is in the blood, and now it is implied Nimrod is a man who likes the taste of blood. He is prideful, and a rebel who seems to want to incite the people against the Lord, building a tower so high that the statement is, we are like god.
And he is a founder of Babylon, and possibly a giant, from the perverted race of the Nephilim.
So how can this man be considered anything but evil?

Being a mighty hunter doesn't necessarily make him a hero anymore that it makes him a villain. It's moreso that he was estimated/in the view of/before the Lord that makes him a potential hero. Other than that he's possibly just a minor, almost insignificant side character.

As for eating meat that does not make him a sinner as per God's covenant with Noah.

Genesis 9:1-4

1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.



We've all ready covered that Nimrod was not founder of city of Babel, and possibly was not even alive during that time. We have also covered that the Bible never says Nimrod was a rebel, that his name does not mean rebel. Bible never says Nimrod was prideful either. Nor does it say that Nimrod incited people against the Lord, but rather that the Lord estimated Nimrod a mighty hunter.

All those notions are found in the works of known heretics, not the Bible.

As for Nimrod being a giant, that also is not in the Bible, and seems to originate from Islamic canon. We know that Nimrod was not a Nephilim because they were wiped out in the Flood which happened before Nimrod was born. This theory is also found in the work of heretics and because it obviously contradicts the Bible proves it a heresy.

You have to prove Nimrod was evil using the Bible, not the work of heretics. All four mentions of Nimrod in the Bible have been posted on this website all ready with three direct mentions of his person (Genesis 10, 1 Chronicles 1) and one mention of the land of Nimrod (Micah 5). None of the mentions of Nimrod in the Bible describe him as evil, but rather as either good for being estimated well before the Lord, or as an indifferent minor character, merely a mighty hunter.

 

[JosephsDreams]

I am using the bible as reference, I stated so in my text. As far as conclusions I drew, the same many others have, throughout the ages, they seem to be consistent with what the bible says outright or implies about the manifestations of pride and self interest, and evil. The bible is a very economical book, and it allows the spirit to flourish.
It often puzzles me how one body, one spirit, one people, could have so many different perspectives on issues in the bible which seem to be so clear.

 

[JosephsDreams]

And yes, I can not prove to you beyond a shadow of doubt that Nimrod was evil, no more then I can that there is a God.
I did present a good case based on what the bible says or implies.
The rest is up to you, that is where discernment and faith in His word comes in.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I am using the bible as reference, I stated so in my text. As far as conclusions I drew, the same many others have, throughout the ages, they seem to be consistent with what the bible says outright or implies about the manifestations of pride and self interest, and evil. The bible is a very economical book, and it allows the spirit to flourish.
It often puzzles me how one body, one spirit, one people, could have so many different perspectives on issues in the bible which seem to be so clear.

Bible is of no private interpretation. All different perspectives are literally heresy, that is the definition of heresy. Show me in Bible where it says any of those things. All those assertions I cannot find in the Bible, and in fact they are contradicted by the Bible. I can only find those assertions in the work of known heretics and pagan religions.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

And yes, I can not prove to you beyond a shadow of doubt that Nimrod was evil, no more then I can that there is a God.
I did present a good case based on what the bible says or implies.
The rest is up to you, that is where discernment and faith in His word comes in.

You can prove there is a God, much proof for God. For example Jesus is the best proof for God.

Your case against Nimrod holds no water as it has no basis in the Bible nor is implied by the Bible, and in fact contradicts the Bible.

I discern that because such theories contradict the Bible and are found only in the works of pagans, Pharisees, and heretics that it holds no water.

 

[JosephsDreams]

I did show you. Please re read the post.

 

[jaybird88]

It's not true because not only is it not in the Bible but it contradicts the Bible. Bible inspired by God. Who told Moses about the Genesis narrative? Read Exodus, Moses had a good source it seems.

of coarse its not in the bible thats why its called oral tradition. do you think history was non existent before writing, think about it.

The Ethiopian church you refer to is highly heretical. Dude they even claim to have the ark of the covenant. That's their supposed big claim of connection to Israel. I don't think they're foolish idiots, I know they are liars just like Bible says they are. Ironically since we know Cush is the father of Aethiopians (the greek for Cush) they probably more related to Nimrod than anyone here.

where in bible does it say they are heretics if they have the ark? also canaan was cursed not cush

Same heretics that think the earth is billions of years old and spinning 65,000 mph around the sun. Bible trumps the lying pen of the scribes.

these heretics are using the same bible most everyone else is using.

Nimrod is literal transliteration. Totally different word than marad. Nimrod has no known meaning. We been through this all ready.

i know we been through it and yet you still dont seem to get it. know one knows for sure with 100 percent accuracy what it means but the context suggest it means rebel. it makes since to me and many experts. i dont get what you are trying so hard to make this guy out to be. there is very little if nothing to suggest he was a good person, the bible says he blatantly provoked the Lord. you can go to sumerian and egyptian text and they also confirm this. how much more evidence do you need?

 

[Angela53510]

I do read Hebrew, and "Marad" is simply NOT the same word or name as "Nimrod." I am not taking part in this discussion because the Bible says very little about Nimrod, and that is the only reliable source for someone who lived so long ago! Anything else is just speculation!

But it is so nice to see everyone discussing and posting from the Bible. Maybe we could do this on a lot more threads?
Keep up the good work!

PS The OP should stay away from Ruckman. He is hermeneutically unsound.

 

[Karraster]

Oh well..Almighty confused their language so they could not continue in what they were doing..and they did not get a hint either.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

how much more evidence do you need?

I need you to be able to show me in the Bible and the Bible only.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I did show you. Please re read the post.

You showed me the theories that I know originate from heretics and pagans that tried to rewrite the Bible or added in things that were not there. That is the definition of heresy.

My constant refrain and I shall hold fast is; Show me in the Bible, Bible only. If it's there you should be able to show me a verse that says Nimrod was wicked, evil, a giant, a Nephilim, a tyrant, a rebel, and all other heresy that somewhat contradict each other and the Bible.

For example I can show you a verse in the Bible that says that Nimrod was a mighty hunter before/in sight of/estimated as a mighty hunter before the Lord.

Genesis 10:9

[SUP]9 [/SUP]He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Oh well..Almighty confused their language so they could not continue in what they were doing..and they did not get a hint either.

Nay, but they left off building, God wins.

Genesis 11:8

[SUP]8 [/SUP]So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

 

[Is]

So being a mighty hunter makes Nimrod a hero? If anything, it casts him in a dim light. A bloodthirsty man. Gen. 1:29 speaks about living on vegetation. The life is in the blood, and now it is implied Nimrod is a man who likes the taste of blood. He is prideful, and a rebel who seems to want to incite the people against the Lord, building a tower so high that the statement is, we are like god.
And he is a founder of Babylon, and possibly a giant, from the perverted race of the Nephilim.
So how can this man be considered anything but evil?

What I found interesting is that God in Gen.9:6 makes a specific command.

 

[Is]

And yes, I can not prove to you beyond a shadow of doubt that Nimrod was evil, no more then I can that there is a God.
I did present a good case based on what the bible says or implies.
The rest is up to you, that is where discernment and faith in His word comes in.

People want to reject Sumerian information but the timelines of the Sumerian kings put so much into perspective as to indentifying Nimrod.

 

[Is]

I do read Hebrew, and "Marad" is simply NOT the same word or name as "Nimrod." I am not taking part in this discussion because the Bible says very little about Nimrod, and that is the only reliable source for someone who lived so long ago! Anything else is just speculation!

But it is so nice to see everyone discussing and posting from the Bible. Maybe we could do this on a lot more threads?
Keep up the good work!

PS The OP should stay away from Ruckman. He is hermeneutically unsound.

PS The OP should stay away from Ruckman. He is hermeneutically unsound.

Please give me some examples of Mr. Ruckman's poor hermeneutics, thanks.

 

[Is]

I need you to be able to show me in the Bible and the Bible only.

There is too much that has come archaeologically that sheds light on Nimrod. If you choose to ignore it, fine, but knock off your penchant for calling everyone a heretic or a pharisee that doesn't agree with you.